Chinese CEs beating Japanese CEs in hidef war?

If HD-DVD doesn't keep up with BD on the software front; these crappy Chinese players will be at the back of US stores waiting to shipped back to China!!

If things get really bad, they may be deported upon entry!

I believe it's what will ultimately win the war for HD DVD.
Remember when CE products were made in the US? Then it became Japan, then Taiwan and Korea, now it's China's turn.
Big blunder by the blu-ray camp to not realize this.

The DVD player in most people's homes right now are made in China as are many, many, many more electronics.

Its within living memory of many people reading this forum of people saying the same thing about JAPANESE electronics too.

My understanding is that HD-A2s are being made in China right now and I've seen a hint that some BD things may be manufactured in China. I'm not sure how much difference it will make whether those things are manufactured in China for Chinese companies or Japanese companies. The integration with the Broadcom part that they are working on with Microsoft seems like it could be a big deal as far as bringing costs down for HD DVD and it will be interesting to see how prices compare later this year.

--Darin

Chinese CE mfrs are NOT beating Japanese CE mfrs. In fact, they have been outsold by at least 50,000x so far. Let us talk in future tense - for there are no Chinese CE players in the present. They might sell more players when they do launch at lower "commodity price points".

A lot of Japanese CE mfrs also manufacture in China, apart from other countries. It'd be hard to go an hour in your life without touching or coming across something NOT made in China. Coming from China doesn't imply that it would be lacking in quality.

For years after the WWII Japaneese products were talked about in NA using about the same terms that are now reserved for Chineese CE.
And then it changed....

Diogen.

^^^ Absolutely true.

But, it didn't occur overnight with the release of four copies of one product.

What else are these CE going to offer to build up brand awareness and trust?

Gary

Brand awareness is a minor factor now. Value and price are the major factor.

If brand name mattered more than price, why would people be snatching up all those Vizio and Olivia flat screens?

You'd have to produce some sales figures to back that up.

Gary

Google is my buddy:

Flat Panel HDTV Sales Soared in November, Says Pacific Media Associates



Gary

11%? I thought panny did better than that!

Lots of unknown brands in the top ten marketshare list ...

http://www.vizio.com/news/detail.aspx?nid=57

Actually, thats the brand names for those cheap chinese players that dominate the discount store.

You don't find a cheap DVD player with the factory name as a brand on it do you?

It's not the Made in China or the Chinese Players that will the problem.
That will be the HD-DVD. When all the shelf space will be full of lots of BDs.

I would like to know where Sony are in that list, Sony are No. 1 according to NPD.

Oppo is a Chinese CE, isn't it? Make a great, inexpensive product, and brand awareness follows quickly. (as far as I know, Oppo hasn't sided with BD or HD-DVD yet)

It's not a top-10. It's missing a bunch. 3 of 11 is lots?

So, when do we get the Fanai, Vizio, and Syntax-Brillian HD DVD player announcements? Or are you implying LG doing successfully in one product means Samsung will sell well in another?

Gary

Makes a GREAT product, that is relatively expensive to other DVD players.

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Come on, a tiny bit of research, please!

Gary

Gary

I think that he's implying that while the fans on AVS tend to show a preferrence for the Tier1 Japanese companies like Matushita, Sony, and now the larger Korean vendors the Chinese are making lots of money selling acceptable quality equipment.

I love Ferrari cars but Ford Moto co could buy the company 10x over. The Target or Walmart shopper isn't looking for Panasonic mainly they're looking price. If the Panasonic comes in their price range cool.

I see more Vizios on carts in Costco going out the door when I browse through than Panny or Sony.

Are they HDTV?

Guaranteed that HD discs on an EDTV will show little improvement. And unless the set takes 720p, or handles 1080i properly, the improvement on a WXGA (1365x768) display is highly suspect. And as the word gets out among those people that HD discs are a waste, this is bad news for all of us.

There has to be a clear and obvious improvement seen by these bargain buyers for HD players to be sold to them, IMHO.

Gary

so which manufacturers have the other 35% of the sales???

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...=C&ec=&topnav=

47", 1080p native, $1649 US

It doesn't matter if the quality difference is highly suspect or not.

They see

HDTV on the box. They see a LCD flatscreen for $699 for a 32" or $899 for a 37". They see the 32" Panny for $1099 and while they will note the difference they will pay $400 for the Panny. I hear people all the time state the Sony or the Panny looks nice but not $400 nicer.

China is a beast. There was one a time when Japanese and Korean stuff was slammed too. China has moved beyond suspect and shoddy work. Even their auto industry is leaping forward by reports.

Companies aren't rushing to Japane for production. Maybe design. Production is going to China in droves and clearly Toshiba and the HD DVD forum have embraced China far more quickly than the BDA has.

Exactly. Ofcourse there are some missing numbers here in the list ...

Also who is Funai ?

I think the Microsoft+Broadcom SoC solution will take care of the most feared part: royalty payments (at least in the beginning).
I don't expect them to beat Meridian players when they come out, but have no doubts that they will beat locally manufactured for twice the price very soon.

Diogen.

These are all of the brands that Funai operates under:

Funai, Symphonic, Sylvania, Emerson, Aventura, Durabrand, Esa, Magnavox, and Misakai

Never heard of any of them.

It does if the issue is whether they will see a significant difference between DVD and HD discs.


They see a great HD upscaling DVD player for $149, and a HD DVD player from a no-name for $299. The HD DVD looks nicer, but not twice the price nicer.

This surely is all about attracting new people into the game. You don't think those currently interested will wait until the fall, right?

Gary

Especially if the DVD player has Panasonic/Sony/Samsung written on it, while the HD DVD player has a no-name brand they have never heard, all whist being more expensive.