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post #541 of 2270
Geek-
Stop on by to watch TBS-HD at my place. Comcast install went great yesterday. PQ is much better than what it was 2 years ago.

Let me know if you want in on the Comcast kool-aid. I can hook you up

BTW - TBS HD looked great last night.
post #542 of 2270
FYI, Verizon FIOS TV service is now available where I live in Lower Frederick Township (Schwenksville), PA. I've been waiting for the TV service for about a year since I signed up for the FIOS internet service. I can now finally be rid of Comcast forever.
post #543 of 2270
Just posted this in the Verizon Master Thread --- thought it made sense to post here as well....

Hi all,
I am also in Philadelphia and, as a Verizon subscriber, will be HD-less through the NLCS. There is an article in today's USA TODAY that discusses the MLB move to TBS. Though the primary focus of the article is the move of playoff coverage from OTA to cable, we frustrated fans are presented with an opportunity to take our argument to the press.

On the USA TODAY online front page of the sports section (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/default.htm) there is a link where you can click to write about your unhappiness with the current TBS situation. This presents us all with an opportunity to have our voices heard, and to force MLB, TBS, Verizon, others to answer for this debacle in this press. If you are as PO'd as me, I encourage you to take the time to express your dismay.

I just submitted the following email:

To whom it may concern:

As a Verizon FiOS TV subscriber in suburban Philadelphia, I do not, and have been told that I will not have access to TBS-HD for the MLB playoffs. It is hard to believe that for the one time that my beloved Phillies make the playoffs in 14 years, I'll be reduced to watching them in the same standard definition quality that I saw in 1993. It is utterly ridiculous that in 2007, everybody in the US with an HDTV and a cable/satellite provider that offers HD programming will not have access to watch the 2007 MLB playoffs in glorious HD.

While I applaud DirecTV, Comcast, and others for launching TBS-HD immediately prior to the playoffs (in some instances, the channel was added this AM), other providers (Verizon & Dish Network to name two) were unable, unwilling, or perhaps ignorant to the ramifications of not launching TBS-HD. While these providers are certainly at fault , I cannot understand why MLB/Turner would choose to rush out a brand new HD channel for TBS literally hours/days before the playoffs --- for the sake of simplicity and accommodation, wouldn't it have been just as easy to broadcast the games on TNT-HD as TNT-HD is already universally available through most, if not all, cable & satellite providers.

The Little League World Series in available in HD, but not the MLB playoffs!?!?! MLB and TBS should be ashamed for their poor planning and execution.... Verizon and the other providers that failed to launch TBS-HD in time for the playoffs should be equally criticized for their lack of proactivity on behalf of their customer base. It is an embarrassment to MLB that, in 2007, many fans will be left in the dark when it comes to HD for the playoffs.


If we make enough noise, we may still not get what we want (the playoffs in HD for 2007), but at least MLB, TBS, Verizon, etc. will have to answer for this debacle in the press... Let 'em have it!

GO PHILS!
post #544 of 2270
I live in Yardley and am looking for a backup to OTA, HD locals, either fios or comcast. Am interested in both NJT and HYY PBS HDs, and it appears as though fios carries these, but comcast does not. Question: Will my QAM tuner with a direct coax feed receive the HD locals with a limited basic package with fios as it does with comcast? My home is not wired for cable - Geekgirl states that PQ is better with fios, but the install with comcast might be easier for just a basic package. Any thoughts? THanks
post #545 of 2270
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Originally Posted by Butter View Post

Yep - I noticed the audio sync problem as well. For me the video was ahead of the audio, so I couldn't use the audio delay in the receiver.

In the past when I've had this, I call the local affiliate (like NBC10).




Hey Butter, what number did you call for the local NBC affiliate? Did they realize that it was a problem? I'm still seeing it and have resorted to recording all my NBC programming in SD...which is like 7 shows!!!
post #546 of 2270
The real crime is that it is not available ota in Philly
Owenf
post #547 of 2270
gerall - No matter which way you go, you will still need the coax installed. It's a wash from that perspective. Comcast's long-term plan is to eliminate the analog channels (or at least remove a lot of them) to force you to use a Set-Top Box (STB). The difficulty of installing an STB is about 5 minutes work.

The only additional labor is for Verizon to install the Optical Network Terminal, Router, etc. in which they do everything.

To partially answer your question, FiOS carries channels 2 - 49 (SD) as QAM. I'm not sure if the HD channels are in the clear, but Broadband Reports has a thread with a QAM map of the Washington DC area (also a link to Reading PA). HD is there. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r191...alysis~days=10

If I have time, I'll do a scan this weekend.
post #548 of 2270
Aside from the loss , the PQ from TBS was really hazy and I couldn't figure out why. Then they showed the Sharp ad on the green screen backstop. Black was perfect. It's the video mixing with the graphics. It's more apparent when they were showing ads with red in them (Phils are red).

I like the player score boxes. The announcers weren't bad, they seemed OK as impartial. Tuned to WPHT 1210 AM and heard Harry just fine. Couldn't listen to it because it was over 5 S in advance of the video.

I'd like to compare it to the HD version, but my buddy in Wilmington was getting his FiOS install today (from ComCast). Waiting to hear what happened.
post #549 of 2270
Geek-
TBS-HD looked great today on Comcast (yes, aside from the score).

Very sharp - better than ESPN looks.
post #550 of 2270
Thanks. Good info. I got an offer from the guy who set you up. Told him I'd give him a shout at the end of January, when my 1 year service agreement is up.

(moved from broadband reports) So the SD PQ is about the same? What about the rest of the channels? Don't forget to go into the diagnostics menu and compare the SNR and error counts. You might want to see how close you are running on the edge.

Update- answer over on broadband reports, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r191...s=10~start=20:
Quote:


Ironically, even at the end of a line - all my levels are great. SNR's in 35-36 range - no errors.
post #551 of 2270
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Originally Posted by gerall View Post

I live in Yardley and am looking for a backup to OTA, HD locals, either fios or comcast. Am interested in both NJT and HYY PBS HDs, and it appears as though fios carries these, but comcast does not. Question: Will my QAM tuner with a direct coax feed receive the HD locals with a limited basic package with fios as it does with comcast? My home is not wired for cable - Geekgirl states that PQ is better with fios, but the install with comcast might be easier for just a basic package. Any thoughts? THanks

no, that is one of the major drawbacks of fios, you cannot get any digital channels through just coax with fios. in fact you only get the local channels like and some ppl like myself dont even really get those, I get like one channel.

This one of the main reasons why I kept comcast for my tvs in side rooms without boxes and I kept one comcast hd dvr box for hd on demand. this obvioulsy doesn't make much sense financially though and i've been deliberating on what to do and for fios to get better, for the digital and ota hd chans through coax or lack there of with fios to not matter, and for fios to get hd on demand which they still dont.

no TBS in HD for the Phils playoffs is the last straw for me to get rid of fios after having it for less then a year.

I couldn't go back to just comcast though so I went with DirecTV which already has more HD chans then the other 2 at 60 now and will have the 150 HD chans by the end of Dec. at which point the price will go up so its good to get locked in now at the current pricing which i'll be grandfathered in with even when the price goes up when they get the 150 hd chans.

if it doesn't work out i can just go back to comcast, but dtv is worth a try and i'll prob still keep comcast for the ond hd dvr box for hd on demand and for all the digi and ota hd chans through coax. If I see I can still get those with dtv (i doubt it though, unless it still just works after i get rid of comcast) and when dtv gets their on demand (supposed to be mid Nov. but might be a little delayed) then I wont need comcast anymore at all.

Fios was and is a dud. they've lost a ton of money on fios tv and they prob wont continue to fund it from other verizon departments for long.

my comcast picture is just as good or better then my fios picture so that was all bs.

The pq for the Phils on TBS (SD chan) not only wasn't HD obviously but it looked downright terrible. The big (and really only selling point of Fios) was that the SD chans would look better (as the HD was supposedly only slightly and not really noticeably better). WEll I have found the opposite fios sd chans look worse then comcast and same with HD.

I"m going to dispute the FIOS etf fee as hard as possible as they've sucked every step of the way and we've not been satisfied with the service even after sticking with it for almost a year which should have been enough time for them to get their act together.

i'm hoping the direct tv tech can transfer the shows from one of our dvrs to the new dtv box but i doubt it.
post #552 of 2270
So if ComCast were to release Sportsnet on DirecTV, I'd have a reason to drop Verizon FiOS. That's the only thing holding me back. And the trees blocking anything west of 110 deg orbital slots.
post #553 of 2270
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Originally Posted by Quatre View Post

no, that is one of the major drawbacks of fios, you cannot get any digital channels through just coax with fios. in fact you only get the local channels like and some ppl like myself dont even really get those, I get like one channel.

That's not quite correct, or at least it doesn't answer gerall's question correctly. If you aren't using a set top box and only have an analog tuner in your tv, yes, you can only receive channels 2-49, and nothing else.

However if your tv has a QAM tuner, you can receive all the 800-level HD channels that are local (i.e. no TNT-HD, FOOD-HD, etc, but you can receive the HD versions of WCAU, WTXF, etc). I myself don't have a QAM tuner in my tv, but I do in my computer, and that's what I use to record all the HD shows I watch.

-Jerry
post #554 of 2270
i think you might be mitaken. i have qam tuner in my tv & couldnt get any channels with fios but can with comcast.

but either way the point is you wont pick up all the channels with a tv that doesnt have the tuner & in a side room with no boxb minimal use you are usually going to have a tv that doesnt have the qam tuner.
post #555 of 2270
as the person a few posts up said. only chans 2-49 are qam with fios & no hd. with comcast you get more then that without qam & even more including hd with it.
post #556 of 2270
mellomanpr,
Sorry but that was a couple years ago, when ABC (I think) ran an episode of Mighty Joe Young and all the dialogue was coming out of Left Rear or something. Just try the Affiliate general number, request the operator, and ask for engineering to report a technical problem.
Butter
post #557 of 2270
Today's Phillies game on TBS seemed to have a severe amount of compression, like watching an internet stream. Stuttering and audio dropouts. The amount of compression (blurring, blockiness) seemed to change with the camera shot angle. Are they packet shaping? Maybe I'm seeing changes over time. In any case, PQ stunk.

The TBS studio commentators, Cal Ripken and The Big Hurt, had excellent discussions on pitching sequences.

HDNet Hockey is back! PQ is superb.
post #558 of 2270
phillies suck chocked and got swept but fios tbs sd sucked also. luckily i watched them lose in HD on comcat.

canceling fios tv this week for dtv this week. 60+ hd chans here i come and 150 in dec.
post #559 of 2270
Good luck watching the Flyers, Sixers (if I cared about b-ball), Phillies on dtv. My contract is up in February. We'll see if ComCast upgraded the system in my area by then.

ESPN-HD just showed a Verizon FiOS On-Demand ad that was in SD with a really poor PQ. Unbelievable.

There are 4 ways to watch TV (5 providers): OTA, cable, fiber-optic, Dish (sat), DirecTV (sat). Pick your poison(s). Competition is good.
post #560 of 2270
what exactly isnt on dtv? no comcast sportsnet? that would suck somewhat as even fios has that. and we dvr the penn state football story on that chan i believe. but we will have the big ten network with dtv. but obviously will miss the philly sports team coverage (flyers, sixers as u mentioned)

i think ive heard now CW philly in hd on dtv? that wouldnt be good because e dvr smallville on tha chan in hd.

also i was wondering about g4 tech tv which i dvr a lot of shows on and is owned by comcast but is on fios s well. if dtv doesnt have G4 that could be a deal breaker. im assuming comast would be the first to make that chan HD (which woul rock) since they own it.

id really like to see a break down of the difference in hd offerings by these 3 especially comcast & fios. ie. no tbs-hd, usa hd, mojo etc on fios & no hdnet & hdnet movies on comcast. just to see which ones they both dont have.

then of course the hd chans on dtv. we know its more but does it have all the other ones the other 2 have & then some or is it missing a few the other 2 have while having many others that noon cares as much. i realize dtv amps up their hd chan offering number with a bunch of fsn & other redundant sports hd chans but there has to be more legit ones then the other 2 (comcast & fios) have. i guess comast sportsnet has an sd & hd chan so if dtv doesnt have that is an hd chan right there it doesnt have & in general a useful chan missing from their lineup & something to take into consideration when considering dtv

again also to take into consideration any other strictly sd chans that may be missing from dtv. does dtv have G4 or not.

either way i figure dtv is worth a try & if it doesnt work out we'll just go back to where we started before fios.....with comcast..
post #561 of 2270
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Originally Posted by Quatre View Post

i think you might be mitaken. i have qam tuner in my tv & couldnt get any channels with fios but can with comcast.

but either way the point is you wont pick up all the channels with a tv that doesnt have the tuner & in a side room with no boxb minimal use you are usually going to have a tv that doesnt have the qam tuner.

I record network SD and HD shows from my fios coax every day, no set top box involved, using a qam tuner, so I'm fairly certain I'm correct. I'm in West Chester, but I don't think that makes any difference. If your tv isn't decoding qam-256, or has some other kind of limitation (which I've read can happen with older tuners), potentially you might not be able to receive all the channels I suppose.
post #562 of 2270
ok well i know for a fact that you can't get many if any channels on other tvs with no qam tuner with fios. where as with fios you can get all the basic channels through coax on a tv without a box and without qam tuner.

in side rooms that you dont watch much tv and dont have a box you are usually going to have an older tv. even flat screens from a couple years ago dont have qam tuners so that is a bit of a con for fios to not be able to get those channels without qam.

further are you saying you get just as many channels through qam with fios as you do with comcast? Because I thought that wasn't true and not sure if you are just dancing around the question by saying that you do in fact get some chans with fios through coax using qam.

can't seem to get a straight answer but i'm thinking you dont get as many through qam on fios as you do with comcast but if so and they are equal there then that is good for fios.

but fios still seems to be clearly right not as good as comcast or dtv.

to add to the list of hd chans that fios doenst have that even comcast has is A&E HD, let alone all the hd chans that dtv has and is getting that neither of the other 2 has.
post #563 of 2270
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Originally Posted by Quatre View Post

further are you saying you get just as many channels through qam with fios as you do with comcast? Because I thought that wasn't true and not sure if you are just dancing around the question by saying that you do in fact get some chans with fios through coax using qam.

can't seem to get a straight answer but i'm thinking you dont get as many through qam on fios as you do with comcast but if so and they are equal there then that is good for fios.

Ok, here's the straight answer.

Through the QAM card in my computer, I get all the channels below 50, The Tube, NBC weather plus, two ABC digital subchannels, ABC-HD, CBS-HD, NBC-HD, FOX-HD, CW-HD, myPhl-HD, WHYY-HD (plus WHYY Arts and another subchannel), and a couple NJTs. So basically 810 through 817 and 860 through 877. The music-only channels also seem to be available this way, but I've never tried to receive them (but they were detected).

I think I used to be able to get pretty much the same set through Comcast, but that was a while ago, and I think at the time I was getting signal through firewire as my primary input, so I'm not positive on this.

Most of these channels are also available through the firewire output of the set top box, with two or three exceptions (as of the beginning of this year - since QAM was working for me I haven't tried firewire again since then). Neither Fios nor Comcast transmits any of the other channels (50 through 799 plus the 800-level channels I haven't mentioned here) through firewire. I believe that since I'm paying for these channels I should be able to record them, but they don't do what I tell them.
post #564 of 2270
you cant cpy/transfer or record using firewire from fios box even hough legally they re suppoed to enable that.

comcast complied b you can with them but no with fios.

sorry but you just brought up one more con of fios & reason to not like them.

and for the guy who beat around the bush regardin wha channels u get without stb. you get none with fios unless you have qam capabl tv while with comcast you still get all the basic cable channels including mtv etc.

and even with qam capable tv it sounds like you get more with comcast then ios so nice rying confusing the info to make fios sound better.
post #565 of 2270
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Originally Posted by Quatre View Post

you cant cpy/transfer or record using firewire from fios box even hough legally they re suppoed to enable that.

comcast complied b you can with them but no with fios.

sorry but you just brought up one more con of fios & reason to not like them.

and for the guy who beat around the bush regardin wha channels u get without stb. you get none with fios unless you have qam capabl tv while with comcast you still get all the basic cable channels including mtv etc.

and even with qam capable tv it sounds like you get more with comcast then ios so nice rying confusing the info to make fios sound better.

I'm not trying to boost or bash either company. I'm just relating my experiences, having had both. To respond to your latest points:

1. With the HD set top box I got from Verizon (QIP-6200), firewire was enabled for me by default without my having to ask (this was in January, I think). As I said, I haven't used the firewire output lately, so I have no idea what's available through it now, but I do know the port is active because that's how my computer tells the set top box to change channels. Also as of January, there were two or three channels that Verizon was not putting on the firewire unencrypted (which it should have been, according to the FCC). I don't know what the situation is lately.

2. I never beat around around the bush. I'm not sure why you're attacking me. On Verizon, without QAM, without a set top box, you get all channels below 50 in analog. I have two analog tvs connected this way. On Comcast, a bunch more channels are available in analog, as you say. I hadn't commented on this one way or the other before now because we'd been talking about QAM, not analog. I've heard a lot of people predict that this won't last as they get squeezed for bandwidth, that they'll end up switching all the non-broadcast channels to digital as well.

3. What extra channels do you get through QAM on Comcast that you don't get with Verizon? I'm not denying it, I'm just asking because I don't know what the situation is lately.
post #566 of 2270
well as far as analog, we didn't get any analog chans really except one with bad reception and the fios techs thought that was normal so i changed it back to a comcast line there and got all basic cable chans.

so when you say all analog below 50, maybe its suppsed to get 3, 6,10, 17,29 locals but it doenst even get those.

qam i'm not totally sure but from what i've heard and seen you get more through comcastjust in general total through coax.
post #567 of 2270
I am thinking about switching from Comcast to FIOS for internet service.
I am reading about problems with the TV service and am concerned that The internet service is also bad. How is FIOS for internet?
Thanks
Tim
post #568 of 2270
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Originally Posted by timatraw View Post

I am thinking about switching from Comcast to FIOS for internet service.
I am reading about problems with the TV service and am concerned that The internet service is also bad. How is FIOS for internet?
Thanks
Tim

Tim-
Internet is fine. And this is coming from the mouth of the person that had the "worst" TV problems. Go for it.
post #569 of 2270
This is a posting for my neighbor, JerryR over in West Chester and any other interested Chester County, PA folk. I live in the Caln/Thorndale area (between Coatesville & Downingtown). I've been reading most of this thread and found it rather enlightening.

I've had Verizon FIOS since the beginning of this year for phone/internet and I'm quite pleased with it moving up from DSL, which was not that bad. However, the FIOS TV service for some reason is still pending.

I actually spoke with a "Media Specialist/Liason" at the Caln Township Office and he said a franchise agreement was signed over a year ago in Sept of '06. The hold up apparently has to do with the establishment or upgrade of a distribution or some other hardware junction in Downingtown. Projected completion end of this year.

A question for you sir: I hear West Chester and Exton have their FIOS TV and I was wondering if you've heard any scuttlebut about this service in my area? I don't know where to get more detailed information and what might be done to expedite it. Querying Verizon gets me nowwhere and the twshp guy has no further info (that was mid summer by the way).

I bought a lot of new HD home theater equipment this summer and this is the last piece to the puzzle for me. I have had Comcast analog (no STB) for some years now and find the quality of service declining. I particularly despise watching AMC or TCM films with such overcompressed transmissions that most of the movie is filled with jerky motion and occasional pixelation.

I have an exisiting TiVo Series 2 for my DVR needs but plan on a new TiVo HD box prior to installing the TV service when it happens. I also hope to go the Cable Card route. Do you use their STBs or CC's and if the former, any review or comment on their new software interface I recently saw demoed.

Thanks for any feedback.
post #570 of 2270
Quatre - that's weird that you can't get the analog channels (by which I mean the lower-numbered, non-QAM channels that are the over-the-air broadcast channels, like network and local PBS, etc). Is your tv's tuner set for cable frequencies (as opposed to antenna frequencies)? Hm, no, you said when you swapped with the Comcast cable it get them all. No, I have no idea why you couldn't get them, but they all come in as just about as clearly for me straight from the cable as they do through the set top box.

Tim - I'll second jeepmatt's opinion about FIOS internet. No speed problems or lapses in service.

Chaz - Howdy, neighbor. Here's a web site that lists FIOS internet and TV availability in various PA townships, as well as franchise approval status:

http://www.fiberexperts.com/pennsylvania-fios.html

Unfortunately it doesn't report on scuttlebut, and I myself haven't heard anything about that area.

I have the Motorola QIP-6200, which is almost identical to Comcast's HD STB, the Motorola 6200 (no QIP). I haven't received the updated software yet, so I don't really know the answer to that question.

-Jerry
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