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post #1501 of 12787
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Originally Posted by football751 View Post

Check Dish's site to see if you should get the locals. I'm 63011 area code and they say I could get ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX HD. If it says you should get the locals online and you don't, I would call and complain to Dish, as if they say you get them, there may be something wrong w/ the receiver.

He has DirecTV, not DISH.
IIRC, the STL HD locals on DTV come from SW1 or SW2. I think they're something like 99°w and 102°w.
5-LNB dish w/MPEG4 receiver required.

You should be able to locate them on Lyngsat.
http://www.lyngsat.com/america.html


Football,
If you (or any other DISH sub in the STL DMA) have DISH, a MPEG4 receiver, and subscribe to locals, you are entitled to be receiving the HD locals at no additional charge. Even if that means DISH has to upgrade your antenna system, it is their responsibility, and no cost to you.
post #1502 of 12787
Thread Starter 
Found this while looking for something else (that's how it works sometimes):

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/periphera...ale-149775.php

At roughly 10 times the price of a conventional USB hub, it doesn't make sense, but it has cool all over it. I agree with the review that says that wires suck -- and in my scenario there will be four connections, so that's really a lot to pay just be rid of just one wire.

The design here is sort of what I'm looking for in terms of protecting the dongle, but it would still be exposed even though the Belkin design would sort of isolate it. For me, the ideal is for the dongle to be permanently connected to the hub, for the simple reason that it's easier to overlook a dongle than leave behind the hub. But I think the risk of damage to either the dongle or hub would be high if I just tossed into a bag with it connected.

I'm probably obsessing too much on worst-case scenarios.

Despite the potential for fun -- "Yes, it's a USB hub AND a salad spinner" -- I'm gonna pass on that idea. I'll probably just get something basic for now and opt a better fix when it hits me in the face.

Thanks again for the suggestions.
post #1503 of 12787
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by aspec2 View Post

Yes but YCbCr is NOT a digital signal. It is an analogue signal and is always (in my limited experience) used in place of YPbPr when that type of I/O is not present.

Walt

YCbCr is digital component video. For example, HDMI provides for either digital RGB or digital component video (YCrCb) output.

Not sure how this came up, but strictly speaking, RGB is considered to be part of the component video class. But I agree that through general use, we've come to unofficially redefine component video to mean YPrPb.

RGB is considered to be component video, because each component making up the overall signal is delivered via its own channel (wire), unlike composite or S-Video, where one or more of the luminance or color difference signals share space in the same channel (wire).

Yes, the Lumagens perform transcoding -- all scalers do.
post #1504 of 12787
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Originally Posted by panerd View Post

Anyone know which Directv satellite has the St. Louis locals on it? Just had a new dish and DVR installed and I can't get the local channels. Directv customer service is their usual 5-star quality.

SAT 103 has the HD locals. SAT 101 has the SD locals.

If your B Band converters are installed, disconnect those.

Also, they might need to resend the signal and or, you might need to reboot again.

Of you can resend your signal by clicking here, you will need to login to your
account online to do it though.
post #1505 of 12787
Thread Starter 
MLB Reportedly Ready to Forego DirecTV Exclusive

The following story excerpt is from today's TV Predictions newsletter:
____________________________________________________

Major League Baseball may be reconsidering a plan to award DIRECTV the exclusive rights to carry up to 60 games a week, including many in High-Definition.

...CNN/Money says one source "familiar with the negotiations" now believes that 'Extra Innings' will be available to all TV providers.

"I'd be surprised if the DIRECTV deal goes through," the source told the web site.

The league reportedly was enthusiastic about the DIRECTV deal in part because the satcaster promised to offer full support for its new Baseball Network in 2009, including widespread carriage. However, CNN/Money says the cable operators are now offering roughly the same deal for the new baseball channel.
____________________________________________________

To read the full story, click here
post #1506 of 12787
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Originally Posted by kdg454 View Post

He has DirecTV, not DISH.

Hmm, guess I should learn to read
post #1507 of 12787
Thread Starter 
TW, Comcast Reportedly Won't Give In to CBS Carriage Demands

The following story excerpt is from today's TV Predictions newsletter.
_______________________________________________

...But the New York Post reports that Comcast and Time Warner, which collectively has nearly 38 million subscribers, will reject the network's demands when their current carriage agreements expire in 2009. Citing sources, the newspaper says the cable ops are not taking the network seriously.

"It's going to be pretty difficult to argue with a straight face that Comcast or Time Warner should pay for what anyone who has a television antenna or an Internet connection can get for free," Sanford Bernstein analyst Craig Moffett told the newspaper.

If both sides maintain their current position, Comcast and Time Warner subscribers could risk losing their CBS signals in 2009.

That's also the year when the nation will switch from analog to Digital TV, which some observers fear will lead to millions of TV viewers losing their signals, at least temporarily.
_______________________________________________

To read the entire story, click here
post #1508 of 12787
Thread Starter 
Sony Plans to Offer $600 Blu-ray Player This Summer

What's ironic here is that on the one hand Sony wants to avoid commoditizing the pricing of its "next big thing" as long as it can, but it also wants to end the format competition with HD DVD by winning the numbers game.

If there were a single HD disc format, maybe prices could be kept in the $400 range for another 2 or 3 years. But now, the way things are going, HD DVD and Blu-ray players will be available at $199 by the Christmas 2007 shopping season.

The following is from today's TV Predictions newsletter:
___________________________________________________

Sony President Stan Glasgow said today that the company will drop Blu-ray HDTV DVD player prices by 50 percent by year's end. He added that the company will launch a $599 player in mid-summer.

Sony's Blu-ray high-def player is now priced at $999.

Glasgow's comments today are in sharp contrast to his remarks made in a January 17 interview with CNET's News.com. At that time, Glasgow said it could be three years before Blu-ray player prices dropped to $399.
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post #1509 of 12787
Got a question for some of y'all about the MLB package....It says it offers many games in HD...let's say the Cards are playing, IDK, the Mets...the Cards are only on FSN in SD, but the Mets are broadcasting the game in HD....will I be able to watch the Mets HD version? I'm just wondering how they do blackouts and all that with a sports package....I suppose in other words, am I "forced" to watch my market's broadcast of my home team?
post #1510 of 12787
Thread Starter 
Jeff,

Yes, the blackout rules apply as they normally would for SD broadcasts, so get Extra Innings isn't likely to yield you additional HD Cards' broadcasts.

One POSSIBLE exception to that rule of thumb would be the fact that WGN and TBS broadcasts are not blacked out when the Cards are playing the Cubs (or White Sox) or Braves, at least on the SD side. However, I am at least a little doubtful that this practice would be faithfully applied for HD broadcasts -- it should, but I think it's a subtle point that is likely lost when the blackouts gets imposed by DirecTV, DISH or whoever else might be distributing MLB EI...
post #1511 of 12787
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Originally Posted by DroptheRemote View Post

"It's going to be pretty difficult to argue with a straight face that Comcast or Time Warner should pay for what anyone who has a television antenna or an Internet connection can get for free," Sanford Bernstein analyst Craig Moffett told the newspaper.

I would think that an ethical viewpoint would be that if the programming is already supported by advertisers, re-transmitting it by satellite only brings that advertising to a wider market and thus benefits the advertiser and by extension, the station.

OTOH, if the satellite companies are required to pay for the programming, they should be able to blank the aired ads and insert their own.
post #1512 of 12787
"If your B Band converters are installed, disconnect those." ?????

Why?
post #1513 of 12787
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan in St. Louis View Post

I would think that an ethical viewpoint would be that if the programming is already supported by advertisers, re-transmitting it by satellite only brings that advertising to a wider market and thus benefits the advertiser and by extension, the station.

OTOH, if the satellite companies are required to pay for the programming, they should be able to blank the aired ads and insert their own.

This has nothing to do with ethics.

It's a ton of baloney to suggest that because this programming is free over the air that it can't be charged for through other distribution means. The Riverfront Times provides its editorial articles free to anyone who wants to pick up a copy of its weekly magazine, but that doesn't justify the Post-Dispatch demanding reprint rights to those articles without fees going to the RFT.

If a consumer wants the local digital stations for free, they need only erect an antenna and have the required equipment to receive these signals. On the other hand, if consumers want the convenience of it coming down their cable or satellite pipe with no fuss or muss (and cable/satellite companies see value in providing it in that form), they should expect to pay (charge) for that privilege.

Make no mistake -- I have no special love for either TV broadcasters or cable/satellite companies. But it's clear to me that everyone (including Moffett) is looking at this issue through the lens of "way it's always been" over the last 30 years, rather than the commercial realities.

I've long said that the balance of power lies with cable and satellite, because the locals have more to lose in viewership/ad rates than they have to gain via redistribution fees. But it seems clear now that broadcasters are going to go to the wall on this, and with the CBS network adopting this stance the hammer is definitely tipping in favor of the broadcasters.

This issue isn't going to go away and I still believe that Congressional intervention would be the worst possible outcome. But demagoguery is what our elected officials know best, so I suspect that's what ultimately happens.
post #1514 of 12787
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Originally Posted by Left Jeff View Post

Got a question for some of y'all about the MLB package....It says it offers many games in HD...let's say the Cards are playing, IDK, the Mets...the Cards are only on FSN in SD, but the Mets are broadcasting the game in HD....will I be able to watch the Mets HD version? I'm just wondering how they do blackouts and all that with a sports package....I suppose in other words, am I "forced" to watch my market's broadcast of my home team?


How about when FSMW-HD IS showing the game in HD on Dtv and Charter.
Anyone on the forum subscribe to MLB EI on Dish? Can you get the Cards HD broadcast or are they blacked out?
post #1515 of 12787
Good day to you all. To be brief, I am having issues with receiving KETC's HD broadcast. Parts List: I am using a Squareshooter SS-1000 with Radio Shack 15-2507 amp (not the best amp but it is all I had on hand). The television is a Samsung HPS-4253. There is about 50 feet total of RG-6 quad shielded coax between the antenna and the TV . I am able to pick up all of the other stations with no problem. The HPS-4253 has a signal strength meter that shows pretty much every station beteween 4 and 5 bars out of 5. I checked the antennaweb site and it looks like KETC is at 144 degrees and I made sure to point that direction. There are no major objects within the line of sight for at least 50 yards.

The closest major intersection to me is Highway M and Tom Ginnever.

Any suggestions/comments/sarcasm would be greatly appreciated.
post #1516 of 12787
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iguru1234 View Post

Good day to you all. To be brief, I am having issues with receiving KETC's HD broadcast. Parts List: I am using a Squareshooter SS-1000 with Radio Shack 15-2507 amp (not the best amp but it is all I had on hand). The television is a Samsung HPS-4253. There is about 50 feet total of RG-6 quad shielded coax between the antenna and the TV . I am able to pick up all of the other stations with no problem. The HPS-4253 has a signal strength meter that shows pretty much every station beteween 4 and 5 bars out of 5. I checked the antennaweb site and it looks like KETC is at 144 degrees and I made sure to point that direction. There are no major objects within the line of sight for at least 50 yards.

The closest major intersection to me is Highway M and Tom Ginnever.

Any suggestions/comments/sarcasm would be greatly appreciated.

If you're getting all the other stations with reasonably strong signals, I wouldn't expect that you'd have problems with KETC.

Two possibilities come to mind (but unfortunately neither of them presents much opportunity for sarcasm ):

* Position your antenna to line up with the KETC tower. Unplug your receiver and leave it unplugged for 5 minutes. Power it back up and re-scan for all channels and see if it discovers the KETC signal.

* If the first step doesn't work, try physically moving your antenna. Although you'd usually get intermittent reception with multipath, it might also explain why you're getting no signal at all. Moving your antenna -- forward/backward, right/left, up/down and varying the angle --- may allow you to skirt around the possibility of a reflected signal that is causing your receiver to reject the primary signal.

If neither of these steps results in a fix, you may want to look at a different antenna. Although I have zero direct experience with the Square Shooter, I have am highly skeptical of any antenna that puts significant effort into looking like a misplaced pizza box.

I stand corrected -- sarcasm is in the house...
post #1517 of 12787
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Originally Posted by DroptheRemote View Post

MLB Reportedly Ready to Forego DirecTV Exclusive

The following story excerpt is from today's TV Predictions newsletter:
____________________________________________________

Major League Baseball may be reconsidering a plan to award DIRECTV the exclusive rights to carry up to 60 games a week, including many in High-Definition.

...CNN/Money says one source "familiar with the negotiations" now believes that 'Extra Innings' will be available to all TV providers.

"I'd be surprised if the DIRECTV deal goes through," the source told the web site.

The league reportedly was enthusiastic about the DIRECTV deal in part because the satcaster promised to offer full support for its new Baseball Network in 2009, including widespread carriage. However, CNN/Money says the cable operators are now offering roughly the same deal for the new baseball channel.
____________________________________________________

To read the full story, click here

Yay!



Quote:
Originally Posted by duihlein View Post

How about when FSMW-HD IS showing the game in HD on Dtv and Charter.
Anyone on the forum subscribe to MLB EI on Dish? Can you get the Cards HD broadcast or are they blacked out?

It should be noted, MLB EI does not broadcast all scheduled games. Rather, MLB EI broadcasts a selection of games. They produce a schedule, at the beginning of the season, just like any other broadcaster.

DISH will usually air one HD game per day on 9467. They are PPV for non-MLB EI subs, and free to MLB EI subs. Last season, they aired 4 Cardinal HD games, and all were blacked out. In almost all cases, home or away, Cardinals games aired into the STL DMA via MLB EI is blacked out.

MLB EI is for watching out-of-market games.
post #1518 of 12787
Thanks for the response and the laugh!

I agree about the pizzabox shape but, it had a better WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) that the Yagi I really wanted. I did try moving the antenna around but only a few feet, tilt, and even rotation. I even made sure that I am dead set pointed at 144 degrees to maximize signal reception. My wife grew tired of working on this and it is really tough to do this alone. It might me time to sneak out and go antenna shopping.

Cheers!


Quote:
Originally Posted by DroptheRemote View Post

If you're getting all the other stations with reasonably strong signals, I wouldn't expect that you'd have problems with KETC.

Two possibilities come to mind (but unfortunately neither of them presents much opportunity for sarcasm ):

* Position your antenna to line up with the KETC tower. Unplug your receiver and leave it unplugged for 5 minutes. Power it back up and re-scan for all channels and see if it discovers the KETC signal.

* If the first step doesn't work, try physically moving your antenna. Although you'd usually get intermittent reception with multipath, it might also explain why you're getting no signal at all. Moving your antenna -- forward/backward, right/left, up/down and varying the angle --- may allow you to skirt around the possibility of a reflected signal that is causing your receiver to reject the primary signal.

If neither of these steps results in a fix, you may want to look at a different antenna. Although I have zero direct experience with the Square Shooter, I have am highly skeptical of any antenna that puts significant effort into looking like a misplaced pizza box.

I stand corrected -- sarcasm is in the house...
post #1519 of 12787
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Originally Posted by iguru1234 View Post


Any suggestions/comments/sarcasm would be greatly appreciated.

Welcome to the forum!

Scott
post #1520 of 12787
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Originally Posted by iguru1234 View Post

Thanks for the response and the laugh!

I agree about the pizzabox shape but, it had a better WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) that the Yagi I really wanted. I did try moving the antenna around but only a few feet, tilt, and even rotation. I even made sure that I am dead set pointed at 144 degrees to maximize signal reception. My wife grew tired of working on this and it is really tough to do this alone. It might me time to sneak out and go antenna shopping.

Cheers!

FWIW, the second antenna I tried was the Square Shooter. I was able to take it back to Skywalker. I was not able to pull half of my channels in. It was while I was experimenting with it that one of the Winegard guys suggested tilting it. I see you said you tilted it. Try really tilting it. The Winegard guy said to turn it 180 degrees which is backwards. I tried several things and ended up returning it.

You mentioned you tried moving it a few feet. Once you are getting the channels in fairly well, try moving it a few INCHES at a time. Use tape and a marker to number the tape and start moving it a little at a time. It makes it easier for the person watching inside and is easier to keep track of changes. The last person who helped me suggested the tape and numbering.

I have a Channel Master 4221. It's a 4-bay antenna pointed south. From the street only the profile is seen. It's slim unlike a Yagi. I have multipath issues and adding height to it helped as did a lot of tilt. I was leaning towards a Yagi style antenna when I first started researching. I found many people were getting better results with the CM 4221 and the 4228, its bigger brother.

My CM was $20 at Skywalker. Their shipping is also very reasonable.

Edit: Are you using the S shaped mast or the J type? The J is higher.

Skywalker Communications
9390 Veterans Memorial Pkwy
O'Fallon, MO 63366
(800) 844-9555
(314) 272-8025
Fax (314) 272-8214

Antennas Direct
1699 West 5th Street - Suite F
Eureka, MO 63025
877-825-5572
post #1521 of 12787
Scott lives in O'Fallon. What antenna are you using Scott?
post #1522 of 12787
A couple of new things:
KNLC is *finally* broadcasting somewhere near to full power. You're not really missing anyting on KNLC-DT, but the fact of the matter is that you can actually get it in (or at least I can) with minimal fuss. Type in 14, and et viola!. It's stretched 4:3 to a 16:9 frame, but they are doing something WRBU won't: put out a 16:9 signal. Seriously, I would take 16:9 480p, if WRBU can manage it. 4:3 is embarassing.

I've pulled off a feat that may bring smiles to posters here: I can officially get all the DT locals on with the Samsung reciever. Last night, the last holdout, KNLC finally came in. I've got some multipath issues, but they all come in. I've achieved this with an indoor antenna (a lowly Zenith Silver Sensor).

The computer is a different story...
post #1523 of 12787
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Originally Posted by MoInSTL View Post

Scott lives in O'Fallon. What antenna are you using Scott?

Terk

TV32

Medium Directional UHF

Mounted in my attic

Features:

Pefect for UHF only reception in suburban areas

CEA color code: Light Green

Constructed of high-tensile aluminum for extra strength

High-quality polymer finish protects the surface from oxidation

Includes mounting kit with 5' mast, wall and attic mounts

http://www.audiovox.com/webapp/wcs/s...4176&langId=-1

Scott
post #1524 of 12787
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Originally Posted by DroptheRemote View Post

On the other hand, if consumers want the convenience of it coming down their cable or satellite pipe with no fuss or muss (and cable/satellite companies see value in providing it in that form), they should expect to pay (charge) for that privilege.

I would suggest that an equally valid argument is that the locals should pay the satellite to present their ads to a wider audience. Are ad rates not based on eyeballs? More eyeballs, the local can charge more for ads?
post #1525 of 12787
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Originally Posted by Clue View Post

"If your B Band converters are installed, disconnect those." ?????

Why?

1. They are not needed yet.
2. They have been coming out of the box bad.
3. Simple elimination of problems.
post #1526 of 12787
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Originally Posted by iguru1234 View Post

Thanks for the response and the laugh!

I agree about the pizzabox shape but, it had a better WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) that the Yagi I really wanted. I did try moving the antenna around but only a few feet, tilt, and even rotation. I even made sure that I am dead set pointed at 144 degrees to maximize signal reception. My wife grew tired of working on this and it is really tough to do this alone. It might me time to sneak out and go antenna shopping.

Cheers!

iguru

I agree about the antenna search but if WAF is a problem perhaps you should add "rotor" to the list. Then you can do it without her help.

Walt
post #1527 of 12787
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan in St. Louis View Post

I would suggest that an equally valid argument is that the locals should pay the satellite to present their ads to a wider audience. Are ad rates not based on eyeballs? More eyeballs, the local can charge more for ads?

If that's a valid argument, then why didn't that happen back at the turn of the century, when satellite companies were allowed for the first time to carry local stations?

Hmmmm... The only explanation I can come up with is that the people who ran DirecTV and DISH then were just flat-out stupid. After all, they willingly paid for something that you think they should have been paid for taking off the hands of the local stations.

No, the fact is that satellite television subscriber numbers and profits took off like a rocket ship once DISH Network and DirecTV were allowed to pay for the privilege of carrying local stations. I don't know of any better illustration of the value of the content that local stations control. Obviously the people running the satellite TV companies recognized that value and how it could help to catapult their businesses to the next level.

And at that very moment, cable TV executives had to have heard the sound of the other shoe dropping. I don't know -- maybe they actually believed that the cost of carrying those stations would put the satellite guys out of business. Whatever, they completely dropped the ball and never even tried to pick it up. I mean, they could have completely avoided the current drama years ago by including off-air analog and/or digital tuners in all their cable set-tops.

But then, that's not how monopolists think -- they don't need to adapt, because they believe market will ultimately bend to their will.

The key problem underlying the ongoing dispute between local stations and cable companies is the fact that the market for local station distribution has been distorted by government regulation -- regulation that no doubt had good intentions way back when and may even have been necessary in the early days of cable television. But look at how screwed up things are now -- satellite willingly pays for local station carriage, while cable, the primary competition of the sat TV industry, goes running to the government for relief when they're asked to do the same.

And your solution is that local stations should pay satellite? I don't get it, but I give you mucho points for way-outside-the-box thinking.
post #1528 of 12787
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoInSTL View Post

FWIW, the second antenna I tried was the Square Shooter. I was able to take it back to Skywalker. I was not able to pull half of my channels in. It was while I was experimenting with it that one of the Winegard guys suggested tilting it. I see you said you tilted it. Try really tilting it. The Winegard guy said to turn it 180 degrees which is backwards. I tried several things and ended up returning it.

You mentioned you tried moving it a few feet. Once you are getting the channels in fairly well, try moving it a few INCHES at a time. Use tape and a marker to number the tape and start moving it a little at a time. It makes it easier for the person watching inside and is easier to keep track of changes. The last person who helped me suggested the tape and numbering.

I have a Channel Master 4221. It's a 4-bay antenna pointed south. From the street only the profile is seen. It's slim unlike a Yagi. I have multipath issues and adding height to it helped as did a lot of tilt. I was leaning towards a Yagi style antenna when I first started researching. I found many people were getting better results with the CM 4221 and the 4228, its bigger brother.

My CM was $20 at Skywalker. Their shipping is also very reasonable.

Edit: Are you using the S shaped mast or the J type? The J is higher.

Skywalker Communications
9390 Veterans Memorial Pkwy
O'Fallon, MO 63366
(800) 844-9555
(314) 272-8025
Fax (314) 272-8214

Antennas Direct
1699 West 5th Street - Suite F
Eureka, MO 63025
877-825-5572

Thanks for the response! I have a J type mount. I will give the major tilt suggestion a try since I was only tilting a few degrees at the most. I just have to get my wife on board for another round of signal strength meter watching.

Cheers!
post #1529 of 12787
Quote:
Originally Posted by aspec2 View Post

iguru

I agree about the antenna search but if WAF is a problem perhaps you should add "rotor" to the list. Then you can do it without her help.

Walt

That is a great idea! I do not know why I did not think about that before. Thanks!
post #1530 of 12787
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjohnson View Post

A couple of new things:
KNLC is *finally* broadcasting somewhere near to full power. You're not really missing anyting on KNLC-DT, but the fact of the matter is that you can actually get it in (or at least I can) with minimal fuss. Type in 14, and et viola!. It's stretched 4:3 to a 16:9 frame, but they are doing something WRBU won't: put out a 16:9 signal. Seriously, I would take 16:9 480p, if WRBU can manage it. 4:3 is embarassing.

I've pulled off a feat that may bring smiles to posters here: I can officially get all the DT locals on with the Samsung reciever. Last night, the last holdout, KNLC finally came in. I've got some multipath issues, but they all come in. I've achieved this with an indoor antenna (a lowly Zenith Silver Sensor).

The computer is a different story...

That lowly SS happens to be, in my opinion, the best indoor antenna on the market. I have one and I can pull in all the channels with easy and it is inside my garage...just has to be pointed in the right direction.
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