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post #31 of 4604
2/3/07 at 9:39am
jwebb -

Awesome! Just saved it in my archives, and printed it out for inclusion in my on location cheat sheets!


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post #32 of 4604
2/3/07 at 11:16am
I'll give this a try tonight. Anyone go back and see if any service menu items you had changed in the TA1360 menu went back to their defaults? I'm gonna write mine down first before I perform this update.
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post #33 of 4604
2/3/07 at 12:04pm
I tested out the fix last night and it seems to work flawlessly. I tried playing my PS3 for around half an hour without a single hiccup. That's never happened before. Cheers to JWebb. Indeed the internet is a wonderful thing.

Just a personal warning that Hitachi's Canadian Tech Support has been useless as it gets with this issue. I don't want to go on the attack here but any Canucks reading this thread should avoid their help if they don't want to become extremely angry and frustrated. Not only are they pathetically mis-informed but also, in a weird way, defensive in the "support" that they offer. I currently have an open complaint with the BBB against them. [end rant]

This board has been such a great discovery for me. Thanks again JWebb!
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post #34 of 4604
2/3/07 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by Lee Bailey View Post

I'll give this a try tonight. Anyone go back and see if any service menu items you had changed in the TA1360 menu went back to their defaults? I'm gonna write mine down first before I perform this update.

I haven't gone into the TA1360 menu but I have checked the White BAL STD settings and they were still intact. I did notice that the V019 version did not change to the magenta color if change was accepted. If I go into SM the changes I have made are still there.
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post #35 of 4604
2/3/07 at 4:38pm
its does not take long to do its just a lot of clicking and i mean a lot and make sure u hit select
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post #36 of 4604
2/4/07 at 10:42am
Is this fix legit? I have been delaying my purchase of a HDMI upconverting dvd player until there was a solid fix for the HDMI issue.
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post #37 of 4604
2/4/07 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by mhall812 View Post

Is this fix legit? I have been delaying my purchase of a HDMI upconverting dvd player until there was a solid fix for the HDMI issue.

Yes. Came from an actual January, 2007 Hitachi Service Bulletin that was sent to all Authorized Service Centers.
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post #38 of 4604
2/4/07 at 2:39pm
As an Authorized Servicer, I can also confirm that the bulletin is official. As to whether it actually fixes anything will remain to be seen. (I have not done one myself) Engineering changes don't always have the desired effect.
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post #39 of 4604
2/4/07 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by badbird94 View Post

I haven't gone into the TA1360 menu but I have checked the White BAL STD settings and they were still intact. I did notice that the V019 version did not change to the magenta color if change was accepted. If I go into SM the changes I have made are still there.

I take it that you powered off the TV, then unplugged it from the wall for at least 5 seconds? I tried this out last night, and it now shows the version in magenta as claimed. Also, it did not change any of my other SM changes.
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post #40 of 4604
2/4/07 at 3:54pm
I can attest that this fix absolutely works. I've been using my Sony DVD player and PS3 all weekend with only a couple of minor hiccups (a one second black screen while playing Resistance and a two second "picture-shift" while watching an upscaled DVD ( the entire screen moves about 10% horizontally and then re-centers). Still, though, it's a massive improvement over before where I couldn't go more than 10 minutes without some screwy issue (particularily with the PS3).

Definate thumbs up to this tweak so far.
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post #41 of 4604
2/4/07 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by Lee Bailey View Post

I take it that you powered off the TV, then unplugged it from the wall for at least 5 seconds? I tried this out last night, and it now shows the version in magenta as claimed. Also, it did not change any of my other SM changes.

I got it to stick-It helps when you use the right input.
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post #42 of 4604
2/4/07 at 7:47pm
The service menu changes had no effect on my HDMI problem. I confirmed they stuck (a pink V195 is displayed in the service menu now).



Colors are all messed up at 1080i via HDMI (on the left in that pic). Colors are just fine at 1080i via component.

I guess I'll call Hitachi back (they left me a message about this service bulletin)... they'll probably want to send a tech out to do this service menu tweak so, for my warranties sake, is it best to put it back to how it was and make no mention of how I changed it myself and it didn't work?
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post #43 of 4604
2/4/07 at 7:50pm
I made the SM changes last night and watched the entire super bowl through the Comcast (Moto) HD DVR without any HDMI issues.
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post #44 of 4604
2/5/07 at 5:01am
JWebb: Thanks for the HDMI fix.

Only have my HTPC hooked up via HDMI and the freakouts were very sporadic. If this completely eliminates them, I'll probably get an HDMI switcher and move everything I can to that input.

Plan on picking up a PS3 when Motorstorm is released, so hopefully this completely solves the issue.
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post #45 of 4604
2/5/07 at 7:26am
dO YOU KNOW WHAT STEPS TO TAKE TO HAVE THE SIDE BARS DISAPPEAR FROM ALL CHANNELS
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post #46 of 4604
2/5/07 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by KingSolomon69 View Post

dO YOU KNOW WHAT STEPS TO TAKE TO HAVE THE SIDE BARS DISAPPEAR FROM ALL CHANNELS

If you're talking about all 480i material, you can change the default aspect to 4:3 zoom or stretch in the user menus. You may have to then manually change to 16:9 when watching HD.
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post #47 of 4604
2/5/07 at 8:38am
Hey guys. Good work making this thread. I think it will help a lot of people out.

My dad purchased a 51F59A in November, our family was looking into getting an HDTV during the black friday sales. My dad ended up getting a great deal on the set from circuit city and we were all very excited about it. Especially me, since i'm a big gamer and had just purchased a Wii and PS3, with my 360 upstairs on our family SDTV craving an HDTV to really shine. (Even though i'm incredibly paranoid about burn-in.)

In my household I was the biggest supporter or spending all this money to buy a new tv. But now i'm feeling a bit guilty. Something is off about the picture quality. The middle of the display is beautiful, with a very sharp picture (according to my noob HDTV eyes). But towards the sides of the display it becomes very blurry. This is most apparent on the 360 dashboard and the ps3's XMB GUI. Text very blurry, especially in contrast to text towards the center of the screen.

I've tried to do magic convergence to fix the picture, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. I've also tried to tweak many of the menu settings to no avail. I'm using similar ones to everyone here with lee's suggested settings. As i said before, i'm not expert as this is my first HD set, but i'm very anxious to fix the quality. Might there be any tweaks in the servicer's menu that i should try? Or is the TV a good candidate for being returned? Any other advice?

(Also, i haven't seen many problems via HDMI on ps3. Does this happen to everyone?)

Thanks guys.
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post #48 of 4604
2/5/07 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by CerMakAlot View Post

Hey guys. Good work making this thread. I think it will help a lot of people out.

My dad purchased a 51F59A in November, our family was looking into getting an HDTV during the black friday sales. My dad ended up getting a great deal on the set from circuit city and we were all very excited about it. Especially me, since i'm a big gamer and had just purchased a Wii and PS3, with my 360 upstairs on our family SDTV craving an HDTV to really shine. (Even though i'm incredibly paranoid about burn-in.)

In my household I was the biggest supporter or spending all this money to buy a new tv. But now i'm feeling a bit guilty. Something is off about the picture quality. The middle of the display is beautiful, with a very sharp picture (according to my noob HDTV eyes). But towards the sides of the display it becomes very blurry. This is most apparent on the 360 dashboard and the ps3's XMB GUI. Text very blurry, especially in contrast to text towards the center of the screen.

I've tried to do magic convergence to fix the picture, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. I've also tried to tweak many of the menu settings to no avail. I'm using similar ones to everyone here with lee's suggested settings. As i said before, i'm not expert as this is my first HD set, but i'm very anxious to fix the quality. Might there be any tweaks in the servicer's menu that i should try? Or is the TV a good candidate for being returned? Any other advice?

(Also, i haven't seen many problems via HDMI on ps3. Does this happen to everyone?)

Thanks guys.

To answer the easy question. No not everyone has HDMI issues. I dont.

I have a 360 and it looks great . No blurriness at all . And this was before I even tweaked anything. You shouyld not have blurry sides.

Check over all your menu settings and see if something is activated that shouldnt be like noise reduction. Give us a run down of your settings and how your connected to the tv.
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post #49 of 4604
2/5/07 at 9:28am
My settings are as follows:

Contrast: 40
Brightness 45
Color 48
Tint centered
Sharpness 40
Color Temp standard
All enhancements off

With my ps3 i'm connected by HDMI
Wii&360 connection is component cable.

Let me know if you need any other settings.

Edit: Just now, i experienced the picture jump a tad off screen from my tv. So it appears it is a problem for me as well. Now i'm even more thankful for this thread.
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post #50 of 4604
2/5/07 at 9:38am
I tried the HDMI fix last night and it didn't work for me.

Checked to see if the settings stuck after unplugging and they did.

I'm using an Oppo 970HD hooked via HDMI.

Watched 1 DVD and almost immediately had the shift issue, which happened several times during the movie.
Haven't had any other issues yet (TV turning off, green screen, pink screen, etc)

Maybe it fixed those issues, I'll report back when I've watched some more DVDs

*Thank you jwebb for posting this, even if it doesn't work for me, it might work for others.
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post #51 of 4604
2/5/07 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by djphil20 View Post

I tried the HDMI fix last night and it didn't work for me.

Checked to see if the settings stuck after unplugging and they did.

I'm using an Oppo 970HD hooked via HDMI.

Watched 1 DVD and almost immediately had the shift issue, which happened several times during the movie.
Haven't had any other issues yet (TV turning off, green screen, pink screen, etc)

Maybe it fixed those issues, I'll report back when I've watched some more DVDs

*Thank you jwebb for posting this, even if it doesn't work for me, it might work for others.

Do you mean a horizontal shift in the picture? Like a momentary horizontal shift that corrects itself after a second or 2?

Don't think the HDMI fix addresses this---or can. Prior to applying the fix to my set, the only HDMI "freakout" I'd experienced was the horizontal shift. However, if your picture via HDMI was changing color/tint, causing the set to turn off, etc., this fix does address these problems.

I use a Sony DVP-NS75H upconverting DVD player via HDMI. After about a month of very regular use, I had noticed this shift occuring very infrequently (maybe 4-3 times max in the last 30+ days). And it's only ever happened once during a movie, that I've seen, and then only one time out of maybe 5-6 DVDs watched.

When researching this on the DVD player threads, I found that other Sony users have had this happen as well. And this was happening with various makes/models/types of HDTVs. Apparently, Sony's predecessor to the 75H had this problem, but even more so. I've also read/heard about other HDMI gear occasionally experiencing momentary horizontal shifts.

While I couldn't say with 100% certainty, it seems that the shift issue may just be yet another problem stemming from the lack of HDMI standardization or some other HDMI-related bug. Likely a reason as to why SimplayHD doesn't have a single HDMI DVD player on their list of "certified compatable" equipment--whereas Hitachi is one of the manufacturers SimplayHD lists as producing "SimplayHD-Certified" TVs. So the shift is not a fault of Hitachi or their TVs. This is the first time I've heard this happening w/ an Oppo. If it's happening a lot with you, I'd consider contacting Oppo about it. That company is all about customer service and may even have some sort of firmware/software fix available that addresses the shift issue.

Something Sony will likely NEVER have!
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post #52 of 4604
2/5/07 at 10:29am
Yes, that is exatcly what it is, shifting 2-3 inches horizontally to the left for a few seconds, then shifting back.
I'll test a bit more, and if no other HDMI problems occur, I will contact Oppo about the shift issue.

The reason I thought it was Hitachi related is because I had the same shifting issue with my Sony DVP75* player, but now I know Sony also shows this problem.
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post #53 of 4604
2/5/07 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by CerMakAlot View Post

Hey guys. Good work making this thread. I think it will help a lot of people out.

My dad purchased a 51F59A in November, our family was looking into getting an HDTV during the black friday sales. My dad ended up getting a great deal on the set from circuit city and we were all very excited about it. Especially me, since i'm a big gamer and had just purchased a Wii and PS3, with my 360 upstairs on our family SDTV craving an HDTV to really shine. (Even though i'm incredibly paranoid about burn-in.)

In my household I was the biggest supporter or spending all this money to buy a new tv. But now i'm feeling a bit guilty. Something is off about the picture quality. The middle of the display is beautiful, with a very sharp picture (according to my noob HDTV eyes). But towards the sides of the display it becomes very blurry. This is most apparent on the 360 dashboard and the ps3's XMB GUI. Text very blurry, especially in contrast to text towards the center of the screen.

I've tried to do magic convergence to fix the picture, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. I've also tried to tweak many of the menu settings to no avail. I'm using similar ones to everyone here with lee's suggested settings. As i said before, i'm not expert as this is my first HD set, but i'm very anxious to fix the quality. Might there be any tweaks in the servicer's menu that i should try? Or is the TV a good candidate for being returned? Any other advice?

(Also, i haven't seen many problems via HDMI on ps3. Does this happen to everyone?)

Thanks guys.

I would definitely call this in for service. They need to check the set's mechanical focus. Register this online with Hitachi, then call Circuit City for service, since that is what Hitachi will tell you to do anyways. If it can't be fixed to your satisfaction, you may have to deal directly with Hitachi to get it fixed if CC won't replace it.

Have you tried the 117pt convergence in the Magic Focus menu? You can see if your convergence is off there, and adjust it. Magic Focus does not actually FOCUS anything, it is trying to adjust convergence.
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post #54 of 4604
2/5/07 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by CerMakAlot View Post

(Also, i haven't seen many problems via HDMI on ps3. Does this happen to everyone?)

Apparently not. I never had one of the picture freakouts that others have had/the HDMI fix addresses using my Sony DVD player via HDMI. Still applied the HDMI fix anyway---just to be up to date, software-wise.

And yeah, like Lee said, get Hitachi on the "fuzzy picture" problem. Sounds like your focus might need some adjustments.
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post #55 of 4604
2/5/07 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

I use a Sony DVP-NS75H upconverting DVD player via HDMI.

When researching this on the DVD player threads, I found that other Sony users have had this happen as well. And this was happening with various makes/models/types of HDTVs. Apparently, Sony's predecessor to the 75H had this problem, but even more so. I've also read/heard about other HDMI gear occasionally experiencing momentary horizontal shifts.

While I couldn't say with 100% certainty, it seems that the shift issue may just be yet another problem stemming from the lack of HDMI standardization or some other HDMI-related bug. Likely a reason as to why SimplayHD doesn't have a single HDMI DVD player on their list of "certified compatable" equipment--whereas Hitachi is one of the manufacturers SimplayHD lists as producing "SimplayHD-Certified" TVs. So the shift is not a fault of Hitachi or their TVs. This is the first time I've heard this happening w/ an Oppo. If it's happening a lot with you, I'd consider contacting Oppo about it. That company is all about customer service and may even have some sort of firmware/software fix available that addresses the shift issue.

Something Sony will likely NEVER have!

Wow! This is great to know. I have exactly the same DVD player as you as well as a PS3. I wonder if this has something to do with Sony firmware?
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post #56 of 4604
2/5/07 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by CloakedPuppet View Post

Wow! This is great to know. I have exactly the same DVD player as you as well as a PS3. I wonder if this has something to do with Sony firmware?

Possible. But djphil (who I had responded to with the post you last quoted) was having HDMI horiz. shift w/ an Oppo player. And I've heard other shift issues going on with various HDMI gear before.

May just be a overall HDMI bug. Don't know.
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post #57 of 4604
2/5/07 at 1:01pm
Same problem with Sony and Panasonic dvd player ...Its the T.V
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post #58 of 4604
2/5/07 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by HARP666 View Post

Same problem with Sony and Panasonic dvd player ...Its the T.V


This issue (horiz. shift on HDMI) has also happened on other (not Hitachi TVs).

So, it's likely not just this set.
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post #59 of 4604
2/5/07 at 7:25pm
i dont now if this is an hdmi problem when im watching hd channel for about an hour to 2 hours it turn all grey but this only happen sometime and i did the hdmi fix.




Thank You
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post #60 of 4604
2/5/07 at 9:09pm
Can you guys please explain how I can change the colorg to 01 and the statg2 to 00.

I know how to get into the service menu but I don't see these two options anywhere.

Thanks.
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