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post #211 of 8459
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Just guessing, but maybe the variations in how visible the droplets were depended on camera focus?

Exactly. The lens's focal length changes the spots size. I'm sure they didn't add to the mess. I shoot in bad weather all the time and have to deal with this. There is no reason the up cameras had rain on their lens, none. It's the freakin' SuperBowl, they should have had build a cover over the cameras. Even with wind, it should have been big enough to anticipate that.

The field cameras are a different story and it's very hard to protect them. I have a Matte-Box on my camera and it has a large 'eyebrow' that does protect the glass from rain pretty well. you can see it in my small Avatar pic as well as this...

post #212 of 8459
I didn't notice any audio issue other than KCNC is noticeably louder than my other OTA stations. Anyone else experiencing this? I did flip channels during the commercials so I may have missed what audio problems others had but during the game I didn't have any problems. I do think the rain droplets on the cameras is a shame.
post #213 of 8459
Well on camcast in Loveland the audio from kcnc was in stereo only yet on the Direct TV from LA the sound 5.1 was just fine.......good old KCNC.........yep I tried OTA and well too broken to receive that day (usually my first choice..all about the bandwidth)
post #214 of 8459
Yep, KCNC is louder for me as well. Since I am now sure this isn't just a problem on my end, we should contact them and see if they can fix this.

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Originally Posted by pkeegan View Post

I didn't notice any audio issue other than KCNC is noticeably louder than my other OTA stations. Anyone else experiencing this? I did flip channels during the commercials so I may have missed what audio problems others had but during the game I didn't have any problems. I do think the rain droplets on the cameras is a shame.
post #215 of 8459
I, too, remember that first SB in HD that our friends at Channel Six helped us get. It was like heaven and earth had been moved, but there it was.

Impressed my wife and friends!
post #216 of 8459
I also noticed that KCNC is louder.

Speaking of HD audio, anyone else notice that the volume levels of the commercials seems way too loud? All stations probably crank up the volume a bit for them, but it seems worse on the HD stations. KUSA in particular seems to blast them.
post #217 of 8459
I sent an email to KCNC about their OTA HD being louder since I'm not the only one who has noticed this issue. I asked if their was a standard. Does anyone here know if a standard on volume exists for OTA HD broadcasts? Thanks
post #218 of 8459
Did anybody try to watch the Criminal Minds show after the SB? It started fine with a clever pre-recorded transition with Phil Simms talking about turnovers!

Anyway, at the 30 minute point in the program, KCNC came back with a "special" news broadcast that preceecded their 10 PM news. My wife kept thinking we must have done something wrong with the Tivo, but we were watching live. We missed the last half of the program. Are we nuts or is that what KCNC actually did?
post #219 of 8459
Have any of you ever had an out-of-body experience? Well, that is what the JeffCo hearing was today. It was nothing but a surreal, dog-and-pony show for the Commissioners. What's worse, it was truly sad for the members of the community who showed up thinking this was serious.

Sad, because so many present thought this was for real. Most of sCARE, Al, Golden Mayor Baroch, and the poor residents certainly did. But, the Commissioners, LCG, and even Deb who didn't speak saw through this and knew what was really happening. It was just so the Commissioners could get on record that they did have a public meeting.

OK, wow for the details. First, the Jeffco head, legal beagle presents this huge "Settlement Agreement" that pretty much lets LCG do whatever they want, pretty much forever. (As we all know they can do that anyway by the new law) The community is stunned and outraged at not just this, but any agreement that they didn't have input on.

Then the Commissioners take public testimony and it gets ugly. Oh, there's a new sheriff in sCAREville, ur, president of sCARE. He pretty much b!tches out the commissioners that they weren't consulted at all. And my favorite line is, he thinks that LCG will sell space to Al Qaeda. Muuuuaaaaaaaah!!! RONFLMAO. He sounded serious too.

Then, the mayor of Golden gets up and does about the same thing, Says, he had no time to consult with council, and he's going to go home right now and write a letter to Judge Jackson Waaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa. Then, lastly, he compares this to above ground Nuclear Testing and some more about how we're all going to die.

Next, more civilians ranting about how could the Commissioners even entertain this settlement proposed by LCG. Wait! Hold the phone. Are you all sitting down...

The Legal guys interrupts and says this agreement was from him and Jeffco and not from LCG. Jeffco came up with this, as their legal staff sees no way to fight the Presidents law!!! They concede defeat and this is one quick way to end the battle.

The crowd goes nuts when they find out this lay-down agreement is not from LCG, but is from JeffCo to LCG and not the other way around!!! Commish Congrove then says, its not his doing (Had to save some face with the voters) and this agreement the best solution that the legal staff of JeffCo could come up with. Then, more hostile public testimony and why not Squaw mt. blah, blah, blah. At least the JeffCo legal beagle cut them off, as the testimony must be directly related to the proposed agreement.

Then, finally, the ranting finishes. Commish Hartman motions to a vote, Commish McCasky interrupts and comments to change the agreement, as he doesn't like it. So, they chat amongst themselves for a minute. Then they vote on this agreement, and all three vote no.

But wait, it gets better. Then McCasky wants them to vote on making this agreement not the new proposed one, but to just settle on approving the 2003, 3-0 Commissioners Approval of the LCGII application. They vote to present that to LCG.

McCasky: YES
Hartman: YES
Congrove: NO

So, in effect, they will present this agreement to LCG. Now, not that LCG has to accept this or any other "agreement" as they can do whatever the he!! they want per the President. But, at least, the best thing to come of this silly meeting was the admittance that JeffCo is screwed and are now the ones begging for crumbs.

Oh, of course, no doubt, sCARE will still play their silly games some more. It just makes it That much harder when the County is now for a settlement and the consolidation tower.
post #220 of 8459
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Originally Posted by santellavision View Post

Then McCasky wants them to vote on making this agreement not the new proposed one, but to just settle on approving the 2003, 3-0 Commissioners Approval of the LCGII application. They vote to present that to LCG.

Hmm. So can this vote be taken as a re-affirmation of their 2003 decision and thus yet another grounds on which Judge Jackson should lift his injunction?
post #221 of 8459
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Originally Posted by santellavision View Post

Next, more civilians ranting about how could the Commissioners even entertain this settlement proposed by LCG. Wait! Hold the phone. Are you all sitting down...

The Legal guys interrupts and says this agreement was from him and Jeffco and not from LCG. Jeffco came up with this, as their legal staff sees no way to fight the Presidents law!!! They concede defeat and this is one quick way to end the battle.

The crowd goes nuts when they find out this lay-down agreement is not from LCG, but is from JeffCo to LCG and not the other way around!!! Commish Congrove then says, its not his doing (Had to save some face with the voters) and this agreement the best solution that the legal staff of JeffCo could come up with.

Actually, he did not say that this agreement originated from Jeffco. He said that the legal staff and not the commissioners were working on the language. He said the agreement was from LCG, and the version presented today was the last, best and final settlement offer from LCG.

-Wabisabi
post #222 of 8459
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Originally Posted by santellavision View Post

And my favorite line is, he thinks that LCG will sell space to Al Qaeda. Muuuuaaaaaaaah!!! RONFLMAO. He sounded serious too.

Ok, for levity, let's look at the history:
  • Dangerous radiation levels. But people living right there...
  • 2 & 3 headed kids. But people living right there...
  • Falling towers. But people living right there...
  • Now Al Qaeda is going to establish a terror base on Lookout Mtn?
I don't know what you guys think, but there's something seriously wrong with the inhabitants of Golden. I don't know if it's the air, the water, radon gas, depleted ozone layer or what. But I do think that we should wall off the place, so whatever it is, doesn't infect the rest of Colorado!
....jc
post #223 of 8459
Wabasibi is correct in that LCG gave them this proposal first, then the JeffCo lawyers discussed it, saw they had no other choice and other legal recourse, then presented it today. (Now, I am not sure if the JeffCo lawyers took it word for word or if they changed it?) Wabisabi might know more on that.
post #224 of 8459
"And a good time was had by all"


It sounds like a whole lot of folks who drank the (S)CARE Kool-Aid, now can't believe they have been totally overruled. Unfortunately, I suspect that many of those who really believed the (S)CARE story that their lives were in danger from the towers now, really are terrified that it might be true. This is what results from the (S)CARE distortions and lies over the previous years. It is too late now for the (S)CARE folks to just come out and say, 'we were lying to try to increase our property values'.
post #225 of 8459
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Originally Posted by DennisMileHi View Post

Did anybody try to watch the Criminal Minds show after the SB? It started fine with a clever pre-recorded transition with Phil Simms talking about turnovers!

Anyway, at the 30 minute point in the program, KCNC came back with a "special" news broadcast that preceecded their 10 PM news. My wife kept thinking we must have done something wrong with the Tivo, but we were watching live. We missed the last half of the program. Are we nuts or is that what KCNC actually did?

I had my Dish 622 setup to record Criminal Minds at 8:00. However suspecting that the game wouldn't be over at that time set the 622 to also record the 9:00 news special. The way it turned out the 1st half hour of Criminal Minds was recorded from 8:30 to 9:00 and 2nd half hour was recorded on the front end of the 9:00 news special.
post #226 of 8459
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Originally Posted by JMartinko View Post

"And a good time was had by all"


It sounds like a whole lot of folks who drank the (S)CARE Kool-Aid, now can't believe they have been totally overruled. Unfortunately, I suspect that many of those who really believed the (S)CARE story that their lives were in danger from the towers now, really are terrified that it might be true. This is what results from the (S)CARE distortions and lies over the previous years. It is too late now for the (S)CARE folks to just come out and say, 'we were lying to try to increase our property values'.

...but how many of those "terrified" folks have For-Sale signs in their front yards?
post #227 of 8459
I know this has probably been mentioned before but I do not recall: Have any of the Denver FM stations upgraded to FM-HD (or whatever they call it)? If so, any of them broadcasting from Lookout?
post #228 of 8459
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Originally Posted by Smuuth View Post

...but how many of those "terrified" folks have For-Sale signs in their front yards?

You know what was really sad today, when I was walking out there was this really sweet old couple walking in front of me and they were saying it was so wonderful that the Commissioners denied the tower. They truly didn't understand what is happening. I felt so sorry for them. I was going to try to explain, but thought better not ruin the rest of their afternoon.
post #229 of 8459
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Originally Posted by Jetlag View Post

I know this has probably been mentioned before but I do not recall: Have any of the Denver FM stations upgraded to FM-HD (or whatever they call it)? If so, any of them broadcasting from Lookout?

Several Denver-area stations now broadcast HD radio, both AM and FM stations, including:

AM
  • KOA (850)

FM
  • KWLI (92.5)
  • KTCL (93.3)
  • KPTT (95.7)
  • KBCO (97.3)
  • KQMT (99.5)
  • KIMN (100.3)
  • KOSI (101.1)
  • KRFX (103.5)
  • KXKL (105.1)
  • KALC (105.9)
  • KBPI (106.7)

I'm not sure how many are broadcast from Lookout, but at least a handful are.
post #230 of 8459
KPOF - (910) has listed themselves as an HD station since Feb 2004 - but they do not broadcast from Lookout.
post #231 of 8459
Thanks Kucharsk. So evidentally they were able to easily switch from analog to digital (I'm assuming HD radio is digital, but I know nothing about it) with no issues, but us DTV/HDTV viewers had to deal with sCARE all of these years? I wonder why Deb & Co didn't raise as big of a stink with them? They are responsible for most of the RF afterall AFAIK.
post #232 of 8459
Very short story in the DP today.
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_5162488

RMN Story
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...331084,00.html

Two other things I forgot to mention that occured yesterday at the meeting were, JeffCo said the reason for this quick "Under-the-cover-of-darkness" meeting was Judge Jackson is going to rule on Monday 2/12/07. And I think we all know (including JeffCo) that he pretty much has to lift the stay of execution on the tower. That gives LCG free-reign to rock & roll.

The other thing was, JeffCo also admitted they asked JJ for two delays already and weren't going to get another. So, now we know they are the ones who've been mucking up JJ's ruling.
post #233 of 8459
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Originally Posted by santellavision View Post

...the stay of execution on the tower

Great choice of words

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Originally Posted by santellavision View Post

The other thing was, JeffCo also admitted they asked JJ for two delays already and were's going to get another. So, now we know they are the ones who've been mucking up JJ's ruling.

Not quite following you here Ernie. Are they going to attempt to delay the scheduled 2/12 decision or something else?

Oh, and a very special return salutation of "fill in the blank, blankity blank" to sCARE and the JeffCo board. Congrove, you are the epitome of professionalism and decorum in an elected official, not!

Oh, and I think they may have misquoted Marv with this one "Rockford said radio waves don't produce radiation".
post #234 of 8459
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Originally Posted by Jetlag View Post

Not quite following you here Ernie. Are they going to attempt to delay the scheduled 2/12 decision or something else?

JeffCo already has asked JJ for two delays. He wasn't going to give them another delay on his decision. This Monday is his decision. I'll be out-of-town next week on a HD shoot. If it's open to the public, maybe somebody can go and report back.
post #235 of 8459
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Originally Posted by TotallyPreWired View Post

Ok, for levity, let's look at the history:
  • Dangerous radiation levels. But people living right there...
  • 2 & 3 headed kids. But people living right there...
  • Falling towers. But people living right there...
  • Now Al Qaeda is going to establish a terror base on Lookout Mtn?
I don't know what you guys think, but there's something seriously wrong with the inhabitants of Golden. I don't know if it's the air, the water, radon gas, depleted ozone layer or what. But I do think that we should wall off the place, so whatever it is, doesn't infect the rest of Colorado!
....jc

Hmmm, maybe there are long term effects of the radiation level after all. I'd love to see them try that one. "It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that living with the increased radiation levels makes us paranoid raving lunatics"
post #236 of 8459
I purchased a JVC KD-HDR1 radio for my car. I found 6 FM stations in the Denver area with HD and also find that 630 and 1340 are HD.

Jack is HD but for some reason I lose the HD signal and when I lose that, it just goes quiet until it comes back...no switching to analog. Annoying!

John
post #237 of 8459
So is this what we are now looking at:

Judge Jackson finally tosses the injunction on the 12th allowing unfettered construction to begin .

LCG leaves the old towers untouched (and even possibly unused after 2/09) until sCARE, JeffCo & Golden finally cease their legal wrangling. I believe this is referred to as a "burn"?

I'm assuming that construction will move along quickly since LCG hopefully has all of their construction & equipment bids finalized with contractors ready to begin. With having had this much time available to them I would expect that LCG has had ample time to shop for bids and get most every detail in order.

Agree? Of course we are talking about LCG here, so maybe their reaction might be "Bids? Hey, that would have been a great idea! We'll get right on that eventually".

Any pitfalls aside from unforseen attempted legal maneuvers that I am overlooking?

Finally, does anyone have a clue as to how long it takes to actually manufacture a tower structure of this size? Not including delivery and assembly time, rather how long it takes to manufacture the pieces?
post #238 of 8459
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Originally Posted by Jetlag View Post

I'm assuming that construction will move along quickly since LCG hopefully has all of their construction & equipment bids finalized with contractors ready to begin. With having had this much time available to them I would expect that LCG has had ample time to shop for bids and get most every detail in order.

Maybe - they've only had a month since S.4092.
And I expect their agreements and schedules still have contingency for further legal delays.
post #239 of 8459
Well it sounds like some folks still believe they have a leg to stand on. I guess they aren't thinking clearly due to a lack of sleep caused by all the non-radiating radio and television waves.....

FWIW, I think Rockford was trying to say radio and television waves don't produce radiation as most people think of it ---- nuclear radiation. I mean after all if it produces radiation it must be radioactive - right ??? (NOT)

OTOH, from what I gathered from reading Ernie's report and the link to the RMN article if I were a JeffCo commissioner I too would have soundly rejected the proposed LCG settlement. LCG managed to get the zoning issues mitigated with S.4092 but they should not have free reign to do as they damn well please (and that's how I interpret the proposed settlement). Sounds to me like the LCG was trying to take advantage of the situation hoping everyone would knuckle under. Regardless if I read Ernie's report correctly the LCG2 project was once again reaffirmed by the Commissioners (with a 2-1 vote) so given that, and S.4092, JJ has no choice but to lift the current injunction. Here's hoping no one files another suit seeking an injunction on some other grounds. And in the end I think that is precisely what LCG fears and that is why they tried to get their proposed settlement approved.

When this is all done someone should make a movie of this mess.
post #240 of 8459
Ooooh, that could be fun. Who should play the characters?

- Deb: Courtney Love
- Al: Christopher Lloyd
- Marv: Nicholas Cage
- Old Commissioners: The Three Stooges
- Current Commissioners: Dumb & Dumber's Jim Carrey & Jeff Daniels and Anna Nicole Smith (Not the hot part)
- Mayor Baroch: Wilford Brimley
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