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post #2581 of 12787
"Charter" + "negotiations" = lost channel

I thought the idea was to add channels and improve your product. I feel for those golf fans still with C*.

Glad I made the switch to E* last month and will be watching the Masters (and other tornaments) in HD instead of the "temporarily" out of service 4HD from Charter.
post #2582 of 12787
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Originally Posted by twombomber View Post

I thought the idea was to add channels and improve your product. I feel for those golf fans still with C*.

More is generally considered to better, but in fact one of the problems with lots and lots of channel additions over the years is that picture quality has gone into the tank.

It will be interesting to see how long before ESPN and others start yanking the plug on their longtime analog flagships. Granted, we're talking many years down the road, but at some point these channels will no longer be needed or won't be watched by enough viewers to justify the cost overhead.

Maybe we should start a pool -- I'll put up $10 for ESPN analog going dark on January 1, 2014.

The more interesting and relevant question is how long before cable and satellite pricing recognizes that subscribers won't accept paying for baseline analog packages they never watch. Right now, we're all paying EXTRA to see HD versions of what are mostly high-resolution carbon copies of analog channels. At some point, that makes no sense at all. I think that could be a challenging financial maneuver, but have little doubt that subscribers will be expected to shoulder the burden.
post #2583 of 12787
I don't think this was posted yet:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6628342

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Originally Posted by The FSNMIDWEST Website View Post


FSN MIDWEST ANNOUNCES 37-GAME HIGH DEFINITION SCHEDULE FOR ST. LOUIS CARDINALS BASEBALL

FSN Midwest, the primary television home of St. Louis Cardinals baseball, is scheduled to televise 37 Cardinals games in High Definition in 2007. The schedule features more than twice as many HD games as last season, when FSN Midwest produced 18 Cardinals HD telecasts.

FSN Midwest's HD slate begins Tuesday, April 3, when the Cardinals host the New York Mets and receive their World Series rings in a pregame ceremony. That night, both the game and one-hour pregame show will be shown in HD. Other highlights of the HD schedule include the April 4 game against the Mets, four games vs. the rival Chicago Cubs and five against fellow NL Central power the Houston Astros.

HD games are telecast by FSN Midwest in the 720p format, which renders ultra-sharp pictures and provides excellent resolution for sports programming. The standard-definition telecast of the same game appears on the regular FSN Midwest channel while FSN Midwest HD games appear on a separate channel.

Viewers should contact their cable or satellite provider to find out if FSN's HD telecasts are available in their area.

FSN Midwest telecasts more than 850 hours of Cardinals programming in 2007, including 130 regular season games, two spring training games, the Cardinals Live pregame and postgame show, classic Cardinals games and more.

2007 FSN Midwest St. Louis Cardinals HD Schedule

Tue Apr 3 New York Mets 7:00 p.m.
Wed Apr 4 New York Mets 7:00 p.m.
Fri Apr 27 Chicago Cubs 7:00 p.m.
Mon Apr 30 at Milwaukee 6:00 p.m.
Fri May 4 Houston 7:00 p.m.
Sat May 5 Houston 12:00 p.m.
Tue May 15 at Los Angeles 9:00 p.m.
Sat May 19 at Detroit 6:00 p.m.
Fri June 1 at Houston 7:00 p.m.
Fri June 8 L.A. Angels 7:00 p.m.
Sat June 9 L.A. Angels 6:00 p.m.
Mon June 18 Kansas City 7:00 p.m.
Mon July 2 Arizona 7:00 p.m.
Tue July 3 Arizona 7:00 p.m.
Wed July 4 Arizona 6:00 p.m.
Thu July 5 Arizona 6:00 p.m.
Fri July 6 San Francisco 7:00 p.m.
Sat July 7 San Francisco 6:00 p.m.
Fri July 20 at Atlanta 6:30 p.m.
Tue July 24 Chicago Cubs 7:00 p.m.
Thu July 26 Chicago Cubs 7:00 p.m.
Fri July 27 Milwaukee 7:00 p.m.
Sat July 28 Milwaukee 6:00 p.m.
Mon Aug 6 San Diego 7:00 p.m.
Tue Aug 7 San Diego 7:00 p.m.
Wed Aug 8 San Diego 7:00 p.m.
Thu Aug 9 San Diego 7:00 p.m.
Fri Aug 24 Atlanta 7:00 p.m.
Sat Aug. 25 Atlanta 6:00 p.m.
Tue Sept. 4 Pittsburgh 7:00 p.m.
Wed Sept. 5 Pittsburgh 7:00 p.m.
Fri Sept. 14 Chicago Cubs 7:00 p.m.
Mon Sept. 17 Philadelphia 7:00 p.m.
Tue Sept. 18 Philadelphia 7:00 p.m.
Wed Sept. 19 Philadelphia 7:00 p.m.
Thu Sept. 20 Houston 7:00 p.m.
Fri Sept. 21 Houston 7:00 p.m.
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ST. LOUIS CARDINALS HD SCHEDULE 2007

APRIL
1 Sunday 7:05PM Mets ESPN2HD [L 1-6]
3 Tuesday 7:10PM Mets FSNMW-HD [L 1-4]
4 Wednesday 7:10PM Mets ESPN2HD/FSNMW-HD* [L 0-10]
15 Sunday 1:15PM Brewers KSDK-DT [W 10-2]
21 Saturday 2:55PM @Cubs FOX/KTVI-DT** [L 0-6]
22 Sunday 1:20PM @Cubs KSDK-DT [W 12-9]
28 Saturday 2:55PM Cubs FOX/KTVI-DT** [L 1-8]
30 Monday 6:05PM @Brewers ESPNHD/FSN* [L 1-7]

MAY
1 Tuesday 7:10PM @Brewers FSNMW-HD [L 2-12]
4 Friday 7:10PM Astros FSNMW-HD [W 3-2]
5 Saturday 12:10 Astros FSNMW-HD [L 0-13]
6 Sunday 1:15PM Astros KSDK-DT [W 3-1]
15 Tuesday 9:10PM @Dodgers FSNMW-HD [L 4-5]
19 Saturday 6:05PM @Tigers FSNMW-HD [L 7-8]
20 Sunday 12:05PM @Tigers KSDK-DT [L 3-6]
27 Sunday 1:15PM Nationals KSDK-DT [L 2-7]

JUNE
1 Friday 7:05PM @Astros FSNMW-HD [W 8-1]
2 Saturday 2:55PM @Astros FOX/KTVI-DT** [L 3-8]
3 Sunday 1:05PM @Astros KSDK-DT [W 8-6]
8 Friday 7:10PM Angels FSNMW-HD [L 6-10]
9 Saturday 6:15PM Angels FSNMW-HD [L 3-9]
10 Sunday 1:15PM Angels KSDK-DT [W 9-6]
18 Monday 7:10 Royals FSNMW-HD [L 3-5]
23 Saturday 12:10PM Phillies KSDK-DT [W 8-2]
24 Sunday 1:15PM Phillies KSDK-DT [L 1-5]
25 Monday 6:10PM @Mets ESPN2HD/FSN* [ESPN2HD Blacked-Out] [L 1-2]
27 Wednesday 6:10PM @Mets ESPNHD/FSN* [L 0-2 / 6 innings/rain]

JULY
1 Sunday 12:15PM @Reds KSDK-DT [W 11-7]
2 Monday 7:10PM Diamondbacks FSNMW-HD [W 11-3]
3 Tuesday 7:10PM Diamondbacks FSNMW-HD [L 1-7]
4 Wednesday 6:15PM Diamondbacks FSNMW-HD [W 5-4]
5 Thursday 6:15PM Diamondbacks FSNMW-HD [W 3-2]
6 Friday 7:10PM Giants FSNMW-HD [L 3-4]
7 Saturday 6:15PM Giants FSNMW-HD [L 7-6]

8 Monday 7:00PM Home Run Derby @SF ESPNHD [Mr. Guerrero]
10 Tuesday 7:00PM All Star Game @SF FOX/KTVI-DT [AL 5 - NL 4]

2 outs, bases loaded, bottom 9th, 1-run game....how far down *your* list would Aaron Rowand be?

14 Saturday 2:55PM @Phillies FOX/KTVI-DT [L 4-10]
15 Sunday 5:05PM @Phillies ESPNHD [W 10-2]
20 Friday 6:35PM @Braves FSNMW-HD [W 4-2]
22 Sunday 7:05PM @Braves ESPNHD [W 7-2]
24 Tuesday 7:10PM Cubs FSNMW-HD [L 3-4]
25 Wednesday 7:10PM Cubs KSDK-DT [L 1-7]
26 Thursday 7:10PM Cubs FSNMW-HD [W 11-1]
27 Friday 7:10PM Brewers FSNMW-HD [L 2-12]
28 Saturday 7:10PM Brewers FSNMW-HD [W 5-2]
29 Sunday 1:15PM Brewers KSDK-DT [W 9-5]

AUGUST
6 Monday 7:10PM Padres ESPNHD/FSNMW-HD* [W 10-5]
7 Tuesday 7:10PM Padres FSNMW-HD [L 0-4]
8 Wednesday 7:10PM Padres FSNMW-HD [W 2-1]
9 Thursday 7:10PM Padres FSNMW-HD [W 5-0]
10 Friday 7:10PM Dodgers KSDK-DT [L 1-2]
11 Saturday 2:55PM Dodgers FOX/KTVI-DT [W 6-1]
12 Sunday 1:15PM Dodgers KSDK-DT [W 12-2]
18 Saturday 2:55PM @Cubs FOX/KTVI-DT [L 3-5]
19 Sunday TBD @Cubs KSDK-DT [PPD-Rain]
22 Wednesday 7:10PM Marlins FSNMW-HD W6-4]
23 Thursday 7:10PM Marlins FSNMW-HD [L 3-11]
24 Friday 7:10PM Braves FSNMW-HD [L 2-7]
25 Saturday 6:15PM Braves FSNMW-HD [W 5-4]
26 Sunday 1:15PM Braves KSDK-DT [W 4-1]

SEPTEMBER
1 Saturday 6:15PM Reds KSDK-DT [W 11-3]
2 Sunday 1:15PM Reds KSDK-DT [W 3-2]
4 Tuesday 7:10PM Pirates FSNMW-HD [W 6-2]
5 Wednesday 7:10PM Pirates FSNMW-HD [L 2-8]
15 Saturday 12:10 FSNMW-SD [L 2-3] and 7:10PM Cubs KSDK-DT HD [W 4-3]
---double header/makeup of rain PPD game 4/29)
16 Sunday 1:15PM Cubs KSDK-DT [L 2-4]
17 Monday 7:10PM Phillies FSNMW-HD [L 11-13]
18 Tuesday 7:10PM Phillies FSNMW-HD [L 4-7]
19 Wednesday 7:10PM Phillies FSNMW-HD [W 2-1]
20 Thursday 7:10PM Astros FSNMW-HD [L 1-18]
21 Friday 7:10PM Astros ESPNHD/FSNMW-HD* [L 3-6]
22 Saturday 6:15PM Astros KSDK-DT [W 7-4]
23 Sunday 7:05PM Astros ESPN-HD [W 4-3]

OCTOBER
Post Season

--[updated 6/17/07]--
FSNMW-HD - 35
FOX/KTVI-DT - 6
ESPNHD - 7 (2 also on FSNMW-HD/may blackout)
ESPN2HD - 2 (1 also FSNMW-HD/may blackout)
KSDK-DT - 23

Total HD - 73 (45%)

HD Record 34-37 (thru 9/23) .459

*Blackout may apply
**Uncertain if all FOX GOTW will be full resolution HD, or FOX Widescreen
All times are First-Pitch

Please PM me or Doug if any errors found

See ya next year!
post #2585 of 12787
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Originally Posted by duvy56 View Post

From HD Sports Guide:

HD Sports News

FOX Sports has scaled back its HD plans for this year's MLB on FOX. We previously reported their plans to do all regular season games in HD this year. FOX Sports now tells us that due to a lack of HD production truck availablity they will only be able to broadcast 1 to 2 games per week in high definition

That shouldn't affect us too much since I would imagine that they'll show the DEFENDING WORLD SERIES CHAMPS with one of their HD feeds each week

This news does seem odd, though, considering I am pretty sure that Fox showed more than 1-2 HD football games per week (when you combine the early/late games).
post #2586 of 12787
Quick question.... Anyone know why the MLB season opener is on ESPN 2? Why not ESPN? I know this doesn't matter for most of you (since you have a dish, which has ESPN 2 HD), but for those of us with Charter this is problematic.

But before you rub my face in it, remember that I'll see those 37 high def games on FSNMW
post #2587 of 12787
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Originally Posted by DroptheRemote View Post

Barry, the problem that was reported earlier this week occurred with film-based HD content, not video-originated material such as GMA.

Checked again tonight: Stuttering KDNL.
Doug's right. Hate it when that happens...
post #2588 of 12787
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Originally Posted by mgr_stl View Post

Quick question.... Anyone know why the MLB season opener is on ESPN 2? Why not ESPN?

NCAA Women's Basketball Finals on ESPN
post #2589 of 12787
Quote:
Originally Posted by twombomber View Post

"Charter" + "negotiations" = lost channel

I thought the idea was to add channels and improve your product. I feel for those golf fans still with C*.

Glad I made the switch to E* last month and will be watching the Masters (and other tornaments) in HD instead of the "temporarily" out of service 4HD from Charter.

Does this mean that Charter has broken the contract for anyone who signed for 1 year to get a better deal?

Walt
post #2590 of 12787
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Originally Posted by elgibby View Post

Checked again tonight: Stuttering KDNL.
Doug's right. Hate it when that happens...

Just out of curiousity, what kind of TV/tuner are you using? Are you another Vizio/Olevia user?
post #2591 of 12787
Dean, thanks for posting the info. for games in HD! I printed the schedule.
post #2592 of 12787
Quote:
Originally Posted by twombomber View Post

"Charter" + "negotiations" = lost channel

I thought the idea was to add channels and improve your product. I feel for those golf fans still with C*.

Glad I made the switch to E* last month and will be watching the Masters (and other tornaments) in HD instead of the "temporarily" out of service 4HD from Charter.


same here

im really excited so far with E* vip622

wonder when the golf channel and speed will go HD!?

the golf channel is probably the worst pic quality on E*

definately notice a difference in pic quality all around
which i expected

but it is still great and fast menus

just wish my stereo was able to work through the E* remote
post #2593 of 12787
As it was last season on DISH, games aired on ESPN/ESPN2 and FSN, the ESPN airing will be blacked out in the STL DMA.
Wed, 4/4 is the first.
post #2594 of 12787
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Originally Posted by kdg454 View Post

NCAA Women's Basketball Finals on ESPN

Ugggh.... damn that women's college basketball! I truly think that ESPN should always show the programming with the most widespread interest on ESPN, and the "other stuff" on ESPN 2. I would guarantee that the Cards/Mets game is going to get more viewers nationwide than the women's finals.
post #2595 of 12787
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Originally Posted by mgr_stl View Post

Ugggh.... damn that women's college basketball! I truly think that ESPN should always show the programming with the most widespread interest on ESPN, and the "other stuff" on ESPN 2. I would guarantee that the Cards/Mets game is going to get more viewers nationwide than the women's finals.

Ya, agree....
Cards Home Opener....Girls BB....Cards Home Opener....Girls BB...
That's a tough one.

it's probably a case of which contract came first.
post #2596 of 12787
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Originally Posted by Left Jeff View Post

I've never seen a Cards game blacked out on espn2. In fact I remember last year they had a game against the Astros on ESPN2 and FSNMW, neither of which was blacked out. I believe it was the game they started Naverson.

I also now of a couple games where it was on both ESPN and channel 11, during the week like you said, but it wasn't blacked out on espn. I know when they've done playoff games that were on 11 and espn, there was no blackout.

For the playoff games you're referring to, it was actually a national ESPN/ESPN2 broadcast. All playoff games are nationally televised (and have exclusive rights to do so). Channel 11 wanted to make it available to the entire local market, so they negotiated with ESPN to simulcast the ESPN feed on channel 11. This is not an example of blackout/nonblackout. This is an example of Channel 11 tapping into ESPN's feed, so to speak.
post #2597 of 12787
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Originally Posted by dpmark View Post

Just out of curiousity, what kind of TV/tuner are you using? Are you another Vizio/Olevia user?

dpmark: i'm the Olevia 537H guy who posted earlier. I'll post in the "new olevia models" thread and ask there, but I've gotten no response on a couple of other posts there.
barry
post #2598 of 12787
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Originally Posted by kdg454 View Post

As it was last season on DISH, games aired on ESPN/ESPN2 and FSN, the ESPN airing will be blacked out in the STL DMA.
Wed, 4/4 is the first.

The MLB Playoffs this year will be a problem for HD-loving Cards fans that subscribe to Charter (assuming, of course, they make the playoffs), since TBS/TBS HD (the latter of which doesn't even exist nationally yet--ETA September 2007) has exclusive broadcast rights to the Division Series.

What are the odds that Charter will actually have that channel added in time for the playoffs?
post #2599 of 12787
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Originally Posted by bballcards View Post

The MLB Playoffs this year will be a problem for HD-loving Cards fans that subscribe to Charter (assuming, of course, they make the playoffs), since TBS/TBS HD (the latter of which doesn't even exist nationally yet--ETA September 2007) has exclusive broadcast rights to the Division Series.

What are the odds that Charter will actually have that channel added in time for the playoffs?

About the same as the Cubs winning the World Series.
post #2600 of 12787
Thread Starter 
We Interrupt Your Normal AVS Programming...

...for the following St. Louis housekeeping break:

In the past, we used to begin each month of the St. Louis discussion with an entirely new thread and usually that started with a cut/paste of basic resource information about HDTV and over-the-air reception. Although those messages were moved to the new thread here that was started in January, that information is still easily overlooked as the new thread is growing rapidly, approaching 75 pages in a relatively short period.

So, in order to make this introductory information more accessible, I will be periodically reposting this advisory/reminder note. The idea is to make the general resource information available here more visible and easier to find for more readers.

With HDTV sales increasing every month, we're getting more and more newcomers here, which is a great thing to see. But like most of us when we took home our first HDTV, there's a huge amount to learn beyond where to point the remote and which buttons to push.

Hopefully, you'll find this information of some use...


Tower Maps, Your Satellite/Antenna Rights & Local Station Feedback

Resources for Receiving Digital/HD OTA Local Stations via an Antenna

Frequently Asked Questions about HDTV

HD Programming Available in St. Louis

Why Isn't KDNL-DT (ABC) Available via Charter?

Why Isn't KMOV-DT (CBS) Available via Charter?

St. Louis Blues 2006-07 HD Broadcast Schedule

New! St. Louis Cardinals 2007 HD Broadcast Schedule

2006 Survey Results: HDTV in St. Louis


Part 1: Profile of Survey Respondents

Part 2: Local Digital Stations

Part 3: Digital Multicasting

Part 4: Customer Ratings for Charter, DirecTV & DISH HD Services

Part 5: Customer Ratings for Pay TV HD Channels

Part 6: Best Picture/Sound Ratings & HD Wish Lists

Finally, I want to remind everyone that you can access the St. Louis HDTV discussion here at AVS directly by using the shortcut URL that has been arranged.

The short-form URL also makes it very easy to remember and give the address to anyone you know who's just getting into HDTV.

The shortcut URL is: www.stlhdtv.info
post #2601 of 12787
Thread Starter 
If only Charter were more lovable, they would BE the Cubs!
post #2602 of 12787
Thread Starter 
FWIW -- Last night I was watching either the end of the Lakers game on ESPN last night or SportsCenter and there was an HD commercial for Vizio. Even before I realized it was a Vizio advertisement, I thought it was quite good and seemed like an interesting use of HD and the widescreen format. Very nice job -- it definitely made me notice the ad.

Vizio are most definitely ratcheting up the marketing machine...
post #2603 of 12787
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Originally Posted by bballcards View Post

For the playoff games you're referring to, it was actually a national ESPN/ESPN2 broadcast. All playoff games are nationally televised (and have exclusive rights to do so). Channel 11 wanted to make it available to the entire local market, so they negotiated with ESPN to simulcast the ESPN feed on channel 11. This is not an example of blackout/nonblackout. This is an example of Channel 11 tapping into ESPN's feed, so to speak.

The Astros/Narveson game of 9/22/06 was a regular season game. It was carried on FSNMW and ESPN2HD. The ESPN2 broadcast was blacked-out to DISH customers. Interestingly enough, this season, the Cards have that same dated 4 game series with the Astros....but this year, it's at Busch

As will be the case again this season (regular season) for DISH customers....
Since FSNMW and KSDK have first rights, whenever a game is carried on ESPN or ESPN2 *and* on FSNMW/KSDK, the ESPN broadcast is always blacked-out to DISH customers. By league rule, this should be the case on DirecTV and Charter, but some have slipped through.

Both ESPN and FOX still have 2/each remaining "wild-card" dates, by which the league has provided them exclusivity, dates TBD. If chosen, either can take away 2/each broadcasts from FSNMW and KSDK.

BTW, we can't even get D* or E* to add FSNMW-HD, what's that say about Charter adding TBS-HD?
post #2604 of 12787
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Originally Posted by kdg454 View Post

The Astros/Narveson game of 9/22/06 was a regular season game. It was carried on FSNMW and ESPN2HD. The ESPN2 broadcast was blacked-out to DISH customers.

I have Charter, and I KNOW I watched it in HD, and I KNOW I was listening to ESPN broadcasters--so it had to be on ESPN (the mother station). Are you sure it was also on FSN MW? My pocket schedule from last year shows that it was only supposed to be on ESPN.
post #2605 of 12787
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Originally Posted by bballcards View Post

I have Charter, and I KNOW I watched it in HD, and I KNOW I was listening to ESPN broadcasters--so it had to be on ESPN (the mother station). Are you sure it was also on FSN MW? My pocket schedule from last year shows that it was only supposed to be on ESPN.

Honestly, I don't. If it was not, there definitely were 2-3 other regular season games that fell into this scenario....on DISH.

As I said earlier, neither of the ESPN/FSNMW tandem broadcasts on Charter, are blacked-out. DISH has their system set, so anytime there is a FSNMW or KSDK broadcast, any other broadcast is blacked-out. The only exception being when a local station pushes through another broadcast. An example being KPLR pushing through the ESPN2 playoff game(s) last season, so Charter subs could view it.

I do know, Wednesday's game on both ESPN2 and FSNMW....the ESPN game is blacked-out to DISH subs. The only view on DISH will be FSNMW-SD. MY EPG's goes 9 days ahead, and it won't set a timer for the ESPN channel...the blacked-out message pops-up, which means, it will be blacked-out. Same thing as last season.

If I wasn't so lazy, I could search back to when we discussed the very issue here, last season.
post #2606 of 12787
Here we go, no HD for the Final Four because of the storms.
post #2607 of 12787
So much for National coverage of the first Civil Rights Game.
You'd think, with 850 feeds, ESPN would have gone a tad further than just crossing their fingers, and hoping the BB game would be over.
post #2608 of 12787
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Originally Posted by deuces View Post

Here we go, no HD for the Final Four because of the storms.

Why is that? Both my feeds are up, SAT and OTA in HD
post #2609 of 12787
I take it back. I overreacted as soon as they put up the weather warning the first time. They are doing a good job of not inundating us with weather updates.
post #2610 of 12787
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Originally Posted by kdg454 View Post

Honestly, I don't. If it was not, there definitely were 2-3 other regular season games that fell into this scenario....on DISH.

As I said earlier, neither of the ESPN/FSNMW tandem broadcasts on Charter, are blacked-out. DISH has their system set, so anytime there is a FSNMW or KSDK broadcast, any other broadcast is blacked-out. The only exception being when a local station pushes through another broadcast. An example being KPLR pushing through the ESPN2 playoff game(s) last season, so Charter subs could view it.

I do know, Wednesday's game on both ESPN2 and FSNMW....the ESPN game is blacked-out to DISH subs. The only view on DISH will be FSNMW-SD. MY EPG's goes 9 days ahead, and it won't set a timer for the ESPN channel...the blacked-out message pops-up, which means, it will be blacked-out. Same thing as last season.

If I wasn't so lazy, I could search back to when we discussed the very issue here, last season.

If I recall correctly, ESPN can overrule local blackouts for two games per team per year (or at least they could last year). This may have been one of those games.
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