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post #31 of 248
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Not to my recollection, I think I used them all in replaytvs.

Are you concerned that you are answering a question with a question?
post #32 of 248
You guys are as entertaining as tv and better than youtube.
post #33 of 248
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

Not to my recollection, I think I used them all in replaytvs.

Oh that's right. You "aint doing all (if any of) the work"
post #34 of 248
I'm loving it
post #35 of 248
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

...I have two shrinkwrapped 400 gig IDE maxtors in the garage(frys memorial day $99), and three shrinkwrapped 200 gig IDE maxtors(some other mad deal)

Such a waste. You can easily get a 400 gig drive on sale for $99 today if you look.

Are those all DiamondPlus 9 series? And not that it matters if so, but what's the cache size?
post #36 of 248
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Originally Posted by icecow (Replay fan) View Post

...The incompatible 16 meg cache enigma has held its ground, and using a ide-->sata adapter is new territory (at least for me).

Held its ground?

You mean as persistent myth?

Or do you mean it crumbled under the weight of the evidence as a broad (cross brand) HHD generalization?
post #37 of 248
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Do you really think it's a myth? I thought you were being sarcastic (and unintentionally misinformative).

All I know is many have reported problems with 16 meg caches, and like 1 claimed success.

I really wouldn't know and that's the purpose of starting this thread.

btw, I saw i said my two 400 gig drives were maxtor. I'm pretty sure they are seagates ..with 16 meg caches, and my working assumption has been that they won't work.

I'm backed up with a trainwreck number of projects I want to do and my procrastination knob is turned up to 11, so to speak.

I'll get back with the info in time. This thread will take time.

I'm still sick, not a dire sick, but plump full of annoying symptoms: weakness, lower back pain, living the present in a bubble of haze(or is that part a eureka realization?)
post #38 of 248
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I'm still sick, not a dire sick, but plump full of annoying symptoms: weakness, lower back pain, living the present in a bubble of haze(or is that part a eureka realization?)

If it is purple haze, then it is an episode from Eureka!

Henry
post #39 of 248
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

Do you really think it's a myth? I thought you were being sarcastic (and unintentionally misinformative).

All I know is many have reported problems with 16 meg caches, and like 1 claimed success...

In that case don't listen to me.

Instead do an analysis of the data points you are aware of. So far we have not a single (confirmed) case of Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 or 7200.10 being 100% reliable (what we are calling compatible) in a replay 5K. No matter the cache size 8 or 16 meg. I'm unaware of a single case where one was usable even if it was 8 meg cache. Similar problems have been reported in video devices besides Replays for these HDDs.

On the other hand we don't have a single (confirmed) case of a Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 or 7200.8 (of any cache size 8 or 16) suspected as being incompatible in a Replay 5K.

Anyone please point to evidence to the contrary.

Given all of that, cow does that give you the confidence you can buck those odds? That, as long as you adhere to the myth and track down the elusive 8 meg cache Barracuda (7200.9 or 7200.10) Outpost deal for your 5K upgrade, you'll be good to go, trouble free?
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

btw, I saw i said my two 400 gig drives were maxtor. I'm pretty sure they are seagates ..with 16 meg caches, and my working assumption has been that they won't work.

Makes a difference. It's unfortunate that this is the case. But those who can't tell a Maxtor from Seagate perhaps may have better luck getting an upgrade from Mikeyboy?

I don't really much care, I have plenty of compatible drives. But I hate to see NOOBs spend a week of their life struggling with it and losing shows because they listened to some bozo brain reciting over and over and over "avoid the dreaded 16 meg cache" while neglecting to mention that they should instead concentrate on getting a known compatible drive, if they desire to use it in a ReplayTV 5K.

Nothing wrong with avoiding the dreaded 16 meg cache, if you so desire.
post #40 of 248
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post #41 of 248
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good news for me. the 400 gig drives are both 8 meg, and 7200.8 so they both look perfect for replaytvs by either metric.
specs:
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_t...sterid=5323802
comments?

The only catch is I bought these for a home server.

Perhaps I should sell off a few oldstock 50xxs upgraded with new 400gig drives to keep it real.

They cost $108 after tax. If I sold a new lifetime 5040 for $375, plus $108 for the new drive, plus $20 for the trouble that would be $503+actual shipping. put that way the price sounds high.

However if anyone wants one for that price or just a non-upgraded new oldstock for $375+ship, let me know.
post #42 of 248
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

good news for me. the 400 gig drives are both 8 meg, and 7200.8 so they both look perfect for replaytvs by either metric.

I'd say you lucked out. But of course you need to look inside to know for sure. To your favor I believe most of those early 400 gig Barracudas were actually 7200.8 and not 7200.9, in the box. So if the drive itself is printed 7200.8, should be a go for a Replay upgrade.

And of course sfhub would probably warn not to use 7200.8s in raid servers. You can read about it around here somewhere.

(if you need more minor nags to distract from and/or enhance your overall malaise)
post #43 of 248
Does anyone know if this Seagate works?

ST3300631A-RK
7200 rpm. 16MB cache

Thanks
Ken K
post #44 of 248
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Originally Posted by KenL View Post

On the other hand we don't have a single (confirmed) case of a Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 or 7200.8 (of any cache size 8 or 16) suspected as being incompatible in a Replay 5K.

It's the 7200.9s and 7200.10s you have to watch out for.

Figure out which one your HD is.

I looked up specs on ST3300631A-RK and none of them said. The fact that the drive is ata100 gives promise.

The HD is in you hands so you will have to figure out if its a 7200.7,8,9, or 10 on your end.
post #45 of 248
Actually, I was looking to purchase it this afternoon from CompUSA (I could wait for a deal but I want to get up and running)

Will the 7000.x be on the packaging or only on the drive itself? I doubt that they will be too excited to open the package...

And thanks for the tip!

KK
post #46 of 248
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The shrink wrapped one I was holding 15 seconds ago did not have it on the package.

but, it is an ata100 (not ata133 or ata150) and I know it is a 7200.7 from it's specs. So I personally wouldn't bother doing the guess/return thing unless it is listed as a ata100.
post #47 of 248
So it is likely to work OK, is that what you are saying?
post #48 of 248
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Originally Posted by kdkrone View Post

So it is likely to work OK, is that what you are saying?

I'm saying if it says ata100 on the box (which will be on the box) I'd probably risk it. the ata100s are 'older' drives and likely to be cheaper too.

I don't know the odds of it being an ata100 though, being older.

And I'd get full versed on the return policy if I tried.

I'd also pay cash because stores now track returns and profile customers which may affect other things...offers, ect. In a few years I expect them to pull up names like police and gauge how willing they are to take back returns/etc (if they aren't already). Potentially, bit competing chains may start sharing information like casinos.

It is a big hastle harassment to return stuff now adays, and this time your the one causing the problem if it doesn't work (from a waste perspective), but I think their return policy covers returning stuff that doesn't work for you so you aren't doing anything legally wrong.

Anyway, good luck.
post #49 of 248
Well, my luck is not so good today. The drive is 7000.9

So what is the issue with the .9 firmware?

Also, what about Hitachi Deskstar drives? I have a few 160's around.

KK
post #50 of 248
OK, here are two drives that DO NOT work:

Seagate Barracuda ST3300622A. 300 GB It is part number 9BD044-304 and is a 7200.9 drive

Hitachi Deskstar HDT22525DLAT80 250GB

KK
post #51 of 248
Is it true that you should not or cannot use a drive larger than 320gb because you might get out of memory error messages?!?!
post #52 of 248
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Originally Posted by dstoffa View Post

Installed this drive last night - no worries:
Western Digital Caviar SE WD3200JB, 320GB, 7200 RPM, 8MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100

that is the exact drive that i am about to buy to upgrade mine.. how many hours of high quality do you have now?
post #53 of 248
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Originally Posted by diesel25 View Post

Is it true that you should not or cannot use a drive larger than 320gb because you might get out of memory error messages?!?!

Not true.

While there is some performance hit on the local 5xxx when using a very large drive (when it starts getting full) the primary concern is the networked units (with large drives) when they start getting full.
post #54 of 248
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Originally Posted by KenL View Post

Not true.

While there is some performance hit on the local 5xxx when using a very large drive (when it starts getting full) the primary concern is the networked units (with large drives) when they start getting full.

so if i just have one 5040 and a 500gb hd, then i should be good eh?
post #55 of 248
I also had a question about the "software" used to clone these drives... On one site, you have to pay $30 bucks to get the software and then on the other site it is free.. Is there a difference??

since i am new, i cannot post the links BUT one is from pvr digitalinsurrection com and the other is from rtfpatch sourceforge net
post #56 of 248
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Yeah.

So you know, the problem happens when you have two or more replaytvs networked together. When one asks for the other for the show list, the one receiving the list can crash if the list is too long. So it's more about how many shows you have then the HD size.

For instance, if you have a 300 gig drive and every show you record is a half hour show, and you record it on standard quality the list will be about 600 shows long. that will definately crash a networked replay asking for the list.

As HD sizes become gInormous the problem might come in to play even if you only have one replaytv, who knows.

However, IMO it's still a good idea to get a huge HD 500+. Just start recording everything in High Quality, and help yourself to more movies.

a huge HD would work will with netflix. You could have all your TV shows and, say, 10-20 full lenth movies, all recorded in High quality.

a two hour movie recorded at high quality will take about 6 gigs, but only count as one show on the list.

Also, it's a good idea to leave about 10-15% of your HD free so it all works out if you are a hog that knows what you are doing.
post #57 of 248
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Originally Posted by diesel25 View Post

I also had a question about the "software" used to clone these drives... On one site, you have to pay $30 bucks to get the software and then on the other site it is free.. Is there a difference??

since i am new, i cannot post the links BUT one is from pvr digitalinsurrection com and the other is from rtfpatch sourceforge net

Send me $5 and use the free one. It's cheaper.
post #58 of 248
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Originally Posted by diesel25 View Post

so if i just have one 5040 and a 500gb hd, then i should be good eh?

Should be fine.

Of course we might perhaps inquire of flipflop the capacity @ which we want larger 5xxx cluster size?

You should be OK with 500. I'm running 400 (upgraded and so using original cluster size) but performing well (locally) just over 2/3 full.
post #59 of 248
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Splitting hairs..

I'd personally get a 400 gig if a 500 gig had a significantly higher price. Go for the best bang for the buck. The extra space isn't THAT important. There's just no reason not to have it if it's just a few bucks more.

Also, I'd recomend flying the model# you intend to get by this forum before buying it. Some brands/models are not compatible with replaytvs.
post #60 of 248
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

Send me $5 and use the free one. It's cheaper.

good one...
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