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post #1531 of 12968
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Originally Posted by DroptheRemote View Post

If that's a valid argument, then why didn't that happen back at the turn of the century, when satellite companies were allowed for the first time to carry local stations?

Hmmmm... The only explanation I can come up with is that the people who ran DirecTV and DISH then were just flat-out stupid. After all, they willingly paid for something that you think they should have been paid for taking off the hands of the local stations.

No, the fact is that satellite television subscriber numbers and profits took off like a rocket ship once DISH Network and DirecTV were allowed to pay for the privilege of carrying local stations. I don't know of any better illustration of the value of the content that local stations control. Obviously the people running the satellite TV companies recognized that value and how it could help to catapult their businesses to the next level.

And at that very moment, cable TV executives had to have heard the sound of the other shoe dropping. I don't know -- maybe they actually believed that the cost of carrying those stations would put the satellite guys out of business. Whatever, they completely dropped the ball and never even tried to pick it up. I mean, they could have completely avoided the current drama years ago by including off-air analog and/or digital tuners in all their cable set-tops.

But then, that's not how monopolists think -- they don't need to adapt, because they believe market will ultimately bend to their will.

The key problem underlying the ongoing dispute between local stations and cable companies is the fact that the market for local station distribution has been distorted by government regulation -- regulation that no doubt had good intentions way back when and may even have been necessary in the early days of cable television. But look at how screwed up things are now -- satellite willingly pays for local station carriage, while cable, the primary competition of the sat TV industry, goes running to the government for relief when they're asked to do the same.

And your solution is that local stations should pay satellite? I don't get it, but I give you mucho points for way-outside-the-box thinking.

I think Dan's point is, the value is in the programming, not the ads, so if Cable/Satellite has to pay to carry the signal, then they shouldn't have to carry the ads. Using your Post Dispatch/Riverfront times example, if the Post decides to carry a story from the Riverfront times, they have to pay a re-print fee, but they certainly don't have to carry a selection of the phone sex ads usually present in the RFT . This is obviously only a theoretical point, since there's no way a station is going to strip the ads out of its broadcast signal.
post #1532 of 12968
In response to all of todays comments-antenna problems-rebroadcast of cable vs. over the air-satellite reception problems. Remember when you came home, turned on the TV and changed channels (of course there were only 4 channels to choose from.) With the choice of 300 channels comes all this complication-over the air-which satellite, problems with satellite and cable, etc. etc. etc. I'm starting to sound like my father.
post #1533 of 12968
Chuckparr,

Yes, I remember those days. I also remember having to boil hotdogs to cook them. Now I microwave them. What could you all live without for a week TV or microwave?

Scott
post #1534 of 12968
Anyone interested....Thursday's Card/Mets game, is on MLB TV.
(subscription required-no blackouts for ST games)
post #1535 of 12968
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Originally Posted by Scott Tucker View Post

Chuckparr,

Yes, I remember those days. I also remember having to boil hotdogs to cook them. Now I microwave them. What could you all live without for a week TV or microwave?

Scott

Microwave hotdogs? Yuck.. grill them babies
post #1536 of 12968
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Originally Posted by StLouG View Post

That lowly SS happens to be, in my opinion, the best indoor antenna on the market. I have one and I can pull in all the channels with easy and it is inside my garage...just has to be pointed in the right direction.

The USB receiver I use with the computer seems to be a little more finicky. I would guess that SS would work, but I haven't have a chance to do tests with the SS. If it does work...I'll buy a second one.
post #1537 of 12968
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Originally Posted by DroptheRemote View Post

And your solution is that local stations should pay satellite? I don't get it, but I give you mucho points for way-outside-the-box thinking.

I think you realize that I do not advocate that, but simply presented that it could be an equally argued viewpoint.
post #1538 of 12968
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Originally Posted by wmschultz View Post

1. They are not needed yet.
2. They have been coming out of the box bad.
3. Simple elimination of problems.

Yeah, it's looking like the installer didn't know how to correctly point the dish. The sat. with the St. Louis HD stations on it doesn't even register above a 20 signal strength on any of the transponders. I would love to try and fix this myself, but they said they would send a tech out tomorrow.

On a side note I get really bad green horizontal lines moving through my image background. While the ESPN HD image blows away anything my projector was doing last week these lines are making all of the other channels almost unwatchable. It is most noticable when on a whiter background and for some reason on HBO HD. My low knowledge research has found that some internet users call these "Hum Bars" and suggest that grounding may be an issue. Anyone heard of this being a problem with the Directv HD-DVR? I have never seen this problem occur this until this new equipment was installed yesterday. Is this a pretty well known problem or am I just a lucky one? (I don't get the "hum bars" at all on my DVD player so it has to have something to do with the DVR. I will post something similar on a directv user site, but any info/help is always welcome!)
post #1539 of 12968
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Originally Posted by panerd View Post

Yeah, it's looking like the installer didn't know how to correctly point the dish. The sat. with the St. Louis HD stations on it doesn't even register above a 20 signal strength on any of the transponders. I would love to try and fix this myself, but they said they would send a tech out tomorrow.

I really should by a Super Buddy and just provide a service to our locally community. These installers are absolutely awful.
post #1540 of 12968
Thread Starter 
From March 1, all TVs Sold with Analog Tuner to Include Digital Tuner

The following story is from today's Retail Bridge newsletter:
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The 2009 digital TV transition is getting closer every day, and, starting this Thursday, every television that ships with an analog tuner will also include a DTV tuner.

"The finish line for the transition to digital broadcasting is less than 2 years away, and the consumer electronics industry has reason to celebrate this latest milestone on the pathway to a successful transition," said CEA president and CEO Gary Shapiro. "As of March 1, any product shipped with an analog TV tuner will also include a DTV tuner, making access to the benefits of DTV a reality for more American consumers as these shipments reach the retail store shelf."

The move represents the final step in the DTV transition as broadcasters and consumers gear up for the all-digital switch coming in February 2009. The CEA has been active in recent years in helping buyers understand this change, pushing manufacturers to include DTV information with their products and encouraging retailers to display DTV materials in their stores.
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post #1541 of 12968
Thread Starter 
AT&T Announces Expanded Rollout of U-verse TV Service

U-verse has only 7,000 subscribers to date? In isolation, I'd say this proves my point that the telecos should be acting as a wholesaler of TV delivery bandwidth rather than end seller, but then there's the Verizon subscriber numbers, which aren't so shabby...

AT&T needs to get moving fast, or the U-verse "death watch" countdown clock will start to tick on Wall Street...

The following story excerpt is from today TV Predictions newsletter:
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Looking for a high-def alternative to cable and satellite?

AT&T says it's shaking off the cobwebs and will soon roll out its TV service to several more markets. The telco offers nearly 30 different High-Definition channels, more than any other TV provider except for EchoStar's Dish Network.

The company had launched its 'U-verse' TV service in 11 cities at the end of 2006, but software glitches forced it to hit the pause button. AT&T is using IPTV software from Microsoft, which has a history of TV-related software problems.

However, AT&T says it will offer U-verse in parts of Milwaukee and Racine, Wisconsin at once and Dallas-Fort Worth and Kansas City next month. Several more markets are expected to get the service soon thereafter.

Like Verizon, which has also launched a TV service, AT&T hopes that U-verse will appeal to viewers frustrated with cable and satellite.

"We have had our fits and starts, but right now we feel we're in a pretty good place," John Stankey, AT&T's group president for operations support, told the Associated Press yesterday. "We're ready to play the game and put numbers on the board."

The company says it now has only about 7,000 subscribers, although it's available in markets with more than two million homes, according to AP. The wire service says Verizon had signed up 217,000 subscribers by the end of 2006.
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For additional analysis of the AT&T U-verse news, click here
post #1542 of 12968
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Originally Posted by DroptheRemote View Post

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"The finish line for the transition to digital broadcasting is less than 2 years away, and the consumer electronics industry has reason to celebrate this latest milestone on the pathway to a successful transition," said CEA president and CEO Gary Shapiro. "As of March 1, any product shipped with an analog TV tuner will also include a DTV tuner, making access to the benefits of DTV a reality for more American consumers as these shipments reach the retail store shelf."
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Anyone have any idea on when/if a simple ATSC tuner for "legacy" TV's is fothcoming.

Right now I pump a composite feed from my LG 3510A into a RF modulator for TV's other than the living room HDTV.

Wasn't the whole subsidy debate about outfitting "people without means" with such a beast?
post #1543 of 12968
Dave

I set the DVR to record a HD movie in the early morning. Shut it off and went to bed. The movie was recorded. I am now transferring the movie from the Moto 3416 to the hard drive in my HTPC via firewire. I am only going to record 30 minutes of the movie as I am not really interested in it and I have an IEP to attend in an hour. This is just a test to see if it can be done. I have not tried the channel changer yet but I don't see how I would need it. For you Dave, I'll give it a try later today time permitting.

Walt
post #1544 of 12968
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Originally Posted by DroptheRemote View Post

AT&T Announces Expanded Rollout of U-verse TV Service

U-verse has only 7,000 subscribers to date? In isolation, I'd say this proves my point that the telecos should be acting as a wholesaler of TV delivery bandwidth rather than end seller, but then there's the Verizon subscriber numbers, which aren't so shabby...

Doug

I think AT&T runs fiber to the neighborhood and coax to your house????? I understand Verizon runs fiber to your house. I read where Verizon will give you a 30mps connection on the east coast. They had a lot of problems in the beginning but I have not heard of any recently. If this is true, I am not surprised why Verizon is beating AT&T. Now that I have a DVR I think I will be waiting for the Verizon service.

Walt
post #1545 of 12968
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by aspec2 View Post

Doug

I think AT&T runs fiber to the neighborhood and coax to your house????? I understand Verizon runs fiber to your house. I read where Verizon will give you a 30mps connection on the east coast. They had a lot of problems in the beginning but I have not heard of any recently. If this is true, I am not surprised why Verizon is beating AT&T. Now that I have a DVR I think I will be waiting for the Verizon service.

Walt,

Yes, I think that's correct about the network -- though I can't even get AT&T DSL in my neighborhood. By the by, a customer told me last night that AT&T is REQUIRED to offer DSL to every home in Illinois by the end of 2007. Considering my Charter Pipeline continues to emulate a yo-yo (up and down at least two dozen times in the last 48 hours), I CAN'T WAIT.

On the other hand, I think you might be waiting quite a while for Verizon's FioS here, as it probably is only going to be available initially in markets where Verizon is the primary provider of local phone services. Running fiber to the home in a market that is effectively "owned" by AT&T doesn't seem like a recipe for timely return on investment.
post #1546 of 12968
Originally Posted by wmschultz
1. They are not needed yet.
2. They have been coming out of the box bad.
3. Simple elimination of problems.

I wasn't aware of that. I have been having problems with my H20 (not HR) where after an amount of time the picture on certain SD channels will begin to breakup, freeze, and pixelate. My other SD receiver is fine on those same channels at the same time. If I change channels on the H20 and back the picture is again fine for a period of time. The problem doesn't happen on any of the MP4 locals or the MP2 national HDs..only SD nationals. Wonder if the converter could be contributing?

At what point is the B-Band converter necessary? How do you identify a bad one?

Also in response to the wealth of channels available now...when I grew up we had ONE channel available (CBS affiliate from Cape Girardeau). On good days we could barely pick up NBC from Paducah, KY. Later, my dad raised the antenna and added a rotor and we could then also pick up ABC from Jonesboro, ARK. I don't feel so bad now.
post #1547 of 12968
[quote=aspec2]Dave

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I set the DVR to record a HD movie

Is this movie not 5c encrypted?

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I am now transferring the movie from the Moto 3416 to the hard drive in my HTPC via firewire.

I thought the only way to record 5c encrypted HD via firewire was with a Mac or DVHS?

Help me out here.
Thanks
post #1548 of 12968
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by eyezen View Post

Anyone have any idea on when/if a simple ATSC tuner for "legacy" TV's is fothcoming.

Right now I pump a composite feed from my LG 3510A into a RF modulator for TV's other the living room HDTV.

Wasn't the whole subsidy debate about outfitting "people without means" with such a beast?

There will be a subsidy (aka TV "food stamps") of around $150 for each household.

No word on who, if anyone, is building this $150 (or less) receiver/converter, but I would assume that there will be one or more providers looking to tap into this opportunity.
post #1549 of 12968
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Originally Posted by Clue View Post

Originally Posted by wmschultz
1. They are not needed yet.
2. They have been coming out of the box bad.
3. Simple elimination of problems.

I wasn't aware of that. I have been having problems with my H20 (not HR) where after an amount of time the picture on certain SD channels will begin to breakup, freeze, and pixelate. My other SD receiver is fine on those same channels at the same time. If I change channels on the H20 and back the picture is again fine for a period of time. The problem doesn't happen on any of the MP4 locals or the MP2 national HDs..only SD nationals. Wonder if the converter could be contributing?

At what point is the B-Band converter necessary? How do you identify a bad one?

The only way to tell if the B-Band converter is bad is to take it out of line and see if your problem goes away.

They will probably be required when the new national HD channels are available because
these should be on the new satellites that are supposed to be launched soon.
post #1550 of 12968
[quote=DLSDO]
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Originally Posted by aspec2 View Post

Dave



Is this movie not 5c encrypted?



I thought the only way to record 5c encrypted HD via firewire was with a Mac or DVHS?

Help me out here.
Thanks

Of course the movie is NOT 5C encrypted. I never said I could copy a 5C encrypted movie. In a previous post, I said that the channel that is 5C'd the most is HDnet Movies. All the others hardly ever have 5C set. I have a perfect 30 minute trial copy of an HBOHD presentation on my HTPC. It took 2.053gig of hard drive space for the 30 minutes. To all those that said it was was impossible to do this.....FOOOIEE.

Walt
post #1551 of 12968
Doug

Makes sense but we can hope ya no. This capability would take VOD to a whole new level.

Walt
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[quote=aspec2]
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Originally Posted by DLSDO View Post


Of course the movie is NOT 5C encrypted. I never said I could copy a 5C encrypted movie. In a previous post, I said that the channel that is 5C'd the most is HDnet Movies. All the others hardly ever have 5C set. I have a perfect 30 minute trial copy of an HBOHD presentation on my HTPC. It took 2.053gig of hard drive space for the 30 minutes. To all those that said it was was impossible to do this.....FOOOIEE.

Walt

That is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! This is exactly why I have avoided diving into the HTPC world. I can not believe its not encrypted.

Nice work

Thanks for the info
post #1553 of 12968
Doug (droptheremote) and Walt (aspec2):

U-Verse is FTTN (Fibre to the Node/Neighborhood depending on who you ask) with the "last mile" being twisted pair, not coax.

It's actually vDSL (Very high speed DSL), with twisted pair over the run from the node/neighborhood to the house.

Cheers,
post #1554 of 12968
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Originally Posted by aspec2 View Post

Doug

Makes sense but we can hope ya no. This capability would take VOD to a whole new level.

Walt

Actually, the whole model of U-Verse is essentially VOD. When you select a channel, it's going to start streaming down your selection. When you goto another channel, it stops the current stream and starts another stream.

The downside is that (at this point) you are limited to just 1 HD channel at a time with U-Verse.

Cheers,
post #1555 of 12968
Done! Dish finally got installed after three seperate snow delays in Feb, and I'm off to Charter's office in T&C to drop off my CableCard! Suh-weet! Also got my internet price dropped, so overall I'm saving about $40/month.

-Matt
post #1556 of 12968
Awesome Matt! Welcome to the wonderful world of satellite.

Scott
post #1557 of 12968
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Originally Posted by matth1138 View Post

Done! Dish finally got installed after three seperate snow delays in Feb, and I'm off to Charter's office in T&C to drop off my CableCard! Suh-weet! Also got my internet price dropped, so overall I'm saving about $40/month.

-Matt

I, too, am ready to kick Charter out my door, at least for tv. Dish is supposed to be here by noon today to install. Had it set up for 2 weeks ago but got snowed out. Matth, how low did they go for your internet?
post #1558 of 12968
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Originally Posted by John Kotches View Post

Doug (droptheremote) and Walt (aspec2):

U-Verse is FTTN (Fibre to the Node/Neighborhood depending on who you ask) with the "last mile" being twisted pair, not coax.

It's actually vDSL (Very high speed DSL), with twisted pair over the run from the node/neighborhood to the house.

Cheers,

Yes, that's the difference between them and Verizon. There is no way you could get 30mps from AT&T with coax or twisted pair pipe pinch. Verizon on the east coast goes fiber all the way to the house, from what I have read. With that much bandwidth, I see no reason why you could not get multiple channels simultaneously.

Walt
post #1559 of 12968
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Originally Posted by aspec2 View Post

Yes, that's the difference between them and Verizon. There is no way you could get 30mps from AT&T with coax or twisted pair pipe pinch. Verizon on the east coast goes fiber all the way to the house, from what I have read. With that much bandwidth, I see no reason why you could not get multiple channels simultaneously.

Walt

Yes, that's the difference between Verizon's FIoS (FTTH/FTTP) versus ATT's U-Verse (FTTN). By not changing over until the customers home, you don't have to worry about signal degredation nearly as much as you do with FTTN. There are very few homes where the cable lengths will exceed 200' versus a limit of about 4K feet for FTTN.

Cheers,
post #1560 of 12968
I have a Dish installer here now. Having 2 dual tuner receivers installed, one HD. I had asked him about putting up an ota antenna--he says I don't need one, I'll get all local channels in HD. True? What is the point of getting the channels ota?
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