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post #1831 of 2096
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Originally Posted by jautor View Post


No way you'd want to try that. The bottom of the rack has the rollers built-in, and the rest of the system is all engineered for the tracks. The track and stand are the expensive parts anyway.

Jeff

Totally agree.................but human ingenuity can work wonders!! wink.gif
post #1832 of 2096
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Totally agree.................but human ingenuity can work wonders!! wink.gif

Especially when there's 300 pounds of equipment tipped over on top of you... biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
post #1833 of 2096
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Originally Posted by jautor View Post

Especially when there's 300 pounds of equipment tipped over on top of you... biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

I'd be more worried about the time to re-terminate all the broken wires eek.gif
post #1834 of 2096
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Originally Posted by jautor View Post

Especially when there's 300 pounds of equipment tipped over on top of you... biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Try 460 lbs!! I'm pushing limits!!! biggrin.gif
post #1835 of 2096
FWIW, an integrator magazine is holding a contest:
http://www.cepro.com/article/show_us_your_great_looking_racks_2013

I wouldn't think they're looking for DIY efforts. But it might be a good link to keep tabs on for when the contest results are presented.
post #1836 of 2096
great thread!

quick question: is it safe to assume these media racks follow the same sizing and logic of server racks? i see a lot of mid atlantic racks, does anyone use racksolutions?
post #1837 of 2096
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Originally Posted by dalearyous View Post

great thread!

quick question: is it safe to assume these media racks follow the same sizing and logic of server racks? i see a lot of mid atlantic racks, does anyone use racksolutions?

As long as they are 19" racks, you should be good. I went with a trip-lite for my rack. There are benefits though to going with Middle Atlantic and if I were to it all over again, I think I would go with a MA rack instead due to all the accessories they offer (most I've been able to use anyways, but still). The only thing that is not MA on my rack is the rack itself. The Slim5 also seems to be a great choice for making the rack have that "built in" look. I used the MA trim strips and still had some uncovered rack frame. This is because the Slim 5 has slimmer rack rails. I ended up having to use some trim work to make up the difference. It still looks great, but I think the Slim 5 would have made things a lot easier.

TDLR: Any 19" rack should be fine. Just make sure it will meet your ultimate goals in the end or that you have planned for any workarounds (for incorporating it into your space) before hand so you have as little surprises as possible.
post #1838 of 2096
Note some AV racks use threaded holes, where IT racks commonly use unthreaded or square holes (requiring the use of clip or cage nuts). There's not much difference otherwise, as it's the width that's crucial and the use of standard hole drilling on the face. I second the idea that MA's gear and accessories are worth considering, if you like that sort of thing. And have the budget for it! biggrin.gif
post #1839 of 2096
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

Note some AV racks use threaded holes, where IT racks commonly use unthreaded or square holes (requiring the use of clip or cage nuts).

I personally prefer this as you never have to worry about stripping a hole out wink.gif. I've seen some server racks that also use threaded holes, but they seem to be pretty rare. Using cage nuts also lets you use different size bolts. I was using 10/32 nuts, but the trim strips from MA required M6 (I believe), so I only had to change out the cage nuts for those bolts and not the whole system. I could have just started with m6, but I didn't know that MA used that size for the trim strips. I just went with the normal size for server racks (since I also happen to use mine for a "server rack").
post #1840 of 2096
thanks for the replies guys. i will most likely go with an IT rack as i am an IT sys admin and know my way around them very well. plus they can be found on craigslist for cheap or free! between the mid atlantic stuff and racksolutions i should be able to cover everything. the rack is going in a closet on the other side of the TV wall so it will be out of site.
post #1841 of 2096
M6? I thought they were 10/32? I used 10/32's in my slim5 until I bought the MA screws.
post #1842 of 2096
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Originally Posted by dalearyous View Post

thanks for the replies guys. i will most likely go with an IT rack as i am an IT sys admin and know my way around them very well. plus they can be found on craigslist for cheap or free! between the mid atlantic stuff and racksolutions i should be able to cover everything. the rack is going in a closet on the other side of the TV wall so it will be out of site.

If the rack is out of sight, use the IT rack. If you want to put it in your wall, use the MA rack. You can put the IT rack in the wall but the zero edge look will not be there as the IT racks are wider than the rails as you probably already know.
post #1843 of 2096
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Originally Posted by Sir Meili View Post

I personally prefer this as you never have to worry about stripping a hole out wink.gif. I've seen some server racks that also use threaded holes, but they seem to be pretty rare. Using cage nuts also lets you use different size bolts. I was using 10/32 nuts, but the trim strips from MA required M6 (I believe), so I only had to change out the cage nuts for those bolts and not the whole system. I could have just started with m6, but I didn't know that MA used that size for the trim strips. I just went with the normal size for server racks (since I also happen to use mine for a "server rack").

I much prefer threaded holes. you've got be pretty hopeless/careless to strip a hole. Worst case you can re-tap for a larger screw
post #1844 of 2096
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Originally Posted by dalearyous View Post

thanks for the replies guys. i will most likely go with an IT rack as i am an IT sys admin and know my way around them very well. plus they can be found on craigslist for cheap or free! between the mid atlantic stuff and racksolutions i should be able to cover everything. the rack is going in a closet on the other side of the TV wall so it will be out of site.

I started with an IT rack (but a really deep one: Sunfire 6800 I think). At the time I had a really deep 1U server. It was a real pain to get to the back of stuff due to depth

I have a Sanus one now, which is great value as it includes all shelves, etc. You can probably get one same depth as Sanus/MA/etc. but I'd check first.
post #1845 of 2096
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

M6? I thought they were 10/32? I used 10/32's in my slim5 until I bought the MA screws.

I may have that backwards then. I know I started with one, then had to get new cage nuts when I got the trim strips. Now that I think of it, I did have to get 10/32 for the MA trim strips.
post #1846 of 2096
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

you've got be pretty hopeless/careless to strip a hole. Worst case you can re-tap for a larger screw
Well, if someone's THAT ham-fisted I'm not sure they'd want to then add the hassle of yet another sized screw thread. At least with the clip nuts you're at able to use whatever sized screw works best. But otherwise, yeah, I agree that threaded holes certainly have their appeal. Just make sure to find a good deal on the CORRECT sized screws.

I believe most of mine (clip nut kind) ;)are 10-32, and that includes a number of handy ones with knurled knobs (even a post with the knurl removable) but I've used a couple of M6 for rear-facing shelves and such.
Edited by wkearney99 - 9/4/13 at 1:46pm
post #1847 of 2096
I'd like to know why MA does NOT include 10-32 screws with custom racks and faceplates!!mad.gif
post #1848 of 2096
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

I'd like to know why MA does NOT include 10-32 screws with custom racks and faceplates!!mad.gif

Oddly enough, they do with the trim strips smile.gif
post #1849 of 2096
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

Well, if someone's THAT ham-fisted I'm not sure they'd want to then add the hassle of yet another sized screw thread. At least with the clip nuts you're at able to use whatever sized screw works best. But otherwise, yeah, I agree that threaded holes certainly have their appeal. Just make sure to find a good deal on the CORRECT sized screws.

I believe most of mine (clip nut kind) ;)are 10-32, and that includes a number of handy ones with knurled knobs (even a post with the knurl removable) but I've used a couple of M6 for rear-facing shelves and such.
how did you use m6 screws? Did you tap it for m6? I don't know why you would do that considering m6 is metric.
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then add the hassle of yet another sized screw thread

Another reason why I don't get you. You are not only using two different screws, but are also mixing metric and standard. Sorry dude, but some of the things you say (particularly in this thread) has me wondering.
post #1850 of 2096
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Originally Posted by Sir Meili View Post

I may have that backwards then. I know I started with one, then had to get new cage nuts when I got the trim strips. Now that I think of it, I did have to get 10/32 for the MA trim strips.

How much are those trim strips?
post #1851 of 2096
About $38 street price EACH for the 78" sticks in the anodized finish. About half that for the powder coated finish, plus shipping.
post #1852 of 2096
Excuse my ignorance, but how do you install them? Actually a better question is how do they stay on?
post #1853 of 2096
Snap fit over the screw heads.
post #1854 of 2096
MA offers many of their racks with cage nut mounting as an option. However, not the Slim5.
post #1855 of 2096
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

I'd like to know why MA does NOT include 10-32 screws with custom racks and faceplates!!mad.gif

Well duh, of course they do. That's because the strips need to fit onto a specific sized screw head in order to stay in place.

People will populate a rack with a wide range of a few devices. Some may be all 3U-5U sized, 1U-2U sized or a random mix. Just how many screws would be appropriate? There's also the cost factor as that'd be an added cost. Sure, "some" would be nice, no argument there. But people would still whine about that not being "enough".

That and sometimes you'd want to use other screw heads. Allen, Torx or even torx security screws for example. Or maybe knurled posts. I've got a bag of some that are threaded (differently) on both ends, one to go into the rack and clip nut and the other for a removable knurled collar. This lets me rest a heavier piece of equipment on the posts and spin on a nut quickly, as opposed to having juggle the gear, the screw and a screwdriver. I typically don't leave them installed that way, but go back and replace them with a regular rack screw later. This is one supplier of them: http://www.rackrelease.com/index.htm

My metric is one screw for every hole on one of the posts usually ends up being enough. For a 4 post rack with full front and partial back population this is usually about right. Then I buy two bags with that quantity!
post #1856 of 2096
I found an APC 42u rack for $100 in perfect condition. 78" tall and 48" deep. should be PLENTY. ill most likely just go with shelves from racksolutions and set all my stuff in there as i do not care about what the front looks like. will i have any issues with ps3, 360, wii u controllers through 1 partition wall?
post #1857 of 2096
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Originally Posted by dalearyous View Post

I found an APC 42u rack for $100 in perfect condition. 78" tall and 48" deep. should be PLENTY. ill most likely just go with shelves from racksolutions and set all my stuff in there as i do not care about what the front looks like. will i have any issues with ps3, 360, wii u controllers through 1 partition wall?

In testing for an outdoor theater, I took my PS3 and Wii remotes (this was before my Wii U) and I was able to go to my back fence which is about 70'+ from where the rack is now. That was through at least 1 Stud wall and 1 CBS (Concrete block stucco) wall. I think you'll be fine. I even went to the four corners of my house to see if they would be playable from any room in the house and they seemed to work ok (I didn't have TVs in those rooms yet, so I wasn't actually looking at the screen, just pressing in directions and counting and seeing if the focus was where it was supposed to be).
post #1858 of 2096
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Originally Posted by dalearyous View Post

I found an APC 42u rack for $100 in perfect condition. 78" tall and 48" deep. should be PLENTY. ill most likely just go with shelves from racksolutions and set all my stuff in there as i do not care about what the front looks like. will i have any issues with ps3, 360, wii u controllers through 1 partition wall?

48 is very deep. Will be a real pain to get to things from the rear (I know, I had one) and got rid of it for that reason
post #1859 of 2096
the side panels pop off. we have this APC model at work and most devices only sit half way in. so just pop off side panels and do what you have to do. plus it comes on wheels.
post #1860 of 2096
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Originally Posted by dalearyous View Post

the side panels pop off. .

I know, I had one. Still found it a real pain to work on. Was *really* glad to get rid of it and get my Sanus
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