Sales Rank: PS3 BD remote / 360 HD DVD

Wow that is an excellent point.

That ranking is still not totally doing the PS3 justice since there are a lot of people who are perfectly happy using the SIXAXIS for DB playback.

A $200 HD-DVD attachment and a $25 remote are different types of products. One is cheap-enough to be almost considered an impulse buy, the other a little pricier (and thus least likely to be purchased on a whim) piece of electronic equipment. Hell, I don't own a PS3 yet (will pull the trigger when there's more than one game worth buying) and if I came across a PS3 remote I'd probably buy it knowing they're hard to come by in stores.

HDDVD supporter to the rescue. Nice spin.

Exactly!! Also, at this point I doubt anyone would blow $25 on the remote just to play DVDs since they probably already have at least 2 DVD players in the house.

As a BD supporter, I will say it doesn't make sense to compare these two because of the price difference.

I agree that people aren't buying the remote as an impulse - if you buy that remote, you're planning on watching movies. But the question is - what kind of movies?

As one poster pointed out, purchasing the remote may mean you're watching standard DVDs or Blu-ray movies - there's no real way to tell. Anyone buying the XBox HD DVD drive is watching HD DVDs - period.

You can't compare the two, as much as some Blu-ray fans would like to. Be honest with yourself, and you'll come to the same conclusion.

I am a Bd supporter too but it really seems like some of these "rah rah" cheerleader posts are almost asking for trouble....
We all hate the trolls yet this is nothing but bait, I think

The funny thing is though on this forum the Blu-ray "rah rah cheerleader" posts are closed but the HDDVD "rah rah cheerleader" posts are left up.

I know when the xbox first came out they used sales of the remote to gauge interest in dvd play back on the console.

I use my PS3 primarily to play BD's, and my son uses it to play games when I am not around. I have been putting off buying the remote until I can find one in a local store.

I wish I had had a 55" plasma TV with a gaming system and 1410 watt audio system connected to it when I was 14 years old!

That's me! That's me! I love the fact that the Sixaxis (sorry don't like the all caps, too much like shouting) is designed to be a game controller and as such I can easily find the buttons in the dark.

But I agree with others about the price difference--you need a much stronger desire to watch high-def movies to purchase the HD DVD add-on than the BD remote. It probably shows that PS3 is successful in getting a lot of people at least interested in BD, though. Many people who bought PS3 are "trying out" the BD playback, and are pleased enough to buy the remote thinking they'll watch many more. Whether that commitment lasts or not is anyone's guess.

interesting find
gandalf

Very true, twinturbo. Also the BD and PS3 bashathons stay open as well....

Yep, it's true. The "Ps3 sales disappoint in Japan" thread can stay open with loads of exaggeration and outright misinformation, (some Yahoo there is comparing the $299 core to the $599 Ps3 as equal. hmmm, there is also, a $499 PS3 and the core has no hard drive, you know to save games on and download stuff etc... and no HD disc playback capability, no HDMI, no next gen audio, and yet they are "equal...!)
So, that thread stays open in the PS forum where supposedly only PS owners are supposed to post yet if I go to the HDdvd forum and say I don't like the Toshiba remote, the thread will get locked and I'll be warned and risk suspension...

actually it should not be compared to xbox 360 addon.

however what this point out as i said all allong, that gamers do watch movies on their ps3. that is what this thread starter makes an exellent point off. people simply wouldnt buy the ps3 remote control if they wouldnt watch movies on it. dvd or bluray doesnt care. movies are watched on the ps3.

I fail to see the point of this comparison. You are comparing a $200 HD DVD addon with a $25 remote??

For another comparison, the PS3 remote is ranked higher than the wireless controller for the PS3. The component cable for the Wii that that is $5 cheaper did pass this remote by one spot. While the price differences will probably upset some people, I think it is significant that the Blu-ray remote for the PS3 is ranked higher than even the $400 XBOX360. That thing has been selling well (although I'm sure it has dropped after Christmas).

And while I'm sure there are some people who are buying this remote to watch DVDs and not BDs, if I'm Disney, Fox, or Sony and see a lot of people doing that, I'm thinking that they have to be an easy group to advertise to. Take a big title like "Casino Royale" and convince them to watch the Blu-ray version instead of the DVD version. They already have the player and they already have the remote.

For people who have a problem with comparing sales of the remote to sales of higher cost items, if the add-on was $25 would it then be okay to compare the sales ranks? I just see this as one indicator that many people are using the PS3 for watching movies (although some of them will be getting it for DVDs).

Regardless of how much the 20GB XBOX360 costs, if we could figure out how many they sell and the PS3 remote was selling slightly better, then we would have a good idea of the minimum number of those sold. Of course, we don't know how many XBOX360s get sold at Amazon vs elsewhere, but this is just one more piece of information that points us in a general direction IMO. If the remote was in stock and ranked at #1000 with a bunch of stuff that looks like it wouldn't sell much, I would consider that a bad sign for how many people would use the PS3 as a BD movie player.

--Darin

Maybe it is because you are whining like you are doing now. Maybe because you keep bringing up about HDMI and no next gen audio(like this is supposed to move alot of units simply because it is considered next gen) You keep talking as if here on AVS represents the whole worlds view. Obviously the PS3 didn't sale as much as expected. Obviously demand is not as high as it was just a month ago. Whats the excuse or comment going to be when Feb rolls around or later on this year about sales. You going to blame it on 360 or Wii brainwashing folks. It could very much be which is what news sites national news who are reporting about it like finance news stating it might just be the price is the factor. Other things like no games for some or why there are return units being sold at $50 because they either didn't sale on EBAY or maybe people are just not satisfied or dissapointed with it. Again maybe people like myself are simply waiting on games to come out for the actual system because unfortunatly for Sony I bought a 360 thats continuing to take money away from them for me to purchase a PS3 but Sony is also causing that problem too because the online service is dissapointing to me. So my problem I am having and others who finally waited on getting the PS3 and are dissapointed on other important things to them besides HDMI or (next gen sound) that they don't have or really overall didn't care about are not liking the current situation right now. So either they hold off or got suprised by the Wii or/and got a 360.

LOL!!!

I'm another one that's happy with the sixaxis, actually I prefer it! One thing I hate about remotes is having to move up and down, you can't press a button at the top end and then one at the bottom end without shifting the remote, unless you have gigantic hands. The controller allows you to control most things with one hand although I have accidentally pressed the shoulder buttons which is a bit annoying

Yes, it's true that the 360 add-on is more expensive but that doesn't change the fact that more people are buying the PS3 remote which suggests more people are watching BD's on a PS3 than HD DVD's on a 360. Given that HD DVD sales have remained stable I can only conclude that the add on had either had no effect or Toshiba owners have largely stopped buying discs and the slack has been taken up by 360 owners.

Of course, a lot of Toshiba owners have bought the add-on too, but that wouldn't have an effect on disc sales.

Like I've said before, since the PS3 currently does not have a strong game title catalog, I can see buyers of the expensive system substituting games with movies. However, this is a short term effect as more and better games for the PS3 are available.

So, IMHO the substitution effect with the PS3 seems to be real and once more games are released and a more diverse group of people buy the console, the wealth effect will also come into play and we'll probably see greater propensity to buy games v. movies. My 2 cents...

FWIW, I think the PS3 is an excellent product. Not sure about the economics around it, but it's in my opinion the best value in CE hardware.

Do you really think that a significant amount of people are actually doing that? Maybe they are...I don't know. $25 isn't a lot of money, but it's still enough that people aren't just going to purchase it without having a definite intention of purchasing the PS3. I know I wouldn't purchase an accessory for a unit that I don't own or have no immediate plans of purchasing.

what spin? It was a well thought out post.

Comparison or not the fact is the PS3 owners are buying and watching HD movies. A lot of them. This is significant because there are countless threads from the other side claiming this would never happen.

AVS has been grossly biased towards HD-DVD for months and continues to be.

There is no way to equate sales of the remote to BD viewership. Many people will use their PS3 as their only optical player (SD and/or HD) and could find the remote useful. Not to mention the fact that it is a very nice remote for a very cheap price.

You people care way too much. Its like people here are being paid by Sony or Toshiba.