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post #121 of 270
I think at this point the best thing to do is call Sharp assistance.
I think that in the upgrade process you lost main power.
post #122 of 270
These IS power, just no picture and unresponsive. Anyway, I've already contacted my dealer. I'll try and call Sharp too.
post #123 of 270
I was meaning a power interruption "while" upgrading that messed up the internal software.
post #124 of 270
Yes, the pj turned off as I was updating. I waited then powered it back on.
post #125 of 270
Good thing with Sharp is that they work with service center. So you may be able to drive there and get it back soon.

The bad thing is that Sharp work with service center. The fact that they fix video-camera, VHS player etc..Doesn't mean that they are skill enought to work on your high end piece of equipement.

Does the computer you use to perform the upgrade have an RS232 port or you have one of those USB-RS232 adapter?

Bruno
post #126 of 270
Bruno,

I contacted my dealer and he told me not to call Sharp. He will take care of it himself. I used a null serial cable with an serial extender. My PC is about 25 feet from the PJ. When I updated, the pj turned off. I waited a bit. I plugged it back in, then no picture. I think I should have waited a bit more longer before I plugged it back in. My pj is off the ceiling now. I'll try updating again, this time with a shorter cable. BTW, when I retried updating last night, the tera menu showed "ERR" message.
post #127 of 270
Tried updating again with pj on (plugged in) and unplugged. When plugged in, I get "ERR" message, when unplugged. just blinking cursor.
post #128 of 270
I have a Sharp XV-Z20000, which is still on software version 1.0.9 and is unable to handle 24p. I've read a trail of posts on this subject and I am confused as to whether I should use a null modem cable or a regular RS232 cable. Can someone please clarify?

I am also unable to locate the update file on the Sharp web site and I wonder if anyone can send it or tell me where to get it.

How about you Francis Medina - did you fix your problem?

Thanks
Archie
post #129 of 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis Medina View Post

Bruno,

I contacted my dealer and he told me not to call Sharp. He will take care of it himself. I used a null serial cable with an serial extender. My PC is about 25 feet from the PJ. When I updated, the pj turned off. I waited a bit. I plugged it back in, then no picture. I think I should have waited a bit more longer before I plugged it back in. My pj is off the ceiling now. I'll try updating again, this time with a shorter cable. BTW, when I retried updating last night, the tera menu showed "ERR" message.


I've used both types of cables, and can't get interaction between the PC and the projector. When I click on the write.bat file, the CMD black screen flashes briefly, as if it's attempting to do something, but then blanks out. I never get any indication from eithe the projector or the PC that anything is being loaded. The proof is that I still have the 1.09 firmware version.

Any ideas would be appreciated. Is it possible to reduce the program to a CD-Rom that could be run, and then attached via the serial port?

Thanks,

Nick
post #130 of 270
Nick,

Open a command window and change to the directory the write.bat file is in. Then run write.bat from there. That way if it is showing an error message you could see it.

Shawn
post #131 of 270
I have not been successful in updating my XV-Z20000, which is at 1.0.9. My HP laptop has XP Pro but has no 9 pin serial port, so I am using a 'Socket Dual I/O' via the PCMCIA interface. It has assigned ports 8 and 9 to its two 9-pin male sockets. I have edited write_bwh.TTL to Comport=8. When I double click on the shortcut (write.bat and then gibberish), a DOS window opens. Also, a Tera Term window opens, but it says [disconnected] VT along the top. The 9 pin port 8 is connected by null modem to the RS232C socket on the projector and the RS232C port is enabled on the projector. I also see that the unzipped file name is complete gibberish. Is it corrupt, or is it meant to be like that? On the Tera Term window, I tried clicking setup->serial port and the possible range of serial ports is only 1-4. How do I set it to port 8? Is that why it says disconnected?

Is there anyone out there willing to provide live help? I am in Pennsylvania USA. Even if you are overseas, I will pay for the call. I am determined to do this firmware upgrade without having to remove the projector from the ceiling and take it to a Sharp service center.

Any offers of advice or assistance via this forum or by phone would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Archie
post #132 of 270
Hi guys i have the uk version.
Help please
Just updated the firmware to get 1080p/24 , i am using the pioneer elite 95fd Blu ray player and the ex1 toshiba.
The firmware shows the new version what i would like to know is am i getting the 24fps.i have the pioneer set at 1080p24 direct out.
Pj shows under hdmi 1 1080p
signal info says
resolution 1080p
hor freq 27.0 khz
vert freq 24hz.
problem is i see judder on the credits so am i realy getting it?
Hd-dvd says
resolution 1080p
hor freq 67.4 khz
vert freq 60hz
i know this needs a force mode.
any help would be much appreciated
post #133 of 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinuk View Post

Hi guys i have the uk version.
Help please
Just updated the firmware to get 1080p/24 , i am using the pioneer elite 95fd Blu ray player and the ex1 toshiba.
The firmware shows the new version what i would like to know is am i getting the 24fps.i have the pioneer set at 1080p24 direct out.
Pj shows under hdmi 1 1080p
signal info says
resolution 1080p
hor freq 27.0 khz
vert freq 24hz.
problem is i see judder on the credits so am i realy getting it?
Hd-dvd says
resolution 1080p
hor freq 67.4 khz
vert freq 60hz
i know this needs a force mode.
any help would be much appreciated

Anyone?
post #134 of 270
Originally Posted by kevinuk
Hi guys i have the uk version.
Help please
Just updated the firmware to get 1080p/24 , i am using the pioneer elite 95fd Blu ray player and the ex1 toshiba.
The firmware shows the new version what i would like to know is am i getting the 24fps.i have the pioneer set at 1080p24 direct out.
Pj shows under hdmi 1 1080p
signal info says
resolution 1080p
hor freq 27.0 khz
vert freq 24hz.
problem is i see judder on the credits so am i realy getting it?
Hd-dvd says
resolution 1080p
hor freq 67.4 khz
vert freq 60hz
i know this needs a force mode.
any help would be much appreciated

Hi Kevin

I recently succeeded in updating to 1.1.5 and now the projector accepts a forced 24p signal without the flicker that I could see before the update. I do understand that the projector now refreshes at 48 Hz and since that is a multiple of 24, it should be correctly displaying a 24 fps film source. I have a Sony Blu-ray player with 1080p/24 feature. I also have a Toshiba HD-A3 HD-DVD player, which is 1080i with no 24p. Even after the projector software update, I still see motion judder on rolling credits and fast action with an HD-DVD disc. I believe this is because the HD-DVD player is outputting a 60 Hz video signal and the 3:2 processing has kicked in. With the 24p Blu-ray source, there is no such issue because the 3:2 sequence is not necessary. Both players are connected by HDMI to the projector.

Since you are in the UK, you may be interested to know that I have an old UK model Sony DVD player, which I use for my PAL discs. It is a 576i machine which plays those British discs at 50 Hz and gets its 240 volts through a Maplin converter. It is connected to the projector by component video. The motion judder problem on PAL discs is horrendous, especially when compared to the perfect results from Blu-ray playback. I think part of the reason for that is that standard PAL discs are written at 25 fps, in order to match the European mains frequency rate of 50 Hz. Since the movies are shot at 24 fps, I imagine there must be a mismatch in the display refresh rate. This doesn't really answer your question about judder with rolling credits on an HD-DVD disc, assuming your player model is capable of 24p. I can see from the info you posted, that your projector seems to be receiving a 24 Hz signal from your BD player, but 60 Hz from your HD-DVD. Perhaps there is a 3:2 pulldown sequence contributing to any judder you are seeing. Does your Toshiba HD-DVD player need a firmware update to enable 24p? Does the 24p option already appear in your Toshiba set up menu?

It might also be worth mentioning that when playing standard NTSC DVDs, my Sony BD player does not output 24 fps, even although the discs are authored at 24 fps. The 24 fps only works with Blu-ray discs. Perhaps this applies to HD-DVD too. So, if you are running a standard NTSC DVD in your HD-DVD player, I expect you will only see a 60 Hz signal. One thing is for for sure - your projector must be ok, since it is showing 24 Hz off your BD player source.

I also found out that UK released HD-DVDs are not region coded and they are written at 24 fps. I arranged for a friend in Warrington to send me a UK copy of Batman Begins HD-DVD, and it played in the US model HD-A3 just like it was an American version.

Perhaps the answer to your question is that your projector is behaving normally, but there is a lack of 24 Hz from your HD-DVD source.

Aside from all that, I believe that British consumers who buy into the new HD formats, might experience motion judder until a new range of 24 Hz or 48 Hz TVs are widely available.

Cheers
Archie in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
post #135 of 270
Please,

can someone email the firmware update to my email: marcelo@pileggi.com.br.

Many thanks in advanced.
post #136 of 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcelo Pileggi View Post

Please,

can someone email the firmware update to my email: marcelo@pileggi.com.br.

Many thanks in advanced.


Your adresse doesn't work
post #137 of 270
Are any of you successfully using a Panasonic BD30 @ 1080p/24 with the Z-20000?
post #138 of 270
Kev,

As far as i know the toshiba xe1 doesnt have forced 24hz output yet but will be in the future via update

Steve

Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinuk View Post

Anyone?
post #139 of 270
Hello,

I got the upgrade file and tried to perform the upgrade with a USBtoSerial cable from my laptop and an added serial female-to-female adapter.
Well, it did not work, the screen stayed empty and nothing happened.
Then, curious about this null modem thing, I went and checked in wikipedia about the real definition of a null modem serial cable.
There I found out that it has a whole different cabling pattern then a regular serial cable.
My conclusion is that i need that cable and I will connect it to my laptop with the USB-to-serial cable.
Can anybody confirm this configuration will work?

Thanks
post #140 of 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtrips View Post

Hello,

I got the upgrade file and tried to perform the upgrade with a USBtoSerial cable from my laptop and an added serial female-to-female adapter.
Well, it did not work, the screen stayed empty and nothing happened.
Then, curious about this null modem thing, I went and checked in wikipedia about the real definition of a null modem serial cable.
There I found out that it has a whole different cabling pattern then a regular serial cable.
My conclusion is that i need that cable and I will connect it to my laptop with the USB-to-serial cable.
Can anybody confirm this configuration will work?

Thanks

Yes, this will work as the pin # 6 and 8 are switched in a null modem cable. Not sure if the pin numbers are exactly correct but the outcome will work because it went fine for me.

Hope this helps.
post #141 of 270
Could some kind soul please send me the update for my European version XVZ21000

to : steve@gm-plastics.co.uk

Thanks

GB
post #142 of 270
Not trying to be a wise guy but is all the headaches with the update really worth it? My 20000 was built on a production date of nov. 16 2007 and it looks no different than my friends updated 20000.

This projector produces an image rivaling my neighbors sim 2 c3x. He hates that.
post #143 of 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by frank456 View Post

Not trying to be a wise guy but is all the headaches with the update really worth it? My 20000 was built on a production date of nov. 16 2007 and it looks no different than my friends updated 20000.
..

The update is only useful to get rid of the "white flashes" when input is 24hz. No other changes in PQ.
Maybe yours, being a new one, is already updated from factory.
post #144 of 270
Hi guys,

Now I have this really, really dumb question.
I will perform the upgrade soon when I'll get my null modem cable by mail but I still don't know if i need this upgrade anyway.
When do I encounter, if ever, a movie that have a 24Hz output?
To clarify my point all the movies I see are downloaded from newsgroups so it's mkv, avi, wmv, and of course blu-ray and hd-dvd hdd dumps.

Thanks
post #145 of 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtrips View Post

...When do I encounter, if ever, a movie that have a 24Hz output?
..Thanks

All Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs are encoded at 24hz, except some live video concert.
With a player capable of a "direct" mode you can output a 1080/24p pristine signal to your vpr and verify if it plays smooth or not.
post #146 of 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by locutus2k View Post

All Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs are encoded at 24hz, except some live video concert.
With a player capable of a "direct" mode you can output a 1080/24p pristine signal to your vpr and verify if it plays smooth or not.

Uuuuh?
So you say I might see a difference on blu-ray and hddvd?
But the quality is already stunning (to me at least) and I never saw any flashes or whatever.
I use an HTPC with an nVidia 8600GTS card and PowerDVD Ultra 3104a (to be able to play from the HDD).
Did I miss something? Do you have any recommendations?

Thanks
post #147 of 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtrips View Post

Uuuuh?
....Did I miss something? Do you have any recommendations?

Thanks

You have to output a 24p "direct" signal.
By default i suspect the signal you are outputting is a 1080p60.
Inspect your player and pc video output to find out. Or try a stand alone palyer as the new Pioneer that have a pristine "direct 24p" mode.
post #148 of 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_T View Post

Kev,

As far as i know the toshiba xe1 doesnt have forced 24hz output yet but will be in the future via update

Steve

Thanks Steve i hope your right.
post #149 of 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Scotsman View Post

Originally Posted by kevinuk
Hi guys i have the uk version.
Help please
Just updated the firmware to get 1080p/24 , i am using the pioneer elite 95fd Blu ray player and the ex1 toshiba.
The firmware shows the new version what i would like to know is am i getting the 24fps.i have the pioneer set at 1080p24 direct out.
Pj shows under hdmi 1 1080p
signal info says
resolution 1080p
hor freq 27.0 khz
vert freq 24hz.
problem is i see judder on the credits so am i realy getting it?
Hd-dvd says
resolution 1080p
hor freq 67.4 khz
vert freq 60hz
i know this needs a force mode.
any help would be much appreciated

Hi Kevin

I recently succeeded in updating to 1.1.5 and now the projector accepts a forced 24p signal without the flicker that I could see before the update. I do understand that the projector now refreshes at 48 Hz and since that is a multiple of 24, it should be correctly displaying a 24 fps film source. I have a Sony Blu-ray player with 1080p/24 feature. I also have a Toshiba HD-A3 HD-DVD player, which is 1080i with no 24p. Even after the projector software update, I still see motion judder on rolling credits and fast action with an HD-DVD disc. I believe this is because the HD-DVD player is outputting a 60 Hz video signal and the 3:2 processing has kicked in. With the 24p Blu-ray source, there is no such issue because the 3:2 sequence is not necessary. Both players are connected by HDMI to the projector.

Since you are in the UK, you may be interested to know that I have an old UK model Sony DVD player, which I use for my PAL discs. It is a 576i machine which plays those British discs at 50 Hz and gets its 240 volts through a Maplin converter. It is connected to the projector by component video. The motion judder problem on PAL discs is horrendous, especially when compared to the perfect results from Blu-ray playback. I think part of the reason for that is that standard PAL discs are written at 25 fps, in order to match the European mains frequency rate of 50 Hz. Since the movies are shot at 24 fps, I imagine there must be a mismatch in the display refresh rate. This doesn't really answer your question about judder with rolling credits on an HD-DVD disc, assuming your player model is capable of 24p. I can see from the info you posted, that your projector seems to be receiving a 24 Hz signal from your BD player, but 60 Hz from your HD-DVD. Perhaps there is a 3:2 pulldown sequence contributing to any judder you are seeing. Does your Toshiba HD-DVD player need a firmware update to enable 24p? Does the 24p option already appear in your Toshiba set up menu?

It might also be worth mentioning that when playing standard NTSC DVDs, my Sony BD player does not output 24 fps, even although the discs are authored at 24 fps. The 24 fps only works with Blu-ray discs. Perhaps this applies to HD-DVD too. So, if you are running a standard NTSC DVD in your HD-DVD player, I expect you will only see a 60 Hz signal. One thing is for for sure - your projector must be ok, since it is showing 24 Hz off your BD player source.

I also found out that UK released HD-DVDs are not region coded and they are written at 24 fps. I arranged for a friend in Warrington to send me a UK copy of Batman Begins HD-DVD, and it played in the US model HD-A3 just like it was an American version.

Perhaps the answer to your question is that your projector is behaving normally, but there is a lack of 24 Hz from your HD-DVD source.

Aside from all that, I believe that British consumers who buy into the new HD formats, might experience motion judder until a new range of 24 Hz or 48 Hz TVs are widely available.

Cheers
Archie in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania

Thanks very much for your help was confused when i saw 27.00 khz.
post #150 of 270
Hello,

I am one step before proceeding with the upgrade but just out of curiousity I checked my HTPC if it could output such a frequency. Well it doesn't. The lowest refresh rate available with the latest nVidia driver is 25 Hz.
So I am wondering, did any of you connect an HTPC to the Sharp 21000 and get a 1080/24p output and how?

Thanks
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