Whose Really holding us hostage? - Page 10

If so, why didn't England just "cave" in WWII?

Probably because of the massive R&D costs. BD would have cost far more to develop than HD-DVD (disk structure, optics, hard coat, replication lines, rom mark, recorders etc.)
Short term pain for long term gain! Just don't be an early adopter, wait it out with upscaled DVD and reap the rewards of a superior format in a years time. Patience is free

I really have no witty response to this. I would like to blow up about equating a next gen DVD war to the genocide of Jews and proliferation of a dictatorship, but then I see that smiley and realize you meant no harm.

Its a conundrum.

Well, I guess I can bring this thread full circle: Dictionary Nazis.

I assure you my writing isn't that atrocious.

You mean whose thread is this? I hope so; not who the OP'r belongs to.

No, I do not think so. It is Sony.

Notice the dead silence.

I have posted dozens of documents. Lol. It is quite apparent that BD-ROM is much more difficult and therefore much more expensive to reproduce.

When you do you will find that BD-50 is extremely difficult to replicate. And that BD replication lines will sit idle, waiting for jobs to come in (as opposed to HD-DVD, which can produce DVDs). Can you name any replicators of BD-50 other than Sony?

I can see that the Sony marketing machine has won you...

No worries, other than the fact that BD playback is owned 97% by the PS3. Not very healthy, in my book.

And Panny, Mitshubishi, Pioneer, and every other JAPANESE CE manufacturers are not only OK with that, they are lauding Sony for their efforts. WHY??? Doesn't anyone here ask why these CE Manufacturers have aligned themselves with their arch-rival???? Why have studios aligned themselves with Sony Pictures??? The writing is on the wall...

Yep. When one of the guys who owns this forums complains about HD-DVD PQ getting worse, it doesn't really support the agenda these people are pushing.

As long as we have as many HD DVD zealots saying too FEW PS3 will be used for movies, as there are HD DVD zealots saying too MANY will be (as you imply), I think the PS3 fits nicely in its own niche.

Calling someone a zealout= tired argumentation.

On the topic of who's really holding us hostage, I might propose this question.

Vested interests aside and considering Microsoft's entry into the format war as "neutral" (without any significant investment in either format initially unlike Sony and Toshiba), they could easily have supported either format. Supporting Blu-ray might have been the last straw for HD DVD, given the state of studio and CE support (then and now). An outright BD win would have propelled consumer confidence and accelerated HD uptake, and everyone wins ultimately - even Microsoft.

It would appear on the surface that their decision to support HD DVD was completely arbitrary, wouldn't it?

If Microsoft did not get into the frey what would we have had for high definition optical discs...the initial releases of the BD group? That would be sad. Even the most ardent BD fanboys would have to agree with my statement. The initial offerings were...SAD. And I have yet to see their interactive element for high def optical media. So once again, HD DVD may make them try harder to give a comparable high def experience on a optical experience.

But you are not taking into account that the Playstation 3 is a video game system primarily, not a Blu-ray standalone player primarily. Forget all the people screaming "Websters Dictionary says...........".

Because it's a video game system first, Sony looks to recoup the losses on the system through game sales, just like it did with the Playstation and Playstation 2. Just as all game console manufacturers do. I can not remember a game console that sold at a profit out of the gate. That's why the PS3 is $499-$599. But those losses right now are so big per console that any drop in price will send Sony diving pretty deep into losses on the SCEA division. Those kind of losses and a lack of sales of software killed many a system, including my still-darling Sega Dreamcast.

Standalone CE's aren't going to sell their products for a loss because they have no way or recouping the cost unless studios decide to try and subsidize a portion of each player to a CE. I don't see any of them doing that. So all lowering cost is going to do is accellerate their own losses per unit sold. And with Sony losing money on the PS3 I don't see them having any to divert to Samsung and co. So those players will have to remain well outside of mainstream consumer pricing until the technology comes down, which the BDA doesn't think can happen for a good while.

I think that HD DVD is setting the standard for high def optical discs. BD is trying to keep up. It can only improve the final experience. The only thing (BD) has in their favor is the lock on Fox, Lions Gate, Sony for content. It didn't hurt that they would subsidized the neutral studios for BD 50 production. This little tidbit always seems to get lost on these forums. Remember how the subsidization of the A1 from Toshiba was such news?

My post was in relation to Microsoft's motives, and I did not directly question the benefits of competition.

If you wish to say that Microsoft had entered the format war for the sake of competition, then I argue that "competition" has outlived its usefulness - it is only hampering progress now. What's more, competition need not exist inter-formats. It already exists among the studios and CE companies - or intra-format. Think initial Sony releases vs Warner's. Why have another layer of competition that is only going to deter consumers, and increase costs for everyone involved?

Having said all that, I do not think the noble concept of spurring competition was the motivation - not the kind of competition that is good for consumers anyway.

How have they passed them? Interactive features? Explain to me why I should buy a BD player? What benefits would I receive from it as far as PQ AND AQ and interactivity?

your knowledge of history is as good as your understanding of AV

England was withe the rest of the world against the axis consisting of Germany, Italy and Japan.