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post #781 of 1391
5/2/08 at 9:54pm
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Originally Posted by leo_bh100 View Post

Hi Guys, finally got home and tried some of that EEPROM editing:

My player is from Mexico, this is my EEPROM: 4D 58 01 00 00 05 00 40

Hope this helps.


Ok now we need to figure out the third byte the mexico one is 01.

hmmmm?


Athanasios
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post #782 of 1391
5/3/08 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by leo_bh100 View Post

Hi Guys, finally got home and tried some of that EEPROM editing:

My player is from Mexico, this is my EEPROM: 4D 58 01 00 00 05 00 40

Thanks for this.

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Originally Posted by nashou66 View Post

Ok now we need to figure out the third byte the mexico one is 01.

Good point. I bet it doesn't mean anything really important though.

Mexico is also Region A BD and seeing as the USA/Canada models are set to 00 I would guess it's not related to BD region coding. We already know how to enable PAL and enable SD DVD MR, what's left?

p.s - You could always set yours to 01 and see what changes, if anything
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post #783 of 1391
5/4/08 at 5:06am
First: I have a european version of the LGBH100. You might be right about the BD region coding, BUT what I've observed: I've changed the EEPROM from 44 45 00 82 00 05 00 40 to 44 45 00 80 00 05 00 40 and the system summary shows DVD region: 2 (originally 2), BD region: A (originally B). The player is not tested yet against BD region 1 playback, so I really do not know, if it actually works. Unfortunately the DVD playback's been affected (check the disc message). HDDVD playback's fine, Blu-Ray region free is fine as well. The big question is: will really play region 1 BDs? This I'll have to find out. As soon as I know I will post a tread. Second (minor to me) question is: is possible not to get simultaneously multi region DVD and BD?
regards to all of you.
r.
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post #784 of 1391
5/4/08 at 6:04am
I presume your BH100 is from the UK? As 44 45 is DE and 82 we've established is used in the UK:

I see you've changed the fourth set of numbers from 82 to 80. What made you change it to 80? I don't think that number has been brought up before.

I must say I'm confused as it was established the fourth set handles NTSC/PAL and SD DVD MR meaning:

00 - USA/Canadian default + NTSC Only + SD DVD Region 1
82 - UK default + PAL & NTSC + SD DVD Region 2
8D - Aussie default + PAL & NTSC + SD DVD Region 4
02 - User guessed + PAL & NTSC + SD DVD Region Free

With it set to 80 it seems to give -

* BD Region A
* SD DVD Region 2
* PAL & NTSC - I'm presuming NTSC is still supported?

You say 80 makes it Region A (from Region B) that is indeed interesting. It sounds like you maybe on to something as you can still playback Region Free BDs.

Further questions sorry -

* What Region B BD did you try? Are you sure it's Region B?
* Do you have any Region 1 SD DVDs to test?
* Do you have any NTSC Region Free SD DVDs to test?

How we're going to find the code that gives the lot is anyone's guess -

* PAL & NTSC
* SD DVD Region Free
* BD Region Free or BD Region A & B - C isn't important

It sounds like it's the same field (fourth value) that controls PAL/NTSC, SD DVD MR and BD MR, and we just need to find the right value. Finding the value that changes it from BD Region A to Region B would be a start.

If I can suggest can we please call it Region A for BD and Region 1 for SD DVD. It's less confusing that way.

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You might be right about the BD region coding, BUT what I've observed:

To clarify I was referring to the third set of values not fourth, as I see you've changed .
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post #785 of 1391
5/4/08 at 6:25am
Looking at LG DVD players the 4th set and last set of Hex control not only region but features of the player. DVD player hacks can enable VCD playback and disable macrovision using these 2 hex digit pairs.
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post #786 of 1391
5/4/08 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by Krobar View Post

Looking at LG DVD players the 4th set and last set of Hex control not only region but features of the player. DVD player hacks can enable VCD playback and disable macrovision using these 2 hex digit pairs.

How do you know this? Do have any experience of this? I'm not sure I'd want to go messing them for things like VCD and Macrovision, both are pretty much dead.

The values "05 00 40" are consistent across ALL value ranges posted from USA, Canada, Mexico, UK to Australia.

Do you have any Region A BDs? If so would you be willing to try changing your BH200 (when it arrives) from 82 (Euro value) to 80? And see if they work? You'll be able to put it back again afterwards.
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post #787 of 1391
5/4/08 at 6:47am
I dont have any Region As and wont get my BH200 until the end of next week. Can try the "80" with a Region B though.

Could some one try "0D" in the fourth block. I'd be interested to see what happens.
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post #788 of 1391
5/4/08 at 7:23am
What do you expect to happen?

Thanks, with it set to 80 and an actual Region B BD (what title please?) would confirm it is definitely set to Region A. Not that we've got any region to suspect the Region Info page is wrong when it says what the BD and SD DVD Regions are.

It would also confirm the 80 value works on the BH100 and BH200. Do you plan to buy any Region A BDs? I guess not if you planned to stay in the Region B camp.
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post #789 of 1391
5/4/08 at 7:25am
Some other remote codes for LG users to try:

HDCP off/on:
PAUSE,1,2,3,6,9
on screen: "OK H" or "Default H" (Status)
(2xPAUSE to leave)

Macrovision off/on:
Pause,7,4,1,5,3,6,9
on screen: "OK M" oder "Default M" (Status)
(2xPAUSE to leave)

Video/HDMI Info Page:
Pause,2,4,8,6,5
Use this to check and see if HDCP protection and Macrovision are on
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post #790 of 1391
5/4/08 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

What do you expect to happen?

Thanks, with it set to 80 and an actual Region B BD (what title please?) would confirm it is definitely set to Region A. Not that we've got any region to suspect the Region Info page is wrong when it says what the BD and SD DVD Regions are.

It would also confirm the 80 value works on the BH100 and BH200. Do you plan to buy any Region A BDs? I guess not if you planned to stay in the Region B camp.

If I had a Multi Zone player then I would buy some Zone A discs I bought alot more HDDVDs from the USA than UK.
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post #791 of 1391
5/4/08 at 7:34am
Well, I thought if a) 82 and b) 00 respectively mean a) PAL/NTSC region 2/B and b) NTSC region 1/A, I'll get PAL/NTSC and region 1/A (stupido ) by setting it to 80. Yep, it did not work quite the way I imagined, but, as you say, it might be a step in the right direction. The player (and myself) are from Poland, the BDs I tried are "No country for old men", "I am legend", "Casino Royale", "Patriot" and "PotC - the curse...", all of them multi region in fact (imported from USA). Now (set to 80) the DVDs region 2 DO NOT WORK (check disc msg). When it's set to 82, PAL DVDs work fine. I do not have anything region 1/A to test yet (NTSC don't know) - that's why I'm not sure it works at all. And one more thing - all the testing wouldn't be possible, if you guys hadn't come up with the EEPROM table. So if it finally works (BD region free or region A) - next time you're in Poland, I owe you one .
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post #792 of 1391
5/4/08 at 7:35am
I have a Region A disc (USA Die Hard) but there are a few more I want.

There aren't many Region B discs out there, except those from the UK company EIV and none that I want. I would rent one though to test it. New Line (except Pan's Labyrinth), Lionsgate (except the odd title), Fox and Disney (on some titles) all use Region A coding.

If after you get your Belgian BH200 and you do try a Region A BD please let me know. I'd be "very" keen to hear it works, before shelling out £500 myself. My original plan was to import a USA Player, so I'd like to know it works before changing that plan.

p.s - Disabling HDCP would be an interesting one.
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post #793 of 1391
5/4/08 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

I have a Region A disc (USA Die Hard) but there are a few more I want.

There aren't many Region B discs out there, except those from the UK company EIV and none that I want. I would rent one though to test it. New Line (except Pan's Labyrinth), Lionsgate (except the odd title), Fox and Disney (on some titles) all use Region A coding.

If after you get your Belgian BH200 and you do try a Region A BD please let me know. I'd be "very" keen to hear it works, before shelling out £500 myself. My original plan was to import a USA Player, so I'd like to know it works before changing that plan.

p.s - Disabling HDCP would be an interesting one.

I think Fox UK titles are generally Region B (My Master and Commander disc claims to be). If you want me to test Region A you can always post me Die Hard and I will post it back after testing (Which if sucessful would include a screening )
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post #794 of 1391
5/4/08 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by robert007 View Post

the BDs I tried are "No country for old men", "I am legend", "Casino Royale", "Patriot" and "PotC - the curse...", all of them multi region in fact (imported from USA). .

in fact Casino Royale is the only one I bought in Poland, it is multi region.
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post #795 of 1391
5/4/08 at 8:02am
Hi Robert007,

Please could you try a Region 0 PAL disk in you player to see if it works.
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post #796 of 1391
5/4/08 at 8:04am
Also, I seem to remember hearing that the first bach of Aussie BH100 were Zone Free. Would be very interesting to see the EEP Rom values from one of those.
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post #797 of 1391
5/4/08 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by robert007 View Post

Well, I thought if a) 82 and b) 00 respectively mean a) PAL/NTSC region 2/B and b) NTSC region 1/A, I'll get PAL/NTSC and region 1/A (stupido ) by setting it to 80.

Good thinking.

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Originally Posted by robert007 View Post

the BDs I tried are "No country for old men", "I am legend", "Casino Royale", "Patriot" and "PotC - the curse...", all of them multi region in fact (imported from USA).

Those are all Warner or Sony (except one Disney) which means Region Free . Casino Royale is Region A in America but everywhere else it's Region Free.

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Originally Posted by robert007 View Post

Now (set to 80) the DVDs region 2 DO NOT WORK (check disc msg). When it's set to 82, PAL DVDs work fine.

That is very interesting. I'd bet money 80 is the value for Japan. Why? -

1. Japan is BD Region A
2. Japan is SD DVD Region 2
3. Japan also uses solely NTSC for DVDs

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Originally Posted by robert007 View Post

And one more thing - all the testing wouldn't be possible, if you guys hadn't come up with the EEPROM table. So if it finally works (BD region free or region A) - next time you're in Poland, I owe you one .

No worries, we're getting there.
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post #798 of 1391
5/4/08 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by Krobar View Post

I think Fox UK titles are generally Region B (My Master and Commander disc claims to be).

Yep ALL Fox discs are BD Region Locked. B for Europe/Australasia or A for The Americas/Asia.

Great you have a Region B locked disc but you now need a Region A locked disc. In case we need further proof:

http://bluray.liesinc.net/index.php?region=b

Master and Commander: Aussie, UK and Dutch ALL Region B

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Originally Posted by Krobar View Post

If you want me to test Region A you can always post me Die Hard and I will post it back after testing (Which if sucessful would include a screening )

Good thinking Batman! I'll PM you to let you know my details.
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post #799 of 1391
5/4/08 at 8:21am
@ Robert007:

If assuming 80 is Japan BD Region A, what happens if you set it to 00? That is the default USA/Canadian value and presumably also means it's Region A. This should also set it to Region 1 SD DVD and NTSC only.

Could you please check and report back what the Region Info Page says? Thanks.

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@ Robert007:

Krobar has just pointed out to me what is likely to give PAL Support, SD DVD Region Free and BD Region A. User csundbom confirmed here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=758

Setting it to 02 gave him:

* PAL Support
* SD DVD Region 1 and Region 2

His Player is a USA BH100 so presumably is still Region A. He doesn't say if he owns any Region A locked disc though, he may only own Region Free BDs.
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post #800 of 1391
5/4/08 at 10:14am
Hi guys, I did some more checking. The USA settings do not work with mine BH100 (neither the original, nor the modified [02]). In each case I get the "check disc" msg. I changed it also to 00 - same msg.
So now I'm reverted back to factory settings and just sit and wait to get a region A BD. Hope that someone in the meantime will find it out.

By the way - BRANDAVON, you're a real mine of knowledge, where do you get this from? Do you really do not know what to do with this region free settings ?

And KROBAR - I do not have any Region 0 PAL DVDs - sorry, only PAL DVDs region 2, they work fine with factory settings, with my modification they fail .
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post #801 of 1391
5/4/08 at 10:26am
Further info from "csundbom" over PM:

"It's a US player, confirmed.

After changing byte 4 to 02, the Region Info says

DVD Region: 1
BD Region: B

I tried playing BD Region A "Before the Devil knows you're dead" and it played without issues (1080p/23.98 out)."

This is particularly interesting as he said prior with it set to 02 he could play Region 1 and PAL Region 2 SD DVDs too.

Before the Devil knows you're dead has also been confirmed to be Region A locked. Work that one out

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Originally Posted by robert007 View Post

Hi guys, I did some more checking. The USA settings do not work with mine BH100 (neither the original, nor the modified [02]). In each case I get the "check disc" msg. I changed it also to 00 - same msg.

That's a shame.

To clarify what discs said "check disc"? -

1. SD DVD or BD?
2. PAL or NTSC SD DVD
3. What SD DVD Region?
4. Does BD Region B work?

You could try putting it back to defaults then using:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1010650

To set it to SD DVD Region Free. You'll need to burn it to a blank DVD (so DVD+RW or DVD-RW). It's not been tested on the BH100 but may work.

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Originally Posted by robert007 View Post

By the way - BRANDAVON, you're a real mine of knowledge, where do you get this from? Do you really do not know what to do with this region free settings ?

I'm afraid I don't. I don't own a BH100 or BH200 . I just have lots of ideas and some knowledge about region coding.

I'm also unemployed hence why I cannot buy one right now and test it for myself . I will be able to soon, which is why I am so interested to find out.

Thanks for your help again.
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post #802 of 1391
5/4/08 at 10:38am
The testing I did with the EU modified to 00 and with US and US/csundbom was with region 2 PAL DVD "Who is Cletis Tout?". regs
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post #803 of 1391
5/4/08 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by robert007 View Post

The testing I did with the EU modified to 00 and with US and US/csundbom was with region 2 PAL DVD "Who is Cletis Tout?". regs

What happens if you modify it to 02?
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post #804 of 1391
5/4/08 at 10:56am
Krobar: Robert said above, sadly it didn't work for him either.

Thanks Robert. So when you set it to 02 you couldn't get a PAL SD DVD Region 2 DVD to work, understood.
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post #805 of 1391
5/4/08 at 7:08pm
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Further info from "csundbom" over PM:

"It's a US player, confirmed.

After changing byte 4 to 02, the Region Info says

DVD Region: 1
BD Region: B

I tried playing BD Region A "Before the Devil knows you're dead" and it played without issues (1080p/23.98 out)."

This is particularly interesting as he said prior with it set to 02 he could play Region 1 and PAL Region 2 SD DVDs too.

Before the Devil knows you're dead has also been confirmed to be Region A locked. Work that one out

So does this mean with this setting on the us player it will play BD region A and B plus both SD region 1 and 2?

This is getting interesting and confusing!

Athanasios
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post #806 of 1391
5/4/08 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by nashou66 View Post

So does this mean with this setting on the us player it will play BD region A and B plus both SD region 1 and 2?

This is getting interesting and confusing!

Athanasios

Not sure about BD region B. I don't have any B discs to test with.
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post #807 of 1391
5/4/08 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by nashou66 View Post

So does this mean with this setting on the us player it will play BD region A and B plus both SD region 1 and 2?

Possibly but it needs confirming. It's been confirmed:

1. PAL Support - NTSC should be standard across all settings
2. SD DVD Region 1 and Region 2 - Likely Region Free but not tested for sure
3. BD Region A

Now this is of course where it gets interesting as it clearly says BD Region B but then it also says SD DVD Region 1 and "csundbom" has confirmed he can play a PAL SD DVD Region 2 disc, so who knows.

Interestingly Robert007 set his to 02 but he says he couldn't then get PAL Region 2 discs to work (see above), so the plot thickens.

It also makes zero sense regardless as there is NO country that is BD Region B but SD DVD Region 1 .

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Originally Posted by nashou66 View Post

This is getting interesting and confusing!

Confused? Surely not

User Krobar has SD DVDs across most regions and will soon have both Region A and Region B locked BDs. He'll then be able to test it properly, see here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post13795351
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post #808 of 1391
5/4/08 at 9:00pm
ok that post for the 200 says it doesnt matter where the player was bouhgt, what about the 100? same thing?

Athanasios
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post #809 of 1391
5/6/08 at 1:47pm
I've been chatting with an LG employee over PM and here is what they've said. It mixes between the BH100 and BH200:
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LG Employee: Some people may be able to unlock a lot more since the BH100's made dec06~april06 contain to broadcom IC's. I think it was May07 they took the extra one off the board. Anyway the BH100's that have 2, one of them is disabled. And the one that is disabled what does it do? Maybe a little something to do with HD.

Bradavon: are you abbreviating HD-DVD to HD and mean HDi was included but disabled?

 Any idea why kit sold in The Americas has PAL disabled by default? Sure I know nothing in The America is in PAL but it still seems odd when it's so easy to enable/disable it. Why not just leave it enabled?

 Lastly, is there any way to do any long term damage by altering any of the values in the EEPROM menu? Presumably you can always put it back to defaults? I just don't want to go bricking a BH200 by tinkering too much.

LG Employee: PAL is just disabled since it is sold in North America. It is easier to just disable it via the menu, remember these are made on an assembly line so when they are making them for a certain region they just change the options in the menu for that run of units.

No long term damage, this is how it is done in the factory.

I guess I should put a word of caution about changing the menu numbers. There is a chance of bricking a unit. I do not have a list of numbers that will do this so just a word of caution for everyone. For people who have the ability to return the unit to a store for exchange, no fears change the menu to whatever you like and see what happens.

For legal reasons the extra IC was disabled. This was the only way the BH100 could be sold. You may thank the battle between bluray and HD for that one. Neither one of them wanted a player that could do both. Of course differences were worked out so to speak and the BH200 was able to do HDi.

The "service port" on the back of the BH100 is not for service. It was just called a service port again for legal reasons. In reality it is an ethernet port. You normally do not see service ports with link lights. A few Dec07 units do say ethernet instead of service, if anyone has one of these, a collectors item

Bradavon: Any idea what Julio Cohen has done here to achieve SD DVD MR? - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1010650

It's been confirmed this hack doesn't alter the values in the EEPROM menu.

LG Employee: Now what Julio did looks like a region code hack program. You can download these just do a google search. I am not sure if he modified an existing hack program so it would work with the BH200 or if he just took an existing program and just used it and it worked. Either way like I was saying before I am quite surprised nobody has done this sooner.
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post #810 of 1391
5/6/08 at 2:00pm
Hello,

I decided to purchase a BH200 today from my local BB. I walked in expecting to pay their MSRP but they had an open box for $200 less with full warranty and 30 day guarantee. I couldn't justify not trying the open box out. I have watch the threads here on this player for a while and they have been extremely helpful. I have a large library of both discs and and a DLP in our media room upstairs, I am upgrading our old downstairs TV to hidef and this is going to come in very handy

Having said that - I haven't purchased open box before. Outside of checking various discs in the player, physical condition, etc is there anything else I should look for? I am sure I will have to update the firmware..

I am preparing to purchase the Samsung 40" 650 Series LCD from an online retailer to pair with this player. Any advice on settings for that TV(which should arrive next week) would be welcome as well!

Regards,
Craig
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