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post #31 of 115
As I've heard it the alternate audio on Crank was created because the film was co-financed by a TV network, and the "family friendly" version was basically created to do less work for when the TV version comes out. I imagine the TV version will have to be edited for more than just a couple naughty words though.

As far as Sony/Blu-Ray openly refusing to support hardcore content, I can say I'm more than a bit disgusted. I've never actually bought any "mainstream" porn, but I own plenty of animation, cult and horror films with their fair share or adult content, and plan to continue buying it on whatever format is actually going to allow me to. If Don May says we'll get Thriller: A Cruel Picture on HD DVD then I'll need to buy it on HD DVD.

I do agree that HD porn isn't going to make that much of an impact when in this day and age you can download more porn for free than any one person could watch in a lifetime, but it will matter to people that the format itself supports censorship and is unwilling to release "controversial" titles.

Besides, call me crazy, but the majority of those makeup caked and stretch marked hags the industry calls "porn stars" were scary enough on VHS... tell me world, do you really want to count the individual hairs on Ron Jeremy's back in HD?
post #32 of 115
I just think this points out that BD isn't going to be friendly to the small studios, at least for awhile. Sony is maxing out its manufacturing capacity for BD disc (limited capacity that must be shared between games, movies, and apparently audio discs now). When these smaller studios (porn, low budget, or independent films) want a BD disc made, Sony just tells them they will have to wait (for SPiderman 2, Pirates 2, or the next Final Fantasy game). The problem will just get worse if BD really does try to push 500 exclusive films this year.

SO what are these small studios to do? They can either wait, or they can turn to HD-DVD, which has the capacity to crank out anything brought to them (since they can be made on regular DVD lines). I think in the next few months, HD-DVD will start become the defacto standard for any porn/cult/indy studio. BD might not think that matters, but fans of these generes will buy players for these films, and since they have the player, they will end up buying big studio releases too. This can only help HD-DVD.

So what will the
post #33 of 115
Just another nail in the Blu-ray coffin.
post #34 of 115
I will admit I have been waiting for adult content to come out on HD optical discs for some time since the SD stuff sometimes just doesnt look that good blown up onto a big screen. Sometimes it looks really good, but nevertheless more pixels helps a lot. Whichever format delivers it, I will buy.

I already have a large collection of this stuff. BD-No HD Porn-No BD Purchase For Me! Period. End Of Story.
post #35 of 115
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Originally Posted by wreckshop View Post

well obviously Sony feels providing replication services for porn vendors would tarnish its image and damage its reputation. I'd agree. Porn may make a lot of money, but families buy Sony stuff. If it got out in the press: "Sony makes discs for new blu-ray hi-def porno movies" that could be a PR disaster.

OMG...bwahahahahahahahahahaha...This would tarnish their image??? Considering all the other proven and documented anti consumer antics, why in the world would this bother them?
post #36 of 115
You know, I have been trying to be format neutral during the first year of the "war". Quietly waiting it out to see which format would take the field, but a post above hit home. Sony has a past of secretly "rooting" through our privet computers and strong arming the "little guy" studios. I can see them, if they win, do the very thing that killed Divixx, the pay to play. That thought alone sent shivers up my spine, add to that, the $4.8 Billion a year adult industry being "dropped" goes to show they will only author content "They" find appropriate. As stated above, it is a business decision and not a constitutional one but IMHO it is a bad decision. I believe it is time for me to pick a side and my $$$ choice is HD-DVD.

Cheers,
Jeff
post #37 of 115
Lol this is so funny it hurts. It's poor business dicisons like this from Sony/BDA that have, and will allow HD DVD to take the lead. I can't wait until the gaming industry gets wind of this story. The hardcore gamming market (which PS3 is targeting) realy does not like the idea of forced censorship.

Also WickyWoo, comments like the below prove you don't know what you're talking about:

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We've got games, movies and blanks to press, and we're in the middle of a big push

No one presses blank discs.
post #38 of 115
Does this apply to the Japanese porn that's already on blu-ray?
post #39 of 115
[quote]

If I own a magazine stand and decide to not stock Maxim magazine... that's my right. If I own a Wal-mart and decide to not stock x-rated movies or dildos or even potato chips, that's my right. And people have the right to go to another establishment where they can buy their Maxim, dildos, and chips. Nothing's been 'censored' here -- it's a free market.




I agree with the statement 100% but you should not be able to control who makes that stuff if you don't want to sell it.
post #40 of 115
Oh man... the jokes on the internet are already starting, early adopters being left with Blu-Balls, and the need for a new Goo-Ray standard... :\\

-pd
post #41 of 115
Porn is mainstream product; people don't leave media lying around on their coffee table for the kiddies to find, but they do pop a disc into their bedroom player with some regularity. I'd be shocked if the vast majority of adults who frequent this forum don't own at least a few titles on DVD. In view of this, it seems like an incredibly boneheaded decision if these CEs expect us to upgrade.
post #42 of 115
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Originally Posted by lostsoldier View Post

Does this apply to the Japanese porn that's already on blu-ray?

I thought those were pretty soft-core, no?

Actually, how many BD Japanese soft-core titles are there?
post #43 of 115
An interesting article in Tom's Hardware Guide:

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/11/ce...hddvd_blu_ray/

Even without Sony's moratorium on its content, the adult industry is shunning BD due to the economics of production (or would that be reproduction? )
post #44 of 115
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Originally Posted by bboisvert View Post

If Sony/BDA/whatever decides that porn doesn't belong on BD, then porn won't be on BD. Porn connoisseurs can turn to HD DVD, DVD, the Internet, or a varieity of other venues. It's a private business decision, not a constitutional issue.

Not so simple.

Let us assume, BD becomes the dominant format. Then, if they decide to disallow porn ... they can get into trouble.
post #45 of 115
Thread Starter 
so if this action is not deemed 'censorship' like, what about promoting discrimination? Descrimination against the whole of the adult industry and people who are involved in this industry?
post #46 of 115
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Originally Posted by xboxboi View Post

so if this action is not deemed 'censorship' like, what about promoting discrimination? Descrimination against the whole of the adult industry and people who are involved in this industry?

The people in the adult industry are not a protected class. It isn't 'discrimination'. You don't have an inaliable right to be released on blu-ray.
post #47 of 115
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Originally Posted by xboxboi View Post

so if this action is not deemed 'censorship' like, what about promoting discrimination? Descrimination against the whole of the adult industry and people who are involved in this industry?

Censorship in the public by private companies is the norm. As I indicated if and only if BD becomes a dominant format can the adult industry really complain to FTC (ofcourse they can complain now, but that won't have any teeth).

Afterall you don't see adult industry content being broadcast on all channels, do you ?
post #48 of 115
All this means is that those who want porn will buy one of those cheap Chinese HD DVD players and watch everything else on their BD player. The BD player will be the kiddies player and the HD DVD player the adult player. Will porn sell on Amazon.com? If not, how will we know who is really is selling the most software? I guess all those BD fanboys were right and HD DVD really does suck!

Cheers,

Grant
post #49 of 115
paidgeek (who works for Sony) says:

"Sony replication will not handle pornographic product and I think many of other major replicators have similar policies. Nothing more than that."

I read this as confirmation of the claims by porn producers that they cannot get their discs replicated on Blu-ray, because Sony and other major disc replication companies just refuse to do it. He seems to indicate there is no threatening going on here, and in truth I would not have expected Sony to threaten to revoke licences for replicating porn either. Nonetheless, the end result is the same and porn companies just can't get their discs produced on Blu-ray at this time, and some are jumping ship and going to HD DVD.

It will be interesting to see what Vivid does, as they were supposed to release porn discs on Blu-ray relatively soon.
post #50 of 115
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Originally Posted by wreckshop View Post

Oh please. there are TONS of Sony-haters that would love to broadcast to the whole world on their blogs/websites any insignificant error (perceived or real) that Sony makes.

If Sony was to start replicating disks for porn, the headlines on the inquirer, kotaku, joystiq, etc. would be "OMG SONY MAKES HI DEF PORN" or some stupid sensationalized crap like that.

Have you seen any HD DVD hater doing such regarding porn?
No.
post #51 of 115
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Originally Posted by wreckshop View Post

well obviously Sony feels providing replication services for porn vendors would tarnish its image and damage its reputation. I'd agree. Porn may make a lot of money, but families buy Sony stuff. If it got out in the press: "Sony makes discs for new blu-ray hi-def porno movies" that could be a PR disaster.

Families buy the majority of porn. It's not some pimple faced geek thats buying 4.5 billion dollars worth of product a year. He's the one downloading it from the internet for free.

Sony is saying that people who watch porn are not the kind of people they want associated with their products. Fine by me. I will not be buying their product anyway but this will upset a lot of folks out there. Moral judgement is a very dangerous stance for a company to make.
post #52 of 115
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Originally Posted by wreckshop View Post

Oh please. there are TONS of Sony-haters that would love to broadcast to the whole world on their blogs/websites any insignificant error (perceived or real) that Sony makes.

If Sony was to start replicating disks for porn, the headlines on the inquirer, kotaku, joystiq, etc. would be "OMG SONY MAKES HI DEF PORN" or some stupid sensationalized crap like that.

There is a big difference in producing porn and just pressing the disks. No one cares who presses the damn disk.
post #53 of 115
LOL Did someone actually post "dildos and chips" up there??


ROFLMAO!!!!!
post #54 of 115
I remember a story about a hotel that accidently had a porno playing where a regular (maybe even a kid's movie) was supposed to be playing on the TVs in people's rooms. They got some calls complaining about it, so they turned it off. Then they got more calls complaining about the porno being turned off.

Anyway, any replicator doing regular movies and porn would have to be extremely careful not to ever mix things up.

--Darin
post #55 of 115
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

I remember a story about a hotel that accidently had a porno playing where a regular (maybe even a kid's movie) was supposed to be playing on the TVs in people's rooms. They got some calls complaining about it, so they turned it off. Then they got more calls complaining about the porno being turned off.

Anyway, any replicator doing regular movies and porn would have to be extremely careful not to ever mix things up.

--Darin

post #56 of 115
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Originally Posted by trgraphics View Post

Families buy the majority of porn. It's not some pimple faced geek thats buying 4.5 billion dollars worth of product a year. He's the one downloading it from the internet for free.

Got ANY proof that families buy the majority of porn? When I'm talking about families, I mean, Mom, Dad, kids, dog.


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Sony is saying that people who watch porn are not the kind of people they want associated with their products. Fine by me. I will not be buying their product anyway but this will upset a lot of folks out there. Moral judgement is a very dangerous stance for a company to make.

Hmm... guess you don't support Disney either then.
post #57 of 115
since when was disney in the hardware business?
post #58 of 115
I think there is a lot of misinformation going around about this subject.....

The bottom line is:

Only a handful of replicators can produce BD-Roms, and they are the big boys that have "no porn replication onsite" contracts with the movie studios (remember the disney incident).

BTW, you can buy Wicked's "Camp Cuddly Pines" (720p VC1) on HD DVD right now (Fry's has it)
post #59 of 115
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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

I think there is a lot of misinformation going around about this subject.....

The bottom line is:

Only a handful of replicators can produce BD-Roms, and they are the big boys that have "no porn replication onsite" contracts with the movie studios (remember the disney incident).

BTW, you can buy Wicked's "Camp Cuddly Pines" (720p VC1) on HD DVD right now (Fry's has it)

What was the Disney incident?
post #60 of 115
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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

I think there is a lot of misinformation going around about this subject.....

The bottom line is:

Only a handful of replicators can produce BD-Roms, and they are the big boys that have "no porn replication onsite" contracts with the movie studios (remember the disney incident).

BTW, you can buy Wicked's "Camp Cuddly Pines" (720p VC1) on HD DVD right now (Fry's has it)

How much is it?
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