Sony confirms BD will allow movie copying to laptops/other devices!

Really? I though if you copied your home movies to blu-ray disks, Sony owned your movies.

I'm not sure how this would work, but it sounds pretty similar to the Managed Copy function of HD-DVD. Either way, though, you can be sure that the resulting copy will ber personally identifiable to you (which is reasonable; managed copy is about allowing the consumer to exercise his fair use rights, not about piracy).

Isn't that Managed Copy? Or is BD going to introduce it's own variant?

Gary

Managed copy has always been an optional feature of BR. It's required for HD-DVD.

More than likely the files are encrypted, and are tagged with your player key when you copy them out. Then if they find you uploading them, your butt gets blacklisted

I wouldn't be shocked if they charged you a few bucks either.

See, I've never liked this answer, MC is supposed to be a mandatory part of AACS, and since BD uses AACS, should be mandatory on BD as well as HD DVD.

I also don't like the idea that it appears to be on a disc-by-disc basis (ie "we'll add it to movies later") and that ""It's not currently part of anything on our current release schedule,"

That just doesn't give me a warm-fuzzy.

It's optional because the studios don't like their stuff being in a copyable digital form period. Managed copy is required for HD DECKS, not for each and every disc. What you're going to see is an iPod/PSP version on the disc that will be unlocked somehow, probably through a decryption program and online activation.

Once one company does it with success, more will do it. I thinkSony would really like to save money on bandwidth, and getting people to buy both versions. After all, wouldn't you pay $1.99 to unlock it rather than $10 from iTunes? (let's pretend ripping will never be an option)

I'm well aware of that, but that's not the issue.


No, MC was supposed to be Mandatory per AACS, ie we were supposed to be able to make an MC of any disc. This is the whole issue of MC vs MMC.

I also believe it was the other way around, that players were not required to provide a means to MC, but that if you had a player that could, you could make an MC of any disc.


I don't have any interest in a crapified PSP version. I'm only interested in 1:1 perfect copy for my Media Server.

If they won't provide me a way to do that, they can shove it. I will not purchase a movie I can't make a copy of. If I can't make a copy, I don't own it, and I'm not going to "purchase" something I don't own.

That's not goign to happen. Ever.

Is it that hard to change discs? Maybe you should buy one of those 200 disc changers.....

I wonder if they got Blu-Ray association permission before saying that, I doubt Fox is happy about this.

THIS IS NOT MANAGED COPY

IT IS MUCH MUCH WORSE!!!!

Sony is talking about also placing on the disc a digital version of the film. This would be precompressed to a smaller size for playing on something like a video iPod. Issues are:

1) It will be HEAVILY DRMed by Sony!!! Remember Sony's capabilities in DRM - I thought you might.
2) It will be at whatever size/compression ratio that they determine.
3) It will only be possible to read this file with an appropriate Sony BD-ROM drive (which supports this new DRM).

This is not in reponse to MANAGED COPY but to the fact that HD-DVDs are now shipping new titles with standard DVDs on the other side (something BD can't do) as they SD discs are quite useful to those looking to move the movie on to their portable video player.

Sooner or later someone will make a software program to rip them, and you should feel free to use said program, because you hav a legal right to. Just don't go around uploading them to the internet.

It's a good business idea to put PSP/video ipod version on, although I'll just continue to use software that rips my DVDs and turns them into the appropriate format for my ipod (I will never, EVER, pay for a movie twice unless I am getting few features/content, not to use it on a different machine).

This is the end of movies on UMD. BD discs will be the new way of distributing movies for PSP.

They just added a market for BD discs. And they are a lot cheaper anyway. And the PSP user is encouraged to get a PS/3.

Gary

Who really are you ? Tell us what your background is ... what industry you work in (not the company, mind you).

It seems you are not aware of all the (M)MC issues that have been discussed over several months. Search ....

This was the thinking for a while, but based on more recent comments I have gotten the impression that MC will be basically the same on both formats, if we ever get it. Is your statement above just your impression, or do you know it to be the case for a fact?

--Darin

He even think HDCP should be implemented in the add-on drive...

WickyWoo is on a crusade to save all from the evil FUD being spread by HD-DVD supporters, he just doesn't like lies and all... so everything he says is the truth

Cheers...
Duy-Khang Hoang

Amir has confirmed that MC is to be mandatory per AACS, and that it should be the same (licensing wise) on both HD DVD and BD.

I'm not typing it out again. Do a search. Besides, I doubt if after you've asked this twice and gotten the same response. Notthat you would believe anything I told you anyway. Because the secrets of Hollywood are really decided here in Philly, where they import all the film crews from NYC and it's virtually impossible to get on any production that comes here outside of extras construction and food service work because of it


It's optional on the hardware. In other words, you can't plug your iPod into the USB port on your BR player (assuming there will be one with one), and necessarily be guaranteed the ability to download said copy from disc to iPod.

I searched and didn't find. Afterall for a newbie you are a prolific poster

Besides, if you write statements of opinions as if they are fact, then I'm going to ask such questions.

So, your reply is, that you don't actually know any insider info, but just try to pretend you know. Otherwise you wouldn't be writing things like "That's not goign to happen. Ever."

I believe WickyWoo has stated without hesitation (as if he knew) that BD-25 costs $1.50 to produce, and BD-50 costs additional $0.50 ea. At that point, well, frankly I stopped listening...it's so ridiculous that I did not know what to say. Sounds like I'm catching a January viral infection....

Ah yes...here it is...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9131225


Which is why adult video companies interviewed say that BD is way too expensive and way more than HD DVD.

Way to back up the facts there Wicky.

Yep. Stop the BS or give a link to the source ...

Or I just did a quick google:

http://www.proactionmedia.com/blu-ray_replication.htm

$1.99 for lots of 5000 for BD-25. We can assume the studios get closer to the $1.49 price listed for 100,000. This after all is not a contract based facility but designed for one-offs(another $0.62 for a case).

No, I didn't state that as a fact. I said it was CLOSER to $1.50. You can get standard DVD for about $1.20 in lots of 5000, so it's going to add a premium. A BD-ROM is not materially different from a DVD in terms of how it's constructed. A DVD-9 is $0.21 more, so let's just say $0.50.


Or I could just go by the umpteen statements in the media, the columns, the article etc published over the past few years about how they don't want people ripping their discs. Why else would they be moving to provide you with a portable version? To rip their discs, or even to recompress them involves copying, and they don't want you doing that in any way shape or form. I don't know how they could be any clearer on that topic.


If you want to find it, then search and read all my posts until you find it. I'm not typing out the exhaustive details of my background again simply because you're positive I'm some plant from the enemy. check your private messages.

Let us se ...


What part of the above says, it was your estimation or guess ? How do you "know" bd-50 is atmost 50cents more ... ?



Why don't you try reading about MMC.


Thanks.

Had you actually read my post......

CLOSER indicates an approximate range, not an exact figure. Since no one actually has public rates for BD-50 yet, we can only use DVD-9 as a guideline. So since BD-25 is only about $0.30 more than DVD-5, once can logically deduce that since it is a mere $0.21 increase for DVD-9, and since gluing together 2 layers is pretty much the same thing no matter what you're doing, that it would be no more than $0.50

Simple deduction

I highly doubt this will actually ever happen. Sony can say all sorts of cool stuff will happen with blu-ray in the future, but when push comes to shove, the blu-ray consortium will kill it. Sony loves to sell potential, and not actual functions you can use today, or ever. If there is a digital copy it will be some horribly crippled DRM version for the psp that can only use Sony brand memory sticks or some nonsense.

Considering that the yields on the BD50s were very poor early on, then wouldn't that mean there is more to the process then what you just described? Just curious.