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I bought the largest and latest Philips 50" plasma with surround (2 side and top) ambilight based on its specs, features and limited customer reviews. I did not find extensive discussion on it. So owners of this model or whoever interested in it can discuss it here.
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I had it for only 1 day but I had gone through most of it's features. It's my 3rd 50" plasma. I had used two 50" Vizio in the last 1.5 years. So I used exactly same DVD, HD DVD, Satelite and OTA feed to see different screens, and even the programs are same or very similar. My impression is the picture quality of the 50PF9731D is decent but inferrior than that of the cheap new face of Vizio. It's less crispy and a little fuzzy. On fast moving objects and bright object under shadow I can see some mosaic dots or small block. I believe the DCDi technology by Faroudja used on Vizio made the difference. This does bother me (because my pic was downgraded after channing to a new tv), but not very much.

What bugs me is the settings are very high when the pics look really good. e.g. the contrast has to be at 85 and brightness has to be 65 and others are also high. You name it. For a new plasm it shouldn't be that way. If I set them below 50 the picture is way dark and the unnatural and unacceptible. It's well know that if you set the settings too high the tv is wearing faster. For the Vizio I had set the contrast and brightness around 40-45 and the pic still looks good. The Vizio claims its life to be 60000 hours. Philips never say anything about this. I am not sure if Philips has special technology to maintain its plasma at good state if the contras and brightness and other settings have to be set that high.

Most user-unfriendly and stupid remote ever by Philips. If you poll 100 hundred owner majority will hate this remote. I can safely bet I can give out my unit free to anybody if the result is contrary.

I initially had a problem on my unit. When using HDMI 1 input, on the left side of the panel there is one strip about half inch is not filled with picture. I had tried feed from Satelite box and DVD players and it shows always. And I switched both feeds to HDMI 2 and the problem was gone. The problem is with the HDMI 1 connection for sure. It's just like when you use CRT monitor you have to the settings to shift the screen to the left to make it fill in the full screen. it's odd for a plasma tv. Finally I found out that I had to use the cursor to shift it. I don't know if any other plasma has the same issue. My previous two plasma don't.

The good part is its ambilight. Surround with 2 sides and top. You can turn it on and off and set at different mode. I watched the TV at night and it's really nice. I hope all TVs have this feature.

So overall I am really not impressed with Philips 9731D. Maybe I just have a bad unit. I will find out. So for owner please post your experience. I have to decide if I want to keep it.
post #3 of 197
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Originally Posted by 1stHD View Post

I had it for only 1 day but I had gone through most of it's features. It's my 3rd 50" plasma. I had used two 50" Vizio in the last 1.5 years. So I used exactly same DVD, HD DVD, Satelite and OTA feed to see different screens, and even the programs are same or very similar. My impression is the picture quality of the 50PF9731D is decent but inferrior than that of the cheap new face of Vizio. It's less crispy and a little fuzzy. On fast moving objects and bright object under shadow I can see some mosaic dots or small block. I believe the DCDi technology by Faroudja used on Vizio made the difference. This does bother me (because my pic was downgraded after channing to a new tv), but not very much.

My 9631 looks great. Make sure you have the right settings involving DYN CONTRAST, ACTIVE CONTROL, etc. For instance, while most settings are irrelevant, keep ACTIVE CONTROL away from MAX (too dark).

Break-in? Keep Contrast and Brightness under 50, even 40 if you can live with it. 40's is OK, then in a few weeks move it into the 50's, then a few more weeks whatever you want.

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What bugs me is the settings are very high when the pics look really good. e.g. the contrast has to be at 85 and brightness has to be 65 and others are also high. You name it. For a new plasm it shouldn't be that way. If I set them below 50 the picture is way dark and the unnatural and unacceptible.

Yes, but it won't have to be that way. I had my Contrast and Brithness in the 30's -- try that and watching the darker input from a VCR to boot!!

Remember, only change numbers in the PERSONAL setting (leave all the other pre-sets alone). By changing ALL the inputs, you will see you don't need C&B at super-high levels for good pictures. Check out the settings on the 9630 or 9631 threads or in the Philips Tips Sheet.

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It's well know that if you set the settings too high the tv is wearing faster. For the Vizio I had set the contrast and brightness around 40-45 and the pic still looks good. The Vizio claims its life to be 60000 hours. Philips never say anything about this.

Philips is rated at 60,000 hours and my Contrast is at 63 and Brightness at 56.

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I am not sure if Philips has special technology to maintain its plasma at good state if the contras and brightness and other settings have to be set that high.

Even if it loses 1/2 it's brightness at 30,000 hours, do you realize that if you use it 6 hours a day every day that's 15 years of use ??? I'll take HALF of that, trouble free, and then just buy a better set for 1/2 the money or a TV twice as large for a few bucks more !!

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Most user-unfriendly and stupid remote ever by Philips. If you poll 100 hundred owner majority will hate this remote. I can safely bet I can give out my unit free to anybody if the result is contrary.

Um....I'll take the remote. Yeah, at first I didn't like the length and the glassy feel. But after a while, it grows on you. I like it better now than my friend's remotes, and that includes the 9630 which had a cheaper feel to it. I'm not sure what remote the 9731 has but I assume it's close to my 9631.

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I initially had a problem on my unit. When using HDMI 1 input, on the left side of the panel there is one strip about half inch is not filled with picture. I had tried feed from Satelite box and DVD players and it shows always. And I switched both feeds to HDMI 2 and the problem was gone. The problem is with the HDMI 1 connection for sure. It's just like when you use CRT monitor you have to the settings to shift the screen to the left to make it fill in the full screen. it's odd for a plasma tv. Finally I found out that I had to use the cursor to shift it. I don't know if any other plasma has the same issue. My previous two plasma don't.

Could be a problem with HDMI 1 or could just be that particular source input and the way it interacts with HDMI 1. If the round cursor fixed it, I wouldn't worry.

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The good part is its ambilight. Surround with 2 sides and top. You can turn it on and off and set at different mode. I watched the TV at night and it's really nice. I hope all TVs have this feature.

They don't, Philips is the only one. You want backlighlighting, it's D-I-Y. I love Ambilight.

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So overall I am really not impressed with Philips 9731D. Maybe I just have a bad unit. I will find out. So for owner please post your experience. I have to decide if I want to keep it.

I can't post on the 9731 but I have the 9631. Going by the specs I saw online, it looks like yours is the same unit except for 3-sided Ambilight. As I said, I love my 9631. Give it time, play with the set a while, you'll feel more comfortable. If the picture is noticeably 'bad' to your eyes or the HDMI problem is a pest, you can always exchange it.

Feel free to post on other Philips threads, too, since the models are very similar.
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I'm extremely happy with my 50" 9631 too... Huge upgrade from the Vizio 46" LCD I returned...

I've also had none of the picture problems...Could be the set. Mine does HD outstanding, and SD is great with the pixel plus to smooth it out. As I've posted in the other thread, the SD content through digital cable looks almost HD quality... This is an outstanding buy for your money.. Also being that I paid 1999.00 for it..
post #5 of 197
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If I set contrast or brightness below 50 on the 9731D it's too dark. Acceptabel level is about 60. With my old Vizio I could even set them at around 35 and it still looks good. I am not expecting it last 20 years. As long as it has the good picture for 10 years that's more than good enough. I bet most people will upgrade their units in 10 years. BTW, where did you know it's 60000 hour life for philips plasma? I want to know the officially confirmed statement by Philips. Yes the 9731 and 9631 must be same on most parts.

tonight I will completely tweak it with Digital Video caliberation disk and see how it will be.
post #6 of 197
My settings are:

Contrast: 66
Brightness: 53
Color: Cool
Tint: -1
Sharpness: 3
Pixel Plus: On
Dynamic Contrast: Min
Active Control: Min

At least, that's what I can remember...
post #7 of 197
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Scmedic, are those gained by caliberation or by your personal eye experience? Since the whole caliberation process takes long hours I should initially set Dynamic Contrast and Active Control at some level that they won't interfere with the caliberation.
post #8 of 197
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Originally Posted by 1stHD View Post

Scmedic, are those gained by caliberation or by your personal eye experience? Since the whole caliberation process takes long hours I should initially set Dynamic Contrast and Active Control at some level that they won't interfere with the caliberation.

Forget DVE unless you're an expert...you'll never get through the whole disk, and 98% of people will be around the range that most of us ended up with and are posted on the 9630 & 9631 User Threads, plus the Philips Tips Sheet.

Make sure that your setting is on PERSONAL and that the numbers (when you turn on the TV) are the settings you had it set to before (make sure it's not reverting to other settings). Again, make sure ACTIVE CONTROL is not at MAX and check the other settings. Mine are close to SCmedic's......Contrast (63), Brightness (56), and Color (56) do NOT have to be set to that high.

Go through the other PRESETS...see how the TV brightens and darkens, but note that some of the 'brighter' settings don't necessarily have C/B set high? Depends on other settings !
post #9 of 197
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Tonight I saw another occurence of unfilled strips on sides even I had "solved" the problem with cursor at noon. When turned it on to watch NBA at ESPN HD. The right side had the strip unfilled. SO I used the cursor to move it again.To my surprise, both sides had strips unfilled. What I could do? I waited. A few minutes later it filled them automatically. But later it happened again on two sides. So it's on and off. I was focusing on the game so I did not change channel to see if it happened to other channels. I will monitor this.

Tonight I noticed it has electronic buzz on the back. If I muted the sound and sit at 12 feet away I can clearly hear it. If I turn on the sound it's a none issue. Wife is not happy with the noise and its (ugly, she said) appearnce. Even she noticed its picture quality is inferior than our old Vizio 50" plasma.
post #10 of 197
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Originally Posted by 1stHD View Post

Tonight I saw another occurence of unfilled strips on sides even I had "solved" the problem with cursor at noon. When turned it on to watch NBA at ESPN HD. The right side had the strip unfilled. SO I used the cursor to move it again.To my surprise, both sides had strips unfilled. What I could do? I waited. A few minutes later it filled them automatically. But later it happened again on two sides. So it's on and off. I was focusing on the game so I did not change channel to see if it happened to other channels. I will monitor this.

If you have the TV set to AUTOMATIC (on the 9631, when watching HD, only AUTOMATIC and WIDESCREEN formats are available) and it's 'stretching' the picture, it appears that the signal isn't filling the TV. I can't tell (obviousley) if the fault is the TV's (hard to believe) or the signal you are getting (how do you get SD and HD ???).

While watching HD, if you switch between AUTOMATIC and WIDESCREEN the picture should be unaffected (it will shrink to 4:3 on WIDESCREEN if the broadcast is over a HD channel but the cameras are in a 4:3 mode).

The TV should NOT be stretching a HD signal, unless the signal is 'defective' and it's not filling the screen initially. I've never heard of this problem.

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Tonight I noticed it has electronic buzz on the back. If I muted the sound and sit at 12 feet away I can clearly hear it. If I turn on the sound it's a none issue. Wife is not happy with the noise and its (ugly, she said) appearnce. Even she noticed its picture quality is inferior than our old Vizio 50" plasma.

The appearance to me is nice -- I know why your wife likes the Vizio but for viewing purposes, the black bezel (?) of the Philips is actually better (I was originally a thin/silver bezel guy but the Philips bezel grows on you).

As for the noise, you should NOT be hearing it. This alone would cause me to return it and get a new 9731/9631. I can't hear anything from my TV until I get within about 12" from the back of the plasma. If it doesn't fade away, call Philips or the place you bought it at and get an exchange.

You COULD have a model with glitches -- rare, but it happens. First thing to do would be to get another 9731. That's what I'd do.

Keep us posted. It's a great set, don't fret. We'll get it right.
post #11 of 197
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I was using Dish Satelite HD package and never had problem like this when using other plasma. It was set to use widescreen.

My wife does not like the appearance of my old Vizio but at least I can insist its picture is great. For the 9731D she hates the appearance more and also found its pic inferior. What I can say? She want me to buy the old model 7220A in silver color with two speakers on side.
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Summary of picture quality issues with the 50PF9731D/37

1. It seems adjacent pixels are interfering each other or something else exists between pixels. If I look at the screen at close distance I can see this. It's not straight neat vertical and horizontal lines on which the pixels are located. Instead it's blurred rough lines and the overall picture is not crispy but blurred. On my old unit each individual pixel is neatly displayed as tiny dot and all pixels on display formed neat thin vertical and horizontal lines and no interference exists at all. That makes big difference on the picture quality. I think the DCdi technology by Faroudja on the Vizio made the difference.

2. I don't know how to call it correctly so just call it ghost curtain on the screen. Ideally you see the picture but nothing else no matter it's a still picture of moving one. On my screen it's like there is a very thin see-through plastic or glass type curtain with visible painting on it. When the real picture moves the curtain does not so I can see something there. It's like the legit picture layer is moving but the ghost curtain stay. It's definitely not the glass or dust on it. It's some kind of picture display. This type of issue should not happen no matter what setting is on. I had tried almost all kinds of setting and this issue is always there.

3. Occasionally I could see mosaic blocks or strips. This type of issue happened to all display one time or the other. But on the 9731D it seemed to happen more often. I watched same program or even the exact same thing saved on DVR. I believe it's the picture processing on the unit is not with very high quality.

4. The contrast and brightness have to be set nearly 60 to get acceptable picture. Below 50 it's too dark. Given its 10000:1 and 1500 rating this definitely should not be the case. My old units have 10000:1 and 1000 rating and I only need to set them at around 40 to get acceptable picture. The good about the 9731D is its color. It looks richer than my old unit but sometimes it's a little unnatural.

Some of the issues may have to with my eyes. My eyes are more sensitive than most people. E.g. most people's CRT monitor flicker severely to me and they even don't notice the flicker. After they set the refresh rate higher they don't see difference but I do. All display flicker and people won't see it. If you use a camcorder videotape the monitor then and playback you will see it.

It's not just because of my eyes. I don't see the same issue on my old Vizios. And my wife has normal eyes and even she noticed the issues I reported.
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1stHD, what color is your bezel? Is it glossy or matte black?

Thanks
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1stHD, I responded to your posts/problem on the other thread; please keep the issue to 1 thread only so we don't get confused. Thanks !
post #15 of 197
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vpr80, the bezel is glossy black. I really don't know how many people like that and why most manufacturers like to use that. It deflact too much light and causes distraction.

PhilipsPhanatic, I will keep all 9731 post here. I post there because very few people visit and post here. I also want to post here to keep this alive and hope it can grow as more people will have this model. Strangely the 9631 model is 100 more expensive than the 9731 in local store.
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see i personally think it looks sooo much better than the matte one. i know its pretty reflective, but considering that part of buying a plasma is the aesthetics then i think the glossy looks much nicer
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see i personally think it looks sooo much better than the matte one. i know its pretty reflective, but considering that part of buying a plasma is the aesthetics then i think the glossy looks much nicer

I'm surprised that the 9731 has a glossy black bezel; the 9631 has matte black and the two sets are virtually the same except for the 3-sided Ambilight.

I like the way matte black looks. Glossy looks fine too, but I do prefer a bit less light reflection.
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Hope you don't mind me posting here...I just ordered the 9631 as a replacement for the Vizio I have had for a coupla days. The Vizio has DREADFUL image retention....it took 20 seconds of being on one screen for remnants of that screen to be seen when you switched channels. The remnants/ghosting lasted for up to 15 minutes each time...even if that particular still image was up for 20 seconds. The other issue I had with Vizio was horrible False Contouring...no matter how good the source.

The biggest concern I have with going plasma is the fact that I am a big gamer, and I have found plasma's to be too dark for gaming. If you turn the brightness up too much, you are more prone to burn-in and the picture looks a little washed out.

Does anyone have recommended settings for XBOX360/PS3 on this set? I will also try checking out the other Philips forums.

Thanks much....
post #19 of 197
I have a 9731 - just got it Saturday. i would be very appreciative if someone could give me some advice. I have a problem hooking up may components, hopefully someone has a suggestion. My issue: Trying to hook up a HD Cable box (STB) and a XBOX 360 - Both cevices have component and Analog sound outputs (the STB has fiber digital, but that does me no good) the TV only has 2 component inputs but only one has analog sound inputs, there is only a digital coax sound input on the other - the devices i am trying to hook up to the TV dont have HDMI outs or digital audio outs, does anyone know how I can hook up the sound of both the STB and the XBOX to the TV - I dont really want to have a surround sound system on this TV, I am just after a simple direct to the TV hookup with HD Components and audio sound.... seems like it should be simple, please help BTW I am a newbie on this forum - if i am on the wrong thread please direct me to the right one. thanks in advance.

BTW I really like the looks (glossy black) and the picture quality - to help add to this thread regarding settings.... here are my seetings: contrast 75 - Brightness 46 color 46 sharpness 1 (this is unchanged from the out of the box settings )the picture seems great, I also have a glossy black Pioneer, the picture on the Philips isnt as good as the Phillips but its about half the $$. The phillips seems like a great value for the $$. On the remote comments, I had a Philips LCOS - believe it or not the remote on the new Plasma is better than my old LCOS remote (but very similar) so Philips has made improvements I lactually ike the new remote useability and I belive any that uses it will get used to it.
post #20 of 197
buy a digital coaxial to optical converter (or visa versa). Monoprice.com products are numbers 2947 and 2948, for example.
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buy a digital coaxial to optical converter (or visa versa). Monoprice.com products are numbers 2947 and 2948, for example.

Good advice, listen to Mlandau, Sterling !

The only thing I would add is can't you attach the Xbox to the SIDE inputs ??
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BTW I really like the looks (glossy black) and the picture quality - to help add to this thread regarding settings.... here are my seetings: contrast 75 - Brightness 46 color 46 sharpness 1 (this is unchanged from the out of the box settings )the picture seems great,

During breakin, you should have the Contrast and Brightness both under 50. Use some of the breakin settings for PERSONAL from the 9630 or 9631 User Threads or the Philips Tips Sheet. People who breakin properly seem to have fewer problems down the line as the phosphours are 'broken in' properly. This would include NOT using the Xbox for a few weeks, or if you do, limiting gaming and absolutely turning down B & C, even relative to reduced TV settings.

Make sure your settings are maintained in the PERSONAL setting during TV startup. Connecting it various ways and calling that input certain things in the menu may cause the initial default setting to keep popping up (so you'd have non-breakin settings the next time you turn the TV on despite having changed it the previous time).

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I also have a glossy black Pioneer, the picture on the Philips isnt as good as the Phillips but its about half the $$. The phillips seems like a great value for the $$.

No arguments....Pioneer is top-quality and while I love my Philips, the Pioneer's overall seem to have an edge on just about everyone except maybe Runco and Fujitsu. But when cost is taken into account, the Philips (and Panny's) are hard to beat (especially for 1st-time HDTV buyers who just want to enter the world of HDTV)

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On the remote comments, I had a Philips LCOS - believe it or not the remote on the new Plasma is better than my old LCOS remote (but very similar) so Philips has made improvements I lactually ike the new remote useability and I belive any that uses it will get used to it.

How did you like the Philips LCOS? I almost bought one a few years ago but couldn't get one of the discounted ones when they discontinued the series. I thought they gave up on LCoS way too early -- Sony seems to have done it right with 3-way color chips instead of 1-way chips.

As for the remotes, I initially disliked mine but it grows on you after a while. It is kinda solid and heavy so I better not drop it too many times on the marble floor or I'll be scouring Ebay or AVS to buy a used reomote !!
post #23 of 197
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Originally Posted by PhilipsPhanatic View Post

Good advice, listen to Mlandau, Sterling !

The only thing I would add is can't you attach the Xbox to the SIDE inputs ??

Xbox 360 can be attached to the side input via the composite cable in Yellow/Red/White. Do Xbox and 360 use same cable? The one cable for 360 has both sets together.
post #24 of 197
You want to use the 360 with the component cables, as that's the only way you'll get HD out of it...
post #25 of 197
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Xbox 360 can be attached to the side input via the composite cable in Yellow/Red/White. Do Xbox and 360 use same cable? The one cable for 360 has both sets together.

You can use a single RCA jack, multiple jacks, or component. I just suggested using single or multiple RCA using SIDE because he was strapped for inputs.

Using HDMI down the line will free up 'space.'
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That's right. The side input is just for some convenient connecting activities. Composite is the worst connection.
post #27 of 197
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That's right. The side input is just for some convenient connecting activities. Composite is the worst connection.

If the set is new, you shouldn't be heavy gaming that much so use the SIDE inputs initially and get familiar with the set. You can goto better connections in a month or two when you get HDMI cables and also are more familiar with all the features.

That's what I'd do.
post #28 of 197
Brought my 9731 home yesterday... sweet sweet plasma goodness. Cheated for the first few hours and just used the 'Natural' setting but I plan to reduce C/B today. Like asking someone to drive their new Porsche under 55 the first 1000 miles to breakin the engine... you gotta get some immediate gratification.

Anyway, got it temporarily sitting on a table but I ultimately need to wallmount this badboy. Anyone recommend a bracket that you are using (preferably for less than a bazillion dollars)? I swear the markup on those things is crazy. I think I'm leaning towards the Peerless Universal on Amazon but it's still pushing 3 digits in cost. Any advice is appreciated...
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Brought my 9731 home yesterday... sweet sweet plasma goodness. Cheated for the first few hours and just used the 'Natural' setting but I plan to reduce C/B today. Like asking someone to drive their new Porsche under 55 the first 1000 miles to breakin the engine... you gotta get some immediate gratification.

I wouldn't mind 'cheating' during the NFL games or something else that's important, but I would raise the numbers in the PERSONAL setting rather than use the other presets (and that goes for post-breakin, too). The other presets are just TOO HIGH and are what I call 'idiot presets.' Even if you find watching something too dark/difficult with the C & B set in the 30's/40's/low 50's -- why go all the way to the 80's or 100 when just raising the numbers 10-20 will do fine ?

And those C&B's are set higher because the other settings (DNR, AC, Color, etc) are also set to extremes. So one extreme necessitates another and then you're running C&B above 80 and then wondering why you have BI or IR.

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Anyway, got it temporarily sitting on a table but I ultimately need to wallmount this badboy. Anyone recommend a bracket that you are using (preferably for less than a bazillion dollars)? I swear the markup on those things is crazy. I think I'm leaning towards the Peerless Universal on Amazon but it's still pushing 3 digits in cost. Any advice is appreciated...

Haven't done it myself, should be others setups on the 9630 and 9631 threads. Get a good mount that you can 'grow' into, just don't mount it as cheaply as possible. Give yourself options down the line (flex mount, telescoping mount, etc).
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Originally Posted by comfortable1 View Post

Brought my 9731 home yesterday... sweet sweet plasma goodness. Cheated for the first few hours and just used the 'Natural' setting but I plan to reduce C/B today. Like asking someone to drive their new Porsche under 55 the first 1000 miles to breakin the engine... you gotta get some immediate gratification.

Anyway, got it temporarily sitting on a table but I ultimately need to wallmount this badboy. Anyone recommend a bracket that you are using (preferably for less than a bazillion dollars)? I swear the markup on those things is crazy. I think I'm leaning towards the Peerless Universal on Amazon but it's still pushing 3 digits in cost. Any advice is appreciated...

why don't you try www.racksandstands.com , they have sanus, peerless and many more to chose from, with great pricing and service.
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