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MileHighMike Your antenna must be better than mine, because I haven't been able to get KLWY or KTWO the last couple of days. We'll see if it comes back.

Anyone know when KPXC 59 added a fourth sub-channel - 59.4 showing as "ISHOP"?

was added in the last few days in alot of the Ion owned markets
Minneapolis has the same thing

Ion stations in non-Airbox markets are reporting the ISHOP subchannel on x.4, while Airbox markets continue to air three subchannels.

Airbox is a service Ion runs with eight encrypted subchannels using MPEG-4 compression, thus requiring a decoder box. It features the NFL Network, the Starz movie channel, and six Spanish-language channels. Ion in Phoenix, Atlanta, Houston and Ft. Lauderdale broadcast the Airbox group, but as far as I know, only Houston has rolled out the service to the public.

I missed this when it was first posted. Is this still true? I just did a scan of channel 26 in MythBackend and it didn't find anything.

KZDN-LD apparently operates sporadically. I've received this station, but most times when I check for it, it's off the air, as it currently is as I write this.

does anyone have any news on when live well is going to be live?

Hello the List,

I'm the Web Master of www.RMRondyNews.com. I have a Page on my Site called "O T A HDTV." This Page shows Stations along the Front Range & West Slope areas (mostly GJCT).

I see that some of this Forum are familiar with HDTV activity in Colorado. I'd much like to hear from those familiar to take a look at the "O T A HDTV" Page and to let me know what I need to update on that Page. This Page sees many searches each week (30+) and I think it fair to Page Visitors to post the most current info available.

My contact info (E-Mail) is posted on the Web Site if anyone would like to send me updated info. Thanks much for the Forum Member's time & efforts.

"Smoke Talker"
Web Master of : www.RMRondyNews.com

Hello the AVS List,

I'd like further confirmation please about KPXC-DT 59.4 / IShop channel. I'll update my "O T A HDTV" Page when this info is available.

"Smoke Talker"
Web Master of www.RMRondyNews.com

I live in Loveland CO and have a good antenna on the roof of our house. I get all the main channels except channel 4. Any ideas? From looking on Wikipedia it is supposedly the strongest one. Not sure why I would get all the others. I have turned my antenna, changed it's location with no luck. Any ideas?

It would help if you could identify the antenna.

However, your situation is usually caused by the antenna being in a spot that is "dead" for a particular frequency, usually due to an obstruction or reflection that is affecting that single frequency. The "cure" is usually a more directional antenna or relocation of the antenna. Sometimes it takes as little as a half a foot, sometimes many yards.

Get a CM 4228. Worth every penny
As a last resort:
Try some rabbit ears in a north facing window for ch 5.1 in Cheyenne ---for network shows, football, etc
Then watch kcnc on a laptop for local news prgms

I don't know the model of the antenna. It is a normal looking TV antenna with all the bars running across it. It has been on the roof of the house for many years.

KCNC-DT 4 is on the same tower & transmitting antenna as KWGN-DT 2 / RF35, KMGH-DT 7 /RF7, KTVD-DT20 / RF19 & KUSA-DT9 / RF9.

Suggestion: I got a Winegard MS-2000 pre-amped omni receiving antenna. Mine is about 30-feet above ground and works fine except for DT-7 & DT-9 (possible signal overload on just these channels). However I did have a (VERY old) directional 6-element directional antenna which I "tee'd in" with the Winegard and can receive all the Denver-local channels including DT-7 & DT-9. I cannot receive KPXC & KPJR located (near Dacono, CO) due North of my location due to terrain (a high ridge).

ProjectSHO89 is correct regarding signal behaviour, especially since digital signals are "less forgiving" than the old analog signals on the same frequency.

On a different note: I'm still looking for updated info regarding the "IShop" 43.4 channel on KPXC & any other DT channnels as well for the "O T A HDTV" Page on my Web Site..

"Smoke Talker"
Web Master of www.RMRondyNews.com

KWGN 2 (RF34) is not on the same tower or using the same antenna as KCNC 4 (RF35). Their towers are several hundred feet apart from each other.


KPXC 59.4 (RF43) is now branded as "ShopTV", not "IShop" (it was branded as "IShop" when it first aired in November). Note for your Web site: KPXC's virtual channel is 59 (not 43) and they are licensed to Denver, not Greeley.
Edited by GE AVS - 1/7/13 at 10:52am

KWGN (along with KCNC-4, KMGH-7 KUSA-9 & KTVD-20) was part of the original "Cedar Park Group" that agreed to to occupy the 700 foot tower that replaced the older (now gone) KOA tower. Unless KWGN moved to KDVR-31's tower (KWGN & KDVR owned by same outfit).

KWGN is on its own tower. http://www.rabbitears.info/tower.php?request=site&asrn=1044149

- Trip

As I understand the present status of KWGN and KDVR, the two stations are not owned by the same organization. They are operated together under a "Local Marketing Agreement" (LMA) operated by the KDVR licensee, "COMMUNITY TELEVISION OF COLORADO LICENSE, LLC". I believe KWGN is still owned by parent Tribune as a part of its bankruptcy estate, licensee, "KWGN, LLC, DEBTOR-IN-POSSESSION". And it is rumored in the finanical press that Tribune is considering selling all of their properties except for their TV stations. It will be interesting to see what occurs in coming days and months, subject of course to their LMA.

As noted in previous posts, KWGN 2 (RF34) is broadcast from their own tower, separate from the "Lake Cedar Group" (not Cedar Park Group) stations tower site and separate from the KDVR 31 (RF32) tower site which is southwest of the Lake Cedar Group tower and south of the KWGN tower. Note also that the KWGN tower is northwest of the Lake Cedar Group tower. All three tower sites are within less than a mile of each other. Take a look at the tower sites with Google Maps and Google Earth.

I stand corrected on both, the name of the Group and the seperate tower info.

"Smoke Talker"
Web Master of www.RMRondyNews.com

Why not post a picture of it. What is important is having a good UHF section on it

After 12 years of climbing on my 2nd story roof to tweak my beloved HDTV antenna, it appears that the 21st century may offer a safer alternative;

https://www.aereo.com/

Now if I could just figure out how to stream live sports.

Does anyone have an engineering contact at KCNC?

They stopped broadcasting TVGOS listing data approximately a week ago, and I'd like to find out if their data inserter just needs a reset, or if Rovi has pulled the plug on them. It's been known that Rovi was going to pull the plug by April 2013, but there was hope that KCNC would be one of the last, given that it's a CBS O&O station.

Any help in getting in touch with the right person in their engineering department would be appreciated...

Chief Engin is Eric Buckland
ejbuckland@cbs.com

^ Thank you Scott!

Tonight I did a rescan of my Sony XBR4 and received a analog signal on channel 6. It was a test screen and music for KXDP-LP Denver.

Anyone have any info on this? I am near Chatfield Reservoir in Littleton.

Sounds like a FrankenFM to me. The station broadcasts on ch. 6, and the audio is probably at 87.7 MHz, meaning it can be picked up by an FM radio. Try it out.

As noted by dhett, it is a "Franken FM" transmitting on the legacy audio carrier of analog channel 6 at 87.75 MHz to broadcast its radio format. It has been on air since August 2010, giving Denver two unrelated channel 6 TV stations - one digital TV (KRMA-Rocky Mountain PBS-V6/RF18) and one analog TV being used for FM radio purposes at radio dial frequency of 87.7 (most radio receivers will capture the actual 87.75 MHz FM modulated analog TV frequency). KXDP-LP's original filing to capture analog channel 6 was granted in September 2007, prior to full power analog turn off. KXDP-LP will go away for analog radio purposes on or before September 1, 2015 when the LPs are required to turn off analog transmission.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KXDP-LP
Edited by GE AVS - 1/26/13 at 1:38pm

My Channel Master CM7000 OTA DVR was picking up the OTA TV Guide (got the little red TV Guide icon on the program guide). Now not. No change in my system--program guide still "enabled", same zip code entered, same antenna, etc. Programs are coming in fine. The guide works but typically only a day's worth or so (vs. a week's worth a month ago when I had the TV Guide icon). More "No Information Available" messages instead of program descriptions. My system has been re-booted but that's been done before with no effect on the TV Guide.

Has something changed for the new year for the Denver OTA area? Where'd my "TV Guide" icon go?

The company providing the TVGOS data, Rovi, has discontinued the service and KCNC V4/RF35 has removed the data service from their PSIP configuration. The program information you are receiving is from each station's electronic program guide from the EIT data in their PSIP data stream.
Edited by GE AVS - 1/28/13 at 6:45pm

I wonder if anyone else has noticed a DST(Daylight Savings Time) issue today.

This morning, I happened to check the guide information on my Vizio VX32L on Channel 4-1. I was looking for the program schedule information imbedded in the PSIP, and I happened to notice that the clock was an hour fast. The TV seemed to think we are on DST. I checked all the channels that I have active. Channels 2,4,6,9,12,20, and 59 were an hour fast. Channels 7 and 31 were correct.

I remember looking at the ATSC standard some years ago, and I believe that there are 2 PSIP fields that allow a tuner to determine if DST is currently active. One is a field that indicates that it is currently Daylight Savings Time. The other is a day of the month field that should be 0 if there is no pending change to DST status, but should contain the day of the month for a pending change to the DST status if the change is LESS THAN a month away. That second field allows the receiver to switch the DST status on the transition day, even if the tuner is not tuned to a station with valid PSIP information. I didn't notice the problem until today, so I suspect the second field is the issue. Colorado switches to DST on March 10, 2013. I believe the stations should begin placing a 10 in that field on February 11, 2013, but it should still be 0 on February 10, 2013. I suspect that the staions I am having trouble with placed a 10 in the field early today. I presume that many of the stations use the same PSIP generation software or services, and that would explain why so many stations have the same issue.

I presume that my TV will again report the correct time on February 11, 2013 on all the stations, because it will know that a 10 in the transition field has to be March 10, 2013.

I am just guessing what is in the PSIP fields, because of the time displayed by my TV. That is the only tool I have available to me.

Does anyone have any tools that actually report the PSIP field content?

Am I wrong in my understanding of the what the stations should be placing in the PSIP DST fields?