Originally Posted by Brian Conrad
Dishrich, I've been into television technology since the 1950s.
OK, & me since the early 70's - & it's now 2011...
I've been doing antenna, cable, satellite & SMATV work since I was a teenager (if we're going to compare resumes...)(OK, before I go on - I preface this by saying I assume that your area NO longer has analog expanded basic cable, correct?
If you still DO have it, then what I am saying about traps would NOT apply then...)
What I was saying that if they even grouped all the broadcast HD channels in one channel range that would take a truck rollout if they wanted to block HD if they charged an extra fee.
(assuming you guys no longer have analog expanded basic cable)
Sorry, but they would then simply encypt
those said channels - GUARANTEE you 200%. CC is NO longer blocking channels via trapping for anything above limited basic - which if
CC choose to encrypt OTA HD, would then make it NO longer limited basic, no? (since it would cost above the limited basic service)
When I needed a package change to get channels like Sci-fi they had to take the filter off the line because I didn't subscribe to extended basic but did get Sci-fi on my SD digital package.
Well and that makes sense, since I assume you only had limited basic back then. Of course they had to take your limited basic trap off so that you could get the rest of your channels. BUT what I'm trying to tell you is, CC is NO longer putting traps "back on" for subs that down downgrade to limited basic service. And that is because there is NO need for them to do so now - why DO you think they encrypted EVERYTHING above limited basic cable now? While I'm sure CC will NOT be going around removing ALL expanded basic traps from limited subs lines, they WILL have to keep making house calls to remove them every time a limited sub upgrades service. (like you did) But, they are NO longer using them for new (limited only) subs or f/downgrades to limited service.
On some systems, when the DTA's first came out, the (digital) expanded basic channels WERE in the clear. Once the FCC gave CC permission to use encryption on the DTA's, (actually it's "privacy mode", but it accomplishes the same thing) all those digital expanded basic channels were NO longer available on clear QAM TV's. So there is NO reason now for CC to have to use traps on limited subs...which is EXACTLY what CC was/is planning on doing all along. They wanted to get away from traps altogether because:
- requires truck rolls to add/remove
- traps can "disappear", or "get lost" from subs that should have them; not needing traps will reduce piracy of expanded basic cable for limited basic or modem-only subs (go over to dslreports & get a load of all the posts of all the "pirates" crying about loosing their "free" expanded (analog) basic channels when their area went WOM
(again, if your area still has analog expanded basic service, then this would NOT apply, of course)
FYI, when our system went through the WOM conversion, we NEVER even had clear QAM expanded basic service - because CC ALREADY got their DTA (encryption) waiver by the time we got WOM/DTA's.
From what I've been reading as far as consumer electronics go people are getting rid of their old SD sets for HD sets particularly at the prices nowadays. Often it is far less than they paid for that old 27". From what I've read in trends is that the SD market is becoming more and more a minority. So see, I don't base my observations on this forum at all.
Well see, I base MY observations on the "real world", & the fact of the # of SD sets still out there.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one...
I would certainly agree that broadcast HD should be Open QAM and remain so by law and no additional fee. It would be available by antenna if you could get it.
, but the law does NOT state it MUST; it only states that a "version" of OTA locals must be clear QAM - it does NOT state if an HD version is offered, it MUST be clear QAM as well.
If you would go over to dslreports, you will find several posts of reports of subs that out of the blue, lost some/all of their clear QAM HD locals. Now whether they are are wrong & maybe they lost them due to something else, (channels moved into freqs that have "issues", traps, signal issues, etc.) I can't tell you. And our system here still has ALL our HD limited basics in clear QAM (which even includes WGNA, since it's a limited basic channel here) so I haven't had to deal with this, either.
All I was asking was if anyone dropped down to nothing but limited basic did they lose their HD channels which I believe by law they shouldn't nor if they are just cable to HD set and no Comcast STB should not be charged an HD fee.
See above re: law of clear HD. In most
cases though, the local HD's are in clear QAM.
HOWEVER, if they did choose, for whatever reason, to restrict any/all local HD's from limited subs, they will
be using encryption (& NOT traps) to accomplish this. You would they need either their HD box or cablecard to decrypt those channels. While I'm sure there's going to be some sort of "charge" for the box or cablecard rental - I can't speak about the "HD fee" per se, as I do not know of anyone that has had to do this very thing.
Sounds like keenan is saying you will NOT loose them on your system; I assume he's on your system as well...