Originally Posted by The Scotsman
Originally Posted by kevinuk
Hi guys i have the uk version.
Just updated the firmware to get 1080p/24 , i am using the pioneer elite 95fd Blu ray player and the ex1 toshiba.
The firmware shows the new version what i would like to know is am i getting the 24fps.i have the pioneer set at 1080p24 direct out.
Pj shows under hdmi 1 1080p
signal info says
hor freq 27.0 khz
vert freq 24hz.
problem is i see judder on the credits so am i realy getting it?
hor freq 67.4 khz
vert freq 60hz
i know this needs a force mode.
any help would be much appreciated
I recently succeeded in updating to 1.1.5 and now the projector accepts a forced 24p signal without the flicker that I could see before the update. I do understand that the projector now refreshes at 48 Hz and since that is a multiple of 24, it should be correctly displaying a 24 fps film source. I have a Sony Blu-ray player with 1080p/24 feature. I also have a Toshiba HD-A3 HD-DVD player, which is 1080i with no 24p. Even after the projector software update, I still see motion judder on rolling credits and fast action with an HD-DVD disc. I believe this is because the HD-DVD player is outputting a 60 Hz video signal and the 3:2 processing has kicked in. With the 24p Blu-ray source, there is no such issue because the 3:2 sequence is not necessary. Both players are connected by HDMI to the projector.
Since you are in the UK, you may be interested to know that I have an old UK model Sony DVD player, which I use for my PAL discs. It is a 576i machine which plays those British discs at 50 Hz and gets its 240 volts through a Maplin converter. It is connected to the projector by component video. The motion judder problem on PAL discs is horrendous, especially when compared to the perfect results from Blu-ray playback. I think part of the reason for that is that standard PAL discs are written at 25 fps, in order to match the European mains frequency rate of 50 Hz. Since the movies are shot at 24 fps, I imagine there must be a mismatch in the display refresh rate. This doesn't really answer your question about judder with rolling credits on an HD-DVD disc, assuming your player model is capable of 24p. I can see from the info you posted, that your projector seems to be receiving a 24 Hz signal from your BD player, but 60 Hz from your HD-DVD. Perhaps there is a 3:2 pulldown sequence contributing to any judder you are seeing. Does your Toshiba HD-DVD player need a firmware update to enable 24p? Does the 24p option already appear in your Toshiba set up menu?
It might also be worth mentioning that when playing standard NTSC DVDs, my Sony BD player does not output 24 fps, even although the discs are authored at 24 fps. The 24 fps only works with Blu-ray discs. Perhaps this applies to HD-DVD too. So, if you are running a standard NTSC DVD in your HD-DVD player, I expect you will only see a 60 Hz signal. One thing is for for sure - your projector must be ok, since it is showing 24 Hz off your BD player source.
I also found out that UK released HD-DVDs are not region coded and they are written at 24 fps. I arranged for a friend in Warrington to send me a UK copy of Batman Begins HD-DVD, and it played in the US model HD-A3 just like it was an American version.
Perhaps the answer to your question is that your projector is behaving normally, but there is a lack of 24 Hz from your HD-DVD source.
Aside from all that, I believe that British consumers who buy into the new HD formats, might experience motion judder until a new range of 24 Hz or 48 Hz TVs are widely available.
Archie in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania