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post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
Has any one used this , and is it any good .
I am sick of waiting for my moome card (5 months now)

http://cgi.*********/HDMI-to-VGA-RGB...QQcmdZViewItem


item # 320067891492
post #2 of 26
sweetness:

post the fleabay auction #instead -- link doesn't come up thru avs.

Gracias,

M
post #3 of 26
If it is on eBay, I know the one you are talking about. It is made by a british company and I have not tested it nor do I know anyone that has critically evaluated it. I do know that it essentially works--I just don't know the quality.

From testing every DVI device out there, I know there is variations in quality even among ones that use the same chipset, so there is no telling how good this one is.

I've send the company 4 emails now asking questions about it including verification of some specs and HDCP keys they are using (dev vs. licenced, etc). For some reason, they will not answer my emails.

So, I can tell you I know it works, just can't tell you how well.

Dave
post #4 of 26
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Originally Posted by Marshall F View Post

sweetness:

Uh, that's "sweetchuck" unless you guys got something going I don't know about.

Dave
post #5 of 26
Nice.

I didn't see something like this before.

I wish someone would review it.

And,.. I wish I could afford it.

I guess it's time to organize a fund raiser here, I want to get some HDMI stuff going on in my HT.

-Brian
post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post

I wish someone would review it.

If someone wants to loan me one, I'll compare it to all the other current and past DVI solutions.

Dave
post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by Person99 View Post

Uh, that's "sweetchuck" unless you guys got something going I don't know about.

Dave

No, sorry. Just a big Walter Payton fan.
post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by Person99 View Post

If it is on eBay, I know the one you are talking about. It is made by a british company and I have not tested it nor do I know anyone that has critically evaluated it. I do know that it essentially works--I just don't know the quality.

From testing every DVI device out there, I know there is variations in quality even among ones that use the same chipset, so there is no telling how good this one is.

I've send the company 4 emails now asking questions about it including verification of some specs and HDCP keys they are using (dev vs. licenced, etc). For some reason, they will not answer my emails.

So, I can tell you I know it works, just can't tell you how well.

Dave

Dave...the auction reads to me that it performs HDCP stripping or am I not understanding it right? The word bypass is used loosely...for a reason I suspect.

"This unit will bypass the HDCP algorithms in the conversion process without degrading signal or resolution quality. We do not condone the use of this product for the duplication of copyrighted material."

Yeah it's pricey for a device that hasn't undergone a hard core independent review.
post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by JustGreg View Post

Dave...the auction reads to me that it performs HDCP stripping or am I not understanding it right? The word bypass is used loosely...for a reason I suspect.

"This unit will bypass the HDCP algorithms in the conversion process without degrading signal or resolution quality. We do not condone the use of this product for the duplication of copyrighted material."

Yeah it's pricey for a device that hasn't undergone a hard core independent review.

I don't like to call it "stripping" because that only make sense if the input and the output are digital. Analog cannot have HDCP, so it is really not stripped. But yes, if the input signal is HDCP it does work and I've had 3rd party verification of this.

Dave
post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 
Maybe I should get it and test it , someone has to do it hey !!
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by Person99 View Post

If someone wants to loan me one, I'll compare it to all the other current and past DVI solutions.

Dave

Dave have you ever tested Moonjongs converter ?

Tom
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by dominical2 View Post

Dave have you ever tested Moonjongs converter ?

Tom

Sorry, I forgot to reply to your PM.

No I've not although it has received good reviews for you and others. His occupied a weird space in my mind. It was not just a DVI transcoder, but an SDI and DVI scaler and transcoder.

But it was priced too high for what it did in my mind.

You need a switch to use his with more than one DVI source. And for component sources (for instance a JVC 30K), you needed a seperate transcoder for that and then either a second input on the PJ or another switch after his box (a DVI switch before his box and a RGBHV switch after his and a component transcoder--ugh!)! If using a barco then you've only got one good input, so switching in the PJ is not an option as it might be with other PJs.

If his were closer to $600 or so, I probably would have seriously considered it back in the day. But, now that over 70% of what I watch is HD and Kim's does a good job with that, and upconverting DVD players have scaling as good as his (many using the same or newer version of the chip he uses) I just don't see a play for it.

I either want every single task relagated to a seperate components for maximum configurablity or I want an all in one solution. His was in the middle. A "some in one" solution.

My two cents.

Dave
post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by JustGreg View Post

Dave...the auction reads to me that it performs HDCP stripping or am I not understanding it right? The word bypass is used loosely...for a reason I suspect.

Perhaps this is just a sematic thing. Yes, it does what you want.

My point is that you can't correctly say it "strips". It is a digital to analog converter. There is no HDCP on analog. A stripper is some of the DVI to DVI switches that actually "stripped the HDCP from the digital signal--digital HDCP encrypted in, digital unencrypted out. This is "stripping". Basically all the box does is unencrypt the signal then send it out as is.

My point is that when doing a digital -> RGBHV conversion, it is more appropriate to say that it continues to function in the presence of an HDCP encrypted signal or it does not. There is no "stripping" going on per se. The boxes unencrypt the signal, then perform a digital conversion(if required), then transcode from digital to analog.

Dave
post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by sweetchuck View Post

Has any one used this , and is it any good .
I am sick of waiting for my moome card (5 months now)

http://cgi.*********/HDMI-to-VGA-RGB...QQcmdZViewItem


item # 320067891492


can you email me your order informaiotn to moome@seed.net.tw ?
so i can check, i sometimes lost mail or got invaild email address.
so there might be a problem!
post #15 of 26
Hey,

One big difference between this product and Moome's products is with his the signals remain digital until they couple directly to the pj processing circuits. (Thus a link the the chain is spared and that's pretty significant I would think.)

-Brian
post #16 of 26
I can't offer any opinion on this device but I wish I had gotten item # 320058177641
from this same seller as it now appears it is no longer carried. Has anyone used this (320058177641) device? I believe it was also an HDCP stripper (although it did not expressly say so). I am getting an 8300HD (Hi Def Cable box PVR) but it is HDCP and my projector (Canon SX50 with DVI without HDCP) so I need some kind of solution here. I would rather use the DVI but will use the VGA connector as a last resort (and was considering the item mentioned by the OP)
post #17 of 26
I bought the DVI to VGA/RGBHV unit made by them. It does the job fine for me. I use it to run a Panasonic S52 upconverter DVD player to my G70. I use a HDMI to DVI cable to connect to the little box then it goes to the projector. I expect it would work just as well if I buy a HDDVD player. I do have to change the BNC connectors to the projector anytime I want to use it, instead of the BNCs from my Samsung HD360 OTA receiver. But the 20 seconds it takes doesn't bother me. The audio is run from the S52 right to the inputs on my Pioneer receiver. I only paid $100 including shipping.
post #18 of 26
I have the vga rgb component version of this unit
It won't take a 480 i signal very well...everything is just not sharp
Excellent 1080i
With 720 p I can not read the on screen menu,it is completely unsynced
It will take and give any rgb,vga,component signal well but my nec does not like it
When hooked up to my sony the same signal is about two feet larger and seems to be wider than Ive ever seen the old 1252 go
Overall a good buy but mainly made for lcd dlp
There are input adjustment called clock and phase which both widen the screen center and the edges but the crt can see the parts that it stretches and they aren't as crystal sharp as the rest of the image
It took me several attempts to get them set right
If you build up static electricity and touch your cable box ,the resulting shock makes the scaler put up a blue tone,kinda like hooking component to an rgb out.
Full pic just blue instead of green
The issues I have about it are offset by a nice image after a lot of work and the cost of the unit
I don't know if I'd buy another but I know I won't sell it anytime soon
Pm me and I'll try to find my manual and send you the pages so you can make your decision
I bet if I had a lcd I would be very happy with it
GO HAWKS....well maybe next year
post #19 of 26
I've been looking for a HDMI to Component transcoder so I can connect hi-def sources to my Sharp XVZ9000. This looks like just the thing, but I was hoping that moome would build one soon. Anyone have any thoughts on whether I should wait for moome, or go in for one of these?
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by GO SEAHAWKS View Post

I have the vga rgb component version of this unit

I don't understand this. Could you tell me the inputs and outputs of your version?

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Originally Posted by GO SEAHAWKS View Post

Excellent 1080i

What did you compare it to?

Thanks,
Dave
post #21 of 26
We just came out with our new v6 for Barco . This allows each EDID to be custom programmed for each BARCO. The customers who got them all wanted custom firmware's so they would work well with there equipment. So we have been making special firmwares and making it more refined. We can also Upscale the play station now where it was not possible by fooling the Video Card internally at 1080p to allow older CRT projectors without high scan rates to play 1080P direct digital. The picture is quite amazing and it does not require a scaler.

Lumagen Scaler EDIDs
Custom Play station now ready.
HDCP handshake correction for some new Blueray and HD-DVD.

800
808
1208
1209
1209s ( Helps width issue)
Cine9
909
( all have custom firmware now ready)

Each projector requires a custom width gamma etc. This new V6 is sharper than V1-5 because it has a more advanced amp stage with higher BW right into the video chain of the projector. We highly recommend this over external solutions because the External boxes tend to blur the image. Even with 3 foot very high quality cables we see the issue.

We also have special firmware for European standards.

We only make DVI cards only for BARCO units at this point. We guarantee also the best picture out any external card or internal. So far to date we have tested every external box and they have all failed.

We have a very special custom for Electrohome however it is costly because it has to be custom made.

Greg
post #22 of 26
He's baaaaaaaaack and advertising again with reckless abandon.
post #23 of 26
I don't mind that at all, I just wish he had a lower price and Iwould fix up my 1209 Barco. But in all fairness to Geisemann, one probably gets what they pay for.
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by JCP1740 View Post

I bought the DVI to VGA/RGBHV unit made by them. ........... I only paid $100 including shipping.

-Message to geisemann (or anyone else for that matter): If you can doctor up my port 3 card with DVI/HDMI for that kind of money I will order from you today.
post #25 of 26
Yeah,

I want one of those $100 ones for my Sony but only if it's up to snuff with the more expensive stuff.

-Brian
post #26 of 26
Well,

We re-engineer the entire font end of the projector to resolve the 1080p.

We bypass the entire amp section of port 3 but place the DVI/HDMI chip on it.

Then we upgrade the port 3 switcher card with a very high BW amp stage on port 3 only.

If you order the High BW option for port 5 we upgrade that section as well. However most people when then get the DVI they stick with it as it provides a cleaner interface. The DVI tends to much sharper as you dont get any noise from cables or interference because its straight digital. We have tested all the external transcoders and they are all horrable. They have excessive ring, lack of Bandwidth and very muddy images with week color. We recommend RGBVH over external transcoders becaues of the issues we see assoicated with them.

I would rate in order of picture quality

#1 Internal DVI with custom BW upgrade
#2 RGBVH
#3 External Transcoders

One item that scares our customers is the DVI compadibility with all the new devices and we have had to write custom firmware for the PS3, some scallers and HD-DVD.

So you have to tell us what source you have to get the correct firmware to work best. The Gama, Screen width, and other factors are considered to get rid of banding assoicated with Barco units.

You can just do the DVI and do the full 7 board mod set at a later date. We will give you a 50% credit on the mod set if you get the DVI now.

Greg
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