The Official 3D Thread - Page 66

Originally Posted by taz291819

Ok, I tested lying down on my side. While it doesn't make it look like the glasses are turned off (as in, seeing a blurry image), it does effect the pronunciation of the 3D effect. It basically makes it look 2D. The 3D effect is way too subtle.

With that said, I could tilt my head a good 30-degrees in either direction, and the 3D effect was still excellent.

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Some questions:

When a BD player sends it's signal from the SoC to the HDMI chip, isn't the audio and video sent as a combined signal?

When that signal is sent to a 1.3 receiver (one that decodes HD audio) it is received as a single signal - audio and video combined?

To make the HDMI HDCP handshake, doesn't the HDMI chip in the receiver have to recognize the signal being sent from the BD player?

Once recognized and the handshake is complete - doesn't the HDMI chip send the combined signal to the two different parts of the receiver - to the audio decoding section and seperately to the HDMI output that is used to send the signal to the HDMI receiving chip in the HDTV where onece aagin, the handshake has to happen to get an image?

Originally Posted by taz291819

And once again, regarding the HDMI 1.4/1.3 compatibility, I haven't heard anything from Directv/Sky saying folks will lose the ability to pass audio over HDMI with their 3D (which will be done on firmware upgradable HDMI 1.3 systems, sort of like the PS3). Yes, they'll use frame packing, but frame packing is a mandatory part of the HDMI 1.4 spec.

Regardless, I guess we'll find out in about a month or so.

The question is, who's going to be first and purchase a Samsung 3D BD player to answer the question? I'm using Samsung as a suggestion, since they said it'll come with the 3D BD of Monsters Vs. Aliens.

Originally Posted by BobearQSI

Yes - audio data is sent between video frames.

I'm not an expert on HDCP, but I believe the handshake is independent of the format of the video, ie it could be 480p, 1080i, whatever. Regarding the video itself, there is a very nice diagram on page "7 of 26" of the 1.4 3D portion spec I downloaded according to your instructions, but essentially this shows how it works. The audio is transmitted during "Vertical Blanking Interval" aka VBI. An audio receiver has logic to detect the VBI and ignore the active video portion. So to the receiver, it just looks like a really weird aspect ratio of 1920x2205 or something. But the receiver still has the logic to separate audio from any size video. And signal wise, the 3D signal just looks like a really tall video frame, but the TV knows how to extract it to L/R.

This standard is based on DVI, which is used in monitors. As an example, my projector is 16:9 1920x1080. Even though my projector's EDID only lists HDTV modes as supported, as well as my receiver's manual, I can connect to the computer and force 1280x1024 mode and it gets passed through and displayed.


In this regard, it is entirely up to the receiver, and some may work, some may not, some may with a FW upgrade, etc. My guess would be that the receiver simply repeats whatever signal it gets, as this would be the cheapest solution that doesn't require decoding and re-encoding the video signal. In this sense, the output port would act very much like the original signal splitter.

Originally Posted by BobearQSI

I also noticed in the HDMI spec released, regarding bandwidth:
If the 3D system supports the 2D 1080p60 format, then it must also support:
3D Full 1080p per eye @ 24Hz
3D Full 720p per eye @ 60Hz

Now, this is just a minimum requirement, it doesn't say a device can't support higher, but both of those would fit into the bandwidth of HDMI 1.3 assuming the 3D 720p didn't use deep color.

This does sound like good news for those who don't want to replace in-the-wall HDMI 1.3 cables, etc, in order to upgrade to full 1080p24 per eye.

Originally Posted by taz291819

Ok, I tested lying down on my side. While it doesn't make it look like the glasses are turned off (as in, seeing a blurry image), it does effect the pronunciation of the 3D effect. It basically makes it look 2D. The 3D effect is way too subtle.

With that said, I could tilt my head a good 30-degrees in either direction, and the 3D effect was still excellent.

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

isn't the EDID different with a 3D signal than a 2D signal?

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

So what part does EDID play in the signal?

Isn't EDID part of the HDMI specs?

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Wasn't that the recent change made to accomodate the over/under 3D format that was wanted?

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Bobear:

Please look at the section called SURROUND SOUND RECEIVERS in this link:

http://hdguru.com/

Do you agree or disagree with Gary?

Your only solution will be to replace your receiver with a new one that’s 3D compatible or use one of a number of available“work arounds.”

Originally Posted by CINERAMAX

I spoke to DoReMi top person regarding this new "format" and he did confirm DoReMi will be incoporating as part of the new hdmi 1.4 product releases in Q3.

This applies to the dimension 3-D box and the Integrated Media Block for Digital Cinema Projectors.

Originally Posted by davehancock

Or, Bobear, do you agree that it is possible to solve the problem with using a powered HDMI splitter. The splitter relays the EDID data from the primary HDMI connection back to the source (so that is what the source responds to) and duplicates the data to both outputs?

Incidently, I note that the piece says:



The splitter approach could be one of that number!

Also, the EDID will not change after being read. Windows actually takes advantage of this and will cache the EDID for any devices. So the same EDID block should be used whether a 1.4 or 1.3 device is connected. Thus, if you can connect the device only to the receiver, and can get audio, and you can connect the device to the TV and get a 3D picture, then you should be able to use a splitter and get both.

If the device will not work with any 1.3 receiver period, even directly connected, then in that case a splitter alone won't fix it.

Originally Posted by CINERAMAX

Lee, it is here now:It seems to have been updated this morning.

http://www.doremilabs.com/appnotes/D...conversion.pdf

Originally Posted by CINERAMAX

I wonder how the new 2205 by 1920 O/U format going to be supported by htpc's and their video cards?

Originally Posted by JamesE

For people with HT computers, will they need a new video card to play the 3D movies?

Originally Posted by bdraw

Just wanted to let you guys knows that the BDA reps fed me missinformation and I posted it here -- as well as others. Yesterday someone leaked a page from the actual BDA 3D spec and it does raise the maximum bitrate for MVC encoded 3D titles from 40Mbps to 60Mbps and yes this does require a 2x speed BD ROM drive.

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

He already answered your question - post 1931:

Originally Posted by CINERAMAX

I wonder how the new 2205 by 1920 O/U format going to be supported by htpc's and their video cards?

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

What is your 3D setup?

Originally Posted by davehancock

There is a BIG difference between studios using various tools to craft a realistic looking 3D presentation from 2D material and some sort of fixed automatic circuitry in a TV set to make uncontrolled synthetic 3D material from 2D.

geister didn't make clear which he was referring to, but I suspect that he was asking about the "built-in" automatic variety.

And yes, I'd like to see comments from anyone who has seen the "built-in" pseudo 3D generator process in action.

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Bobear:

Please look at the section called SURROUND SOUND RECEIVERS in this link:

http://hdguru.com/

Do you agree or disagree with Gary?

PS: thank you for taking the time to answer my question . . .

Clear as . . . mud!

No really - thank you.