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post #811 of 1391
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

I've been chatting with an LG employee over PM and here is what they've said. It mixes between the BH100 and BH200:

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LG Employee: Some people may be able to unlock a lot more since the BH100's made dec06~april06 contain to broadcom IC's. I think it was May07 they took the extra one off the board. Anyway the BH100's that have 2, one of them is disabled. And the one that is disabled what does it do? Maybe a little something to do with HD.

Bradavon: are you abbreviating HD-DVD to HD and mean HDi was included but disabled?

Any idea why kit sold in The Americas has PAL disabled by default? Sure I know nothing in The America is in PAL but it still seems odd when it's so easy to enable/disable it. Why not just leave it enabled?

Lastly, is there any way to do any long term damage by altering any of the values in the EEPROM menu? Presumably you can always put it back to defaults? I just don't want to go bricking a BH200 by tinkering too much.

LG Employee: PAL is just disabled since it is sold in North America. It is easier to just disable it via the menu, remember these are made on an assembly line so when they are making them for a certain region they just change the options in the menu for that run of units.

No long term damage, this is how it is done in the factory.

I guess I should put a word of caution about changing the menu numbers. There is a chance of bricking a unit. I do not have a list of numbers that will do this so just a word of caution for everyone. For people who have the ability to return the unit to a store for exchange, no fears change the menu to whatever you like and see what happens.

For legal reasons the extra IC was disabled. This was the only way the BH100 could be sold. You may thank the battle between bluray and HD for that one. Neither one of them wanted a player that could do both. Of course differences were worked out so to speak and the BH200 was able to do HDi.

The "service port" on the back of the BH100 is not for service. It was just called a service port again for legal reasons. In reality it is an ethernet port. You normally do not see service ports with link lights. A few Dec07 units do say ethernet instead of service, if anyone has one of these, a collectors item

Bradavon: Any idea what Julio Cohen has done here to achieve SD DVD MR? - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1010650

It's been confirmed this hack doesn't alter the values in the EEPROM menu.

LG Employee: Now what Julio did looks like a region code hack program. You can download these just do a google search. I am not sure if he modified an existing hack program so it would work with the BH200 or if he just took an existing program and just used it and it worked. Either way like I was saying before I am quite surprised nobody has done this sooner.

Man if we could find the original programing to enable the second broadcom chip........... I alway wanted to hook up the ethernet port to my router and see if it was visible. But with out the software enabled in the unit it wont help much, maybe we can send emails asking LG to now enable the second chip and the ethernet port for those who have these units. I knbow they most likly wont but its worth a shot.

Athanasios
post #812 of 1391
It's worth asking. It sounds like the licensing preventing it in the first place has been sorted out.

It sounds like you'd also need a 2006 model too.
post #813 of 1391
Thats what I have , bought it new.

Athanasios
post #814 of 1391
Hello guys, did you try the region hacks from videohelp.com? there is plenty of hacks for LG players (non for BH100/200 though).
post #815 of 1391
By the way - Julio's way to make the BH200 region free doesn't work for the BH100
post #816 of 1391
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Originally Posted by robert007 View Post

By the way - Julio's way to make the BH200 region free doesn't work for the BH100

What happened when you put the disc in the BH100? Did anything happen or did the BH100 an unrecognised disc? If so:

I presume you burnt the file to a DVD? So it read? -

\\RMTM0000\\Scarlet\\kpjc19_1.dvd
And not: \\kpjc19_1.dvd

Also double check here, to check you burnt a standard DVD:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...9&postcount=84

Those instructions are for the BH200 so just replace CD with DVD.

p.s - The RMTM Hack can be downloaded here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1027617
post #817 of 1391
Finally bit the bullet and nabbed on (decent price) to get my Purple on. Now... just to update the firmware and play around with it :-).
post #818 of 1391
What a NICE surprise! The firmware installs QUICKLY compared to my old Toshiba (which took close to 30 minutes) and the interface is miles better.

Now that it has officially dropped 200$, I can see these finally starting to take off. Hopefully LG stays committed to pumping out this product (or newer models) b/c it is one nice machine.

Happy :-)
post #819 of 1391
Yes, you're right. I made a data CD using Nero 6. So what you say is to make a data DVD and burn it to DVD preserving the katalogue structure? The message I got was "Disc Error" and it spat the disc out. And I forgot - the BH100 does not read CDs!
post #820 of 1391
Please burn the file to a blank DVD using the instructions in the link I mention above. Nero 6 will do just fine.

It's worth a try, you never know. Like you say I'm not surprised it didn't work with a CD.
post #821 of 1391
Brandavon, I say you start another thread called Bh100 region free hack trials or something like that to summerise exactly what the known working eprom changes work and which machine they are succesfull on country wise.

Athanasios
post #822 of 1391
It's a good idea but it should really be maintained by a BH100 user. My main interest in this thread is for info we can also use on the BH200.

I will however see if I can summarise things:

* For the start of the BH100 EEPROM: PAL/SD DVD MR discussion click here.
* For interesting information about the BH100 and it supporting HDi/PIP, click here.

* How do I check what my current firmware is, what my SD DVD/Blu-ray Region Code is?

Go to:

1. SETUP
2. TV ASPECT
3. SELECT 16:9
4. PRESS 1397139 ON THE REMOTE
5. PRESS ENTER

* How to access the EEPROM menu:

1. Make sure no disc is in the tray
2. Press PAUSE, 1, 4, 7, 2

Remember to turn the BH100 Off (Power Button not at the Wall) after making changes!

* What is an EEPROM?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEPROM

* Default strings:

Australian BH100: 41 55 00 8D 00 05 00 40
USA BH100: 55 53 00 00 00 05 00 40
UK BH100: 44 45 00 82 00 05 00 40
Mexican BH100: 4D 58 01 00 00 05 00 40

* Confirmed BH100 codes that enable PAL:

If you note the above strings have a value in bold, it's this value that needs changing, do NOT change any of the other values:

Region 2/PAL: 80
Region 2/PAL: 82
Region 4/PAL: 8D
Region Free/PAL: 02

NOTE: On the BH100 when PAL is enabled: Output can be configured to 576p/50Hz or 1080p/24Hz (an NTSC DVD can still be played). In NTSC mode, it enables 480p/59.95Hz and 1080/23.98Hz

* Confirmed BH100 codes that alter the Blu-ray region:

BD Region A: 80
BD Region B: 02

However it has also been confirmed a Region A locked BD works with 02 set, see here.

* How do I make the BH100/BH200 SD DVD Multiregion?

If you find altering your BH100 to the 02 code causes the BH100 to work incorrectly or would simply prefer not to alter the EEPROM values click here. This will allow you to download the "Region Management Test Hack" program.

* It seems if your BH100 is set to 02 you will get:

SD DVD PAL Support
SD DVD Region Free (R1 and R2 Confirmed)
BD Region A and Region B (maybe Region Free) - A BD Region B disc has yet to be tested

If someone wants to start a thread by all means copy/paste this info .
post #823 of 1391
It seems to me 02 gives the LOT. It needs a second user to confirm it though, and to test a Region B BD.
post #824 of 1391
Hello. Bradavon, I just did the DVD with Julio's hack and it worked the following way:
1. I started with the UK-EEPROM
2. I did get the region menu screen
3. I chose the 0 for multi-region and confirmed by pressing PAUSE (as in the on-screen instruction).
What happend? It did not change the EEPROM but the DVD region was set to 0, BD region remained B. I changed then the 4th byte to 80 (from 82), confirmed and rebooted. To my surprise the EEPROM changed itself to the standard US-values and DVD region to 1 and BD region to A. So now I do not get any DVD to play (not from region 2, I did find one DVD region 0 PAL [femme fatale] - it doesn't work). But HD-DVD (Seabiscuit) and Blu-ray (I am Legend - multiregion) work fine. So as soon my BD region A arrives I'll test the following: whether it plays at all and whether I can make the csundbom hack. goodnight
post #825 of 1391
Thanks Robert.

Firstly great the RMTM CD works. It sounds like changing to value 80 overrode what the RMTM CD set, is this correct?

It's odd a PAL DVD doesn't work. If you re-run the RMTM CD and put it back to Region Free. How are things then? It's interesting to note RMTM CD is overridden when you change the EEPROM value, on the BH200 the RMTM CD takes precedence over the EEPROM menu.

p.s - I would be inclined to put it back to R0 using the RMTM CD then try setting it to 02. You may not need to use the RMTM CD with 02.
post #826 of 1391
By changing to 02 the EEPROM changed back to the UK values - by itself. The PAL DVDs work fine now, the BD region's back to B and DVD region is 2. Other thing that I've observed is that by applying RMTM the EEPROM didn't change, but the checksum did (normally it changes with every EEPROM change) :/
post #827 of 1391
Thanks Robert.

Do you have any Non-R1 DVDs and Non-RB BDs to now test with it set to 02? What do you mean by Checksum? It sounds like that isn't part of the EEPROM menu.

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Other thing that I've observed is that by applying RMTM the EEPROM didn't change

Surely it does, no? If the BR region changes and PAL is supported again.
post #828 of 1391
Ok.
1. By changing the EEPROM US values to 02, the whole EEPROM changed back by itself to the UK values - now the PAL DVDs do work properly.
2.The application of the RMTM DVD did not change the EEPROM, only the region in the system info was DVD region 0.
3. The checksum is the line below the EEPROM line in the system summary. it is not in the EEPROM menu is the result of Menu>..>TV Aspect 16/9>Enter>1397139>Enter.
4. I only have multi region BDs and region 2 DVDs (one region 0 DVD).
regs
post #829 of 1391
Thanks Robert.

It's a shame you have no discs to test it with but good to hear the RMTM CD works on the BH100 too, provided you use a DVD.
post #830 of 1391
Hi Bradavon,

I've been following your posts with great interest, and today tried the EEPROM number change on my British BH100 to try and turn it multi region.

Here is what the machine was set to before the change (82):



And here's what it read after the change (02):



I found it still wouldn't play Region 1 SD DVD's (I tried "As Good As It Gets" - Columbia, & "Outland" - Warner)

All I got was this:




Also, when I put in a Region 2 SD DVD (Music & Lyrics from Warner), the picture now stuttered- ie would play then freeze for a couple of frames, then play again, but the sound stayed correct !?!

I did however find that it still played both BD Region B discs I tried perfectly, they were "Ratatouille" - Disney, and "Die Hard 4.0" - Fox.

Unfortunately I am waiting for my first BD Region A disc to arrive from ebay, so I can't confirm the 02 multi-region BD setting works for my machine yet.

Why won't my deck play SD Region 1 DVD's & why does it cause the region 2 SD DVD's to stutter in this way !?!

I have since put the values back to 82, and my BH100 now works properly again (without Multi-Regionality).

You did say that we had to turn off the machine after making changes, does that mean unplugging from the wall, or just putting the player into standby (which is what I did).

Could this have made any difference - obviously the player picked up a change cos it made the SD DVD stutter.

Any thoughts?
post #831 of 1391
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You did say that we had to turn off the machine after making changes, does that mean unplugging from the wall, or just putting the player into standby (which is what I did).

Hi Reebs. I meant putting it into standby but that was more "my personal opinion" than fact. On the BH200 you need to power cycle to switch between BD Regions but not to enable PAL support. I think that's it.

I'm not 100% if it's necessary on the BH100 but to be sure I put that into the info above.

As you have a UK BH100 you obviously don't need PAL support (as you have it anyway). My suggestion would be to try the RMTM hack. Which "seems" to work on the BH100, obviously if you use a DVD:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post13817744

Here's the post from the user who said 02 worked for him. I don't think anyone else has been able to play R1 and R2 DVDs using 02 though:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post13741897

I suspect PAL DVDs started stuttering due to the output settings being altered. Csundbom said when the number was altered the frame rate altered too to match up with PAL (in that link above). I would guess the opposite happened for you (NTSC). Thankfully when you change the codes on the BH200 this doesn't happen.

Yep I'd definitely try the RMTM hack as that won't alter the output settings! That with the 82 code could be the way to go. The RMTM Hack should override whatever SD DVD Region is stored in the code you're using, meaning you can in theory have Region Free (or Region 1-6) plus BD Region A, for example.

On the BH200: 80 (with PAL), 8D (with PAL) and 00 (No PAL) make it BD Region A BUT it's been shown the codes don't usually match up between models. By all means try them to see if they make the BH100 Region A though, checked by the System Info window.

80 has been confirmed to work on the BH100 though, to make it BD Region A. That maybe a good one to test. On the BH200 8D isn't an Official code so use 80 (or 00) before it.

Give the RMTM Hack ago and/or Code 80!


Lastly here's the BH200 hacking thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1010650

My hunch is the two models don't share the same code but you never know. Give the "BH200 Hacking Thread" a read.

Thanks for the photos btw.

Good Luck!
post #832 of 1391
Bradavon, a quick progress report...

Well, I'm no computer expert, but I've spent the best part of 3 hours trying to burn the hack to DVD, but unfortunately 2 failed DVD attempts later I can't get the BH100 to do anything other than spit out either disc saying "Check Disc".

I have, as far as I can tell, followed your instructions to the letter, I've downloaded the hack from the original link, as well as your own link , and they both look the same once onto DVD.

The burned disc contains only the following:

A folder called RMTM0000

inside which is another folder called Scarlet

inside which is a file called kpjc19_1 which is (5,242,884 bytes) in size.

I used Nero to burn the DVD, in the same way I do for LG ISO files for software updates, but my player doesn't like it.

The Iso settings for nero are as you suggested.

I'm sure it must be something I'm doing wrong as another member was able to load the download into his BH100.

As we are both in the U.K, would it perhaps be possible for you to post me a copy of your downloaded DVD to try?

If so I can P.M you my contact details.

Many thanks.
post #833 of 1391
I could do that but to be honest I don't own a BH100 and was only originally interested to find out what will also work on the BH200. I just thought I'd summarise things above, that's all. I've managed to pick up a fair bit over the past few weeks but unlike others haven't test it for myself.

The disc I create will be no different to what you created. I won't be able to test it for myself.

It's sorry to hear you've not got the RMTM hack to work, maybe robert007 was just lucky as the person who originally posted it said it was for the BH200. All I can suggest now is you pm robert007 and ask what he did.

Sorry I cannot be any more help. I'm at a loss what more to suggest.
post #834 of 1391
no worries Bradavon,

just thought I'd ask on the off chance.

I'll get in touch with robert007 and see if he can help.

Can I just say thanks for being able to summarise the ever growing mine field of info regarding this topic, and I do appreciate all you've done on this forum.

If I ever get my BH100 to be fully multi-region both HD & SD I'll let you all know.

Cheers,

Reebs.
post #835 of 1391
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Originally Posted by Reebs View Post

Can I just say thanks for being able to summarise the ever growing mine field of info regarding this topic, and I do appreciate all you've done on this forum.

No worries. Mine field is an understatement

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Originally Posted by Reebs View Post

If I ever get my BH100 to be fully multi-region both HD & SD I'll let you all know.

Thank you.
post #836 of 1391
Hello gys. I just wonder, if anyone's been suuccessful in the meantime to the BH100 region A discs to play. if not, I'm just reporting, I'm watching nor "reservoire dogs" region A coded discs and it works fine (on a UK-settings device). cheers
post #837 of 1391
Aaaaah, the bitter taste of defeat... After much Internet sleuthing, I found the Service Manual for BH-100 (the one for BH-200 does not seem to exist anywhere) - only in...Spanish (for Mexican units). The reasoning was that a service manual is BOUND to have a list of EEPROM codes, thus revealing the controls of the unit, to us, eager Region-decoders. Alas, this comprehensive .pdf ($20 for 111 pages!!!) contains all possible details, including schematics and electrical diagrams and voltage ranges - has only brief half-paragraph on EEPROM and that's just on how to access it and change it. Even though my Spanish is rusty ("Dos cervezas, por favor!) I could tell that the secret I sought is not there. Those of you who think they may find it or need detailed schematics, drop me a line and we can figure out the way to share this volume with you. Who knew that making this baby BD Region-free will be this tedious????
post #838 of 1391
So now it's official - region A BDs work on my BH100 (tested on reservoire dogs). I just came back from shopping, where I tried to play the disc in a video store on a SONY BDP300. The message was disc region mismatch. cheers
post #839 of 1391
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Originally Posted by robert007 View Post

So now it's official - region A BDs work on my BH100 (tested on reservoire dogs). I just came back from shopping, where I tried to play the disc in a video store on a SONY BDP300. The message was disc region mismatch. cheers

Thanks Robert. Could you confirm what your EEPROM string is for us, please? And are you currently running the RMTM CD hack?

Sounds like you've got yourself a good player there!
post #840 of 1391
As well as what Peter says: Have you modified the EEPROM string?
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