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post #14431 of 14809
8/15/12 at 1:53pm
Thx C3 and sorry if I was not clear:
30 min of watching TV. I use HDMI (blue jeans).
Where can i check for Native Mode? probably is on by default?
Edited by emporio - 8/15/12 at 3:52pm
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post #14432 of 14809
8/15/12 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by emporio View Post

Thx C3 and sorry if I was not clear:
30 min of watching TV. I use HDMI (blue jeans).
Where can i check for Native Mode? probably is on by default?

It's one of the video output modes, same place as "1080i and auto" that you mentioned before. "30-minute warmup" cannot be caused by TiVo because it's on all the time.
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post #14433 of 14809
8/15/12 at 8:34pm
I figured it out : I had for some reason SD menus enabled, when i changed it to HD the picture quality got cristal clear smile.gif. Much happier now
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post #14434 of 14809
8/20/12 at 3:26pm
In case anyone missed it and was interested, the PAC-12 Network showed up last week in the bay area on SD channels 433-PAC-12 bay area and 434-PAC-12 national with PAC-12 bay area on HD channel 823. Apparently there is no national HD channel, those games will be available for viewing online per a post at the Comcast message board.
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post #14435 of 14809
8/21/12 at 7:24am
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In case anyone missed it and was interested, the PAC-12 Network showed up last week in the bay area on SD channels 433-PAC-12 bay area and 434-PAC-12 national with PAC-12 bay area on HD channel 823. Apparently there is no national HD channel, those games will be available for viewing online per a post at the Comcast message board.

i've heard that the regional channel mirrors everything on the national channel except when a regional game conflicts with a national game... maybe not such a big omission
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post #14436 of 14809
8/21/12 at 10:05am
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i've heard that the regional channel mirrors everything on the national channel except when a regional game conflicts with a national game... maybe not such a big omission
That's what I was seeing in the guide listings but I only looked ahead about a week, no big games listed anyway. I suppose the lack of a national HD channel would be of more concern to those not in a PAC-12 market. But it would also be of concern if the local game was say Cal vs Az and neither had winning records and the national game was with Oregon fighting for a No1 ranking - I can say I'd much rather see the Oregon game in HD than the other.
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post #14437 of 14809
8/23/12 at 9:04am
Our area (94022) was supposed to get the switch today to the new world where a Comcast device would be required for reception. So far, no encryption on digital basic cable channels and even the analog channels are still around. Has anyone had their service changed yet and, if so, what exactly were the changes?

Thanks,
ABG
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post #14438 of 14809
8/23/12 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by abg View Post

Our area (94022) was supposed to get the switch today to the new world where a Comcast device would be required for reception. So far, no encryption on digital basic cable channels and even the analog channels are still around. Has anyone had their service changed yet and, if so, what exactly were the changes?
Thanks,
ABG
I'm wondering that too, it's supposed to happen here on Sept 6th and I'm curious to see if my SiliconDust HDHR tuner will stop working.
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post #14439 of 14809
8/23/12 at 11:32am
Meaning what, either Comcast DVRs or a CableCard box?

Honestly you hope they cut a deal with Apple as rumored. Lot of room for improvement of the UI.
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post #14440 of 14809
8/23/12 at 11:45am
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Meaning what, either Comcast DVRs or a CableCard box?
Honestly you hope they cut a deal with Apple as rumored. Lot of room for improvement of the UI.
It's not the UI I'm concerned about it's the unencrypted channels which the HDHR can tune in and I can view pretty much anywhere I want. This currently includes all the local broadcast channels, including the HD channels.
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post #14441 of 14809
8/23/12 at 11:49am
It's not just the UI but the whole UX which might improve. So for instance, viewing on mobile devices as well as at home would be more simplified.
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post #14442 of 14809
8/23/12 at 11:54am
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It's not just the UI but the whole UX which might improve. So for instance, viewing on mobile devices as well as at home would be more simplified.
I don't know, I'd have to see that in detail before I'd be comfortable giving up what I can do now with the HDHR. One thing's for certain, with Apple involved it's virtually guaranteed to be tightly locked down with DRM-style usage restrictions.
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post #14443 of 14809
8/23/12 at 2:29pm
I can't imagine them encrypting stuff that is now Open QAM. That would anger a lot of customers that don't have an STB, use Limited Basic and hook up directly to cable with their HDTV sets with ATSC/QAM tuners. My understanding it was to be the end of supplying analog versions of the those channels and that was why the box was going to be required if you had an old set. So the HDHR should still work as usual. My 12 year old 53" Pioneer HD set won't be able to tune in the channels in analog but I never watch them that way since I have the DVR or can even use a computer as an additional DVR with HDHR.
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post #14444 of 14809
8/23/12 at 2:38pm
Limited Basic channels should not be encrypted:

http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/cable-tv/who-is-affected-by-digital-migration/
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post #14445 of 14809
8/23/12 at 5:25pm
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Limited Basic channels should not be encrypted:
http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/cable-tv/who-is-affected-by-digital-migration/

I read that and it says that limited basic may indeed be encrypted...

In some markets, we’re upgrading our network to include only those channels available as part of the Expanded Basic channel lineup. In others, we’re upgrading both the Expanded Basic and Limited Basic channels to all digital.

BTW everyone that's known me - I work at a different cable co now...
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post #14446 of 14809
8/23/12 at 5:33pm
Digital does not mean encrypted.

"Your TV has a Digital QAM tuner -- You will receive the Limited Basic channel lineup only on that TV."
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post #14447 of 14809
8/23/12 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by Barovelli View Post

I read that and it says that limited basic may indeed be encrypted...
In some markets, we’re upgrading our network to include only those channels available as part of the Expanded Basic channel lineup. In others, we’re upgrading both the Expanded Basic and Limited Basic channels to all digital.
BTW everyone that's known me - I work at a different cable co now...
Different cable company? You mean there's more than one? wink.gif
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post #14448 of 14809
8/23/12 at 5:39pm
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Limited Basic channels should not be encrypted:
http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/cable-tv/who-is-affected-by-digital-migration/

Yes, I get all that, but Comcast and several other cablecos have petitioned the FCC to be allowed to encrypt the basic tier, and to the best of knowledge they have been given the OK to do so - it seems to be "not if, but when" it's going to happen. The basis for it was better network management and theft prevention.
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post #14449 of 14809
8/24/12 at 12:55pm
It becomes a moot point if they go IPTV which apparently they plan too (they can offer more with the same bandwidth). Then to use their service will require a box period.
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post #14450 of 14809
8/24/12 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Yes, I get all that, but Comcast and several other cablecos have petitioned the FCC to be allowed to encrypt the basic tier, and to the best of knowledge they have been given the OK to do so - it seems to be "not if, but when" it's going to happen. The basis for it was better network management and theft prevention.

Quoting from the fine print at the bottom of the letter notifying about the analog shutdown:
"QAM tuner TVs will continue to receive Limited Basic channels without a digital device."

At least that's what it said on a notice in Palo Alto, where the deadline has also come and gone without a change.
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post #14451 of 14809
8/24/12 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by Persil View Post

Quoting from the fine print at the bottom of the letter notifying about the analog shutdown:
"QAM tuner TVs will continue to receive Limited Basic channels without a digital device."
At least that's what it said on a notice in Palo Alto, where the deadline has also come and gone without a change.

That is what the promise, FOR NOW! But given time, I expect they will encrypt even limited basic. They seem to think that too many folks are subscribing to only Internet or Phone service and then hooking up their TV's to get free Limited Basic. Several years ago, they increased the price of Internet, but it was only $1 more to have limited basic TV. I don't think it is that cheap an addition anymore. Still, I wonder how many subscribers are "stealing" the limited basic signal? Is it really worth inconveincing everyone with a QAM tuner just to keep a few subscribers from getting the local stations for free????
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post #14452 of 14809
8/24/12 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

It becomes a moot point if they go IPTV which apparently they plan too (they can offer more with the same bandwidth). Then to use their service will require a box period.
That's probably a few years down the road though, encrypting the basic tier could happen tomorrow, and so far the FCC has shown that they are in favor of it.

What would really be nice is if the cablco gave us all discounts for all the money they will save by virtually eliminating truck rolls for service connect/disconnect by encrypting Tier 1 channels. rolleyes.gif
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post #14453 of 14809
8/24/12 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by gfbuchanan View Post

That is what the promise, FOR NOW! But given time, I expect they will encrypt even limited basic. They seem to think that too many folks are subscribing to only Internet or Phone service and then hooking up their TV's to get free Limited Basic. Several years ago, they increased the price of Internet, but it was only $1 more to have limited basic TV. I don't think it is that cheap an addition anymore. Still, I wonder how many subscribers are "stealing" the limited basic signal? Is it really worth inconveincing everyone with a QAM tuner just to keep a few subscribers from getting the local stations for free????
It's the money they'll save on truck rolls/service calls in addition to the theft aspect. By encrypting the Tier 1 channels Comcast won't have to send technicians out to the residence to hookup or disconnect service, it can all be done by the customer service rep on the phone when you call for service, and equipment can be mailed to the customer. That's a huge amount of money they'll be saving in addition to being far more efficient
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post #14454 of 14809
8/24/12 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by Persil View Post

Quoting from the fine print at the bottom of the letter notifying about the analog shutdown:
"QAM tuner TVs will continue to receive Limited Basic channels without a digital device."
At least that's what it said on a notice in Palo Alto, where the deadline has also come and gone without a change.
I agree that it's not likely to happen at all this time around, but I have no doubt it's going to and sooner rather than later.
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post #14455 of 14809
8/25/12 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by Persil View Post

Quoting from the fine print at the bottom of the letter notifying about the analog shutdown:
"QAM tuner TVs will continue to receive Limited Basic channels without a digital device."
At least that's what it said on a notice in Palo Alto, where the deadline has also come and gone without a change.

Thanks for catching that fine print. My notice also had the same, once I took a closer look. That actually answers the most important question for me (about QAM tuner viability in the near term).

Still no changes to the analog channels as of this morning. I guess Comcast isn't in any particular hurry to dump them.
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post #14456 of 14809
8/25/12 at 12:43pm
Anyone having problems finding 11.1 (KNTV-HD)? did it move?

i haven't watched TV in a few days and it seems that that channel (and 11.2) have disappeared or moved.
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post #14457 of 14809
8/25/12 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by Derek87 View Post

Anyone having problems finding 11.1 (KNTV-HD)? did it move?
i haven't watched TV in a few days and it seems that that channel (and 11.2) have disappeared or moved.

Yes, it has moved (in zip code 95050). I had to re-scan.
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post #14458 of 14809
8/27/12 at 11:50am
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Yes, it has moved (in zip code 95050). I had to re-scan.
ah! glad i'm not going bonkers.

i'm in 95054, so that is consistent. do you mind sharing the new channel location(s)? i can rescan, but i'd prefer not to since then i have to back and delete/hide all of the other stations i don't want.

thanks!
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post #14459 of 14809
8/27/12 at 9:01pm
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Originally Posted by Derek87 View Post

ah! glad i'm not going bonkers.
i'm in 95054, so that is consistent. do you mind sharing the new channel location(s)? i can rescan, but i'd prefer not to since then i have to back and delete/hide all of the other stations i don't want.
thanks!

Sorry, my TV doesn't give me that information (or I don't know how to get it out of my TV). It just re-maps it to 11.1 for me, so I don't know where it is.
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post #14460 of 14809
8/27/12 at 10:33pm
I am in 95054 and KNTV-DT is at 82.1.
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