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post #10771 of 13500
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Originally Posted by Marcus Carr View Post

I have those two channels in the guide as of this morning but they are not labeled or authorized yet. Analog reclamation hasn't happened or been announced in Baltimore City yet. I guess they have room to squeeze a few channels in. We got RedZone HD a few weeks ago.

I checked where comcast put the two new channels (CBS-C HD and NBAHD). They put it on analog channel 29 - one of the channels reclaimed on our system on Sept. 28. I wonder how or if they will be able to add these channels without the reclamation.
post #10772 of 13500
At 147° Magnetic (D.C. is 162° Magnetic), I currently get (APEX DT502):

Station Strength Quality Off-Axis
WMAR-DT 57% 92% +15°
WTTG-DT 71% 25-62% (40-50%) -15°
WJLA-DT 86% 100% -15°
WUSA-DT 83% 35% (Not Watchable) -15°
WJZ-DT 58% 20% (Blank Screen) +15°
WDCA-DT 66% 24% (Not Watchable) -15°
WHAG-DT 90% 81% -90°
WWPB-DT 82% 13% (Not Watchable) -89°
WVPY-DT 85% 24% (Artifacts) -72°
WNUV-DT 52% 32% (Not Watchable - Unusual) +15°
WWPX-DT 90% 100% -79°
WJAL-DT 90% 100% -142°

WJLA-DT has been rock-solid lately. Before, I could only receive it on a good night.

I'll re-check in the morning.
post #10773 of 13500
Lots of pixilation in all directions this morning.

Station Strength Quality Off-Axis
WMAR-DT 55% 54-90% (Artifacts) +15°
WTTG-DT 74% 29-60% (Artifacts) -15°
WJLA-DT 86% 80-86% (Artifacts) -15°
WUSA-DT 83% 11-26% (Blank Screen) -15°
WJZ-DT 54% 0% (Blank Screen) +15°
WDCA-DT 68% 42-54% (Artifacts) -15°
WHAG-DT 89% 63% (Artifacts) -90°
WWPB-DT 82% 0-16% (Not Watchable) -89°
WVPY-DT 72% 0% (Not Watchable) -72°
WNUV-DT 56% 50-83% (Artifacts) +15°
WWPX-DT 89% 100% -79°
WJAL-DT 90% 100% -142°
post #10774 of 13500
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Originally Posted by Kelly From KOMO View Post

Here is an excellent article and industry discussion about VHF-DTV with a consultant who knows the science of DTV inside and out: http://www.tvnewscheck.com/articles/...aily.2/?page=2

Cavell, Mertz is the firm behind http://www.fccinfo.com -- an addictive way to waste lots of time. The Google Earth plugin is even worse....
post #10775 of 13500
Did any of you Over the Air folks notice that the premier of CSI New York on the 23rd and Lie to Me on the 29th were broad cast without any sound? I did not watch in real time. I let them record on my HD TiVo to watch a few days later. In both cases the picture was very clear with no breakups or other obvious problem.

Thanks
post #10776 of 13500
I don't watch drama, cop, or medical shows (except Scrubs), so I can't give you an answer.
post #10777 of 13500
What's up with WTTG's EPG? Most of the time there's no information.
post #10778 of 13500
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Originally Posted by markbulla View Post

Thanks for your input. The challenge that we have here at the station is that FIOS isn't available here, so we can't monitor it directly. I have to rely on people like you to let us know about problems like this. That's exactly why I read this forum (almost) ever morning.

I'll see what I can find out about the problem.
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I don't know if it's a coincidence or if I owe you a load of thanks, but I'm watching Fox 45 News at 10 right now, and I'm not hearing any weird pops or other strangeness Yea! Thanks Mark!!! [even if it is a coincidence -- you are very kind to come out here and listen to us and offer to look into issues we encounter with the systems you have influence over, and I think we all appreciate it]
post #10779 of 13500
Has something recently changed at WMAR. I have never been able to receive any signal from them before. Now (thursday and friday) they are rock solid at 90% to 95%
post #10780 of 13500
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Originally Posted by msmckay View Post

Did any of you Over the Air folks notice that the premier of CSI New York on the 23rd and Lie to Me on the 29th were broad cast without any sound? I did not watch in real time. I let them record on my HD TiVo to watch a few days later. In both cases the picture was very clear with no breakups or other obvious problem.

Thanks

There was audio on my OTA recordings for both of those shows. Although Lie to Me came on the 28th, not the 29th.
My OTA recordings were on a Series 3 box(OLED display) My FIOS recordings are on TiVoHD boxes now.

And surprisingly the WUSA recording had no glitches. I'm picking up WUSA much better than I could a few months ago. Back then I couldn't get much of anything.
The only reason I even have those recordings on my TiVos is because I have one that has leftover season passes. I normally watch my recordings from FIOS instead of OTA since the analog cutoff.
post #10781 of 13500
The Leno effect

WBAL feels pain due to lead-in, WJZ firmly in first place for ratings

By David Zurawik | Baltimore Sun TV critic

12:14 p.m. EDT, October 2, 2009

We are only two weeks into the new fall season, but already it looks as if we have an answer to the question of the TV year: How will Jay Leno do in prime time for NBC?

The answer: Pretty well when he is up against reruns or other weak competition, but not very well at all when he is faced with top-notch, first-run programs of the sort CBS is now throwing up against the lantern-jawed comedian on an almost nightly basis this fall.

And while NBC can probably live with being a low-cost alternative to the other networks on most nights, affiliates like Baltimore's WBAL (Channel 11), look as if they are going to be feeling some pain in the pocketbook as a result of NBC's bold move. After decades of a back-and-forth struggle between WBAL and WJZ for leadership in late news, the battle appears to be over in the new post-Leno era with WJZ firmly in first place for the first two weeks of the new season thanks in large part to the power of CBS dramas at 10 o'clock swamping Leno. And there is no single broadcast more important to a local station's fortunes than the late news.

"My thoughts on Leno is that we have always considered Jay Leno at 10 p.m. [to be] a 52-week strategy," WBAL General manager Jordan Wertlieb said this week, echoing a NBC network talking point that says you can't judge Leno solely by what he does against first-run programming. "We expect the program to perform better when running against repeats on the competition and to be the alternative viewing choice when running against first run programming. The first three weeks of the program have bore that out exactly."

NBC has been emphasizing the importance of taking a long view on Leno since the new season started on Sept. 21, and ratings in three different times periods for the network and its affiliates started heading south in the wake of the move.

Here is what the landscape looks like nationally in the wake of one of the biggest shifts since the networks embraced reality shows as NBC upended its prime-time schedule -- replacing expensive 10 p.m. dramas with Leno's new show to drastically cut programming costs.

On the one hand, NBC has reached the 2.0 rating in adult demographics from 10 to 11 p.m. on which it has been selling Leno to advertisers, according to The Hollywood Reporter. But that is down more than 40 percent from what the network averaged in the time period last year with series like "ER" and Law & Order: SVU."

And as a result, NBC stations across the country are down about 15 percent with their late local news from 11 to 11:30 p.m. -- with Baltimore's WBAL firmly part of that pattern.

And the losses extend into late night, with "Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien" down more than 20 percent from what Leno was doing last year in the time period.

Consider the tremendous difference that 10 p.m. lead-ins made in Baltimore during the late news time period the last three weeks.

During the week of Sept. 14 when Leno debuted and the other channels still had network reruns, "The Jay Leno Show" averaged 84,700 households in the Baltimore market for four nights (The night of Sept. 14 is excluded because of U.S. Open tennis running into late news on CBS.)

Meanwhile, CBS prime-time programming during the 10 p.m. hour was viewed in only 66,000 Baltimore homes on the same four nights.

With the help of that lead-in, WBAL was the number one station in late local news in Baltimore with an average audience of 72,600 homes for the week. WJZ, by comparison, was runner-up with 60,500 households for its 11 p.m. newscast.

But look at what has happened since the new season started on Sept. 21, and CBS rolled out the likes of "The Good Wife" and "The Mentalist" at 10 p.m. on weeknights.

CBS has given WJZ a lead-in audience of 114,300 Baltimore area homes, and the local station has won the 11 p.m. newscast by holding onto 86,900 of them.

Leno and NBC, meanwhile, have delivered a lead-in of only 49,500 homes to WBAL, and the station has managed to average an audience of 52,800 homes. Even though, WBAL's news overachieves on its network lead-in, that audience delivered by Leno and NBC is so small that the station finishes a distant second to WJZ. That's the kind of fallout that is coming to be known as The Leno Effect.

And the pattern holds straight through to 12:35 p.m. as "Late Show with David Letterman" now clobbers Conan O'Brien locally.

"That's a huge swing," says Douglas Gomery, a media economist at the University of Maryland. "And the difference over the course of the season will be measured in the tens of millions of dollars in local station revenue."

Pointing to "The Oprah Effect" and the way Oprah Winfrey lifts the fortunes of local stations that are lucky enough to have her talk show leading into their early news, Gomery says, "Lead-ins matter -- it's just a fact. People have tended for years and years to go from the show they are watching at 10 p.m. to the late news on that channel."

While the move might prove to be cost effective for NBC in the short term, it is already hurting the affiliates. But maybe NBC is only concerned about its own fortunes in the short term, as the network is reportedly up for sale, with Comcast said to be the latest potential buyer.

"NBC certainly isn't thinking about its affiliates with the Leno move," Gomery says. "This is no way to run a network if you are in it for the long haul -- I don't care what kind of new spin they are offering about looking at 52 weeks now that they've seen Leno's premiere week audience disappear. If I'm running an NBC affiliate all I'm thinking about is how much money the Leno move is starting to cost me."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertai...,6818228.story
post #10782 of 13500
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Originally Posted by dewster1977 View Post

Has something recently changed at WMAR. I have never been able to receive any signal from them before. Now (thursday and friday) they are rock solid at 90% to 95%

I logged in here this morning to find out this exact same thing! I have a TV connected to an INDOOR antenna (Phillips MANT940) on the ground floor of our home in Fairfax. At that pont the antenna is maybe 8 feet above ground, in a room, and outside there are tons of houses, trees, and buildings in every direction. I don't really know how it receives anything, but it does.

I did a rescan last night and got WMAR for the first time ever. And it was rock solid, no dropouts. I checked this morning and it's still there! This TV can't get CW 50 from DC, and WHUT channel 32 is iffy, but I'm getting WMAR from 50 miles away? Odd.
post #10783 of 13500
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyRoy View Post

On the minus side, by my count, the "standard service" folks, who currently have 59 channels, will be dropping 45, down to 14 channels, unless they get their digital equipment. I guess this means I have until Nov 17 to get my mother in law her DTAs. The costs of progress!

This would include one of my father, who is paying for Comcast "digital starter" package but is now getting only a very few channels on the internal tuners-- and they want him to start renting boxes for all the TVs at $10 a pop. It's absolutely infuriating. Not to mention the inconvenience of finding locations for the boxes and yet another remote control for aging parents to learn. We've wasted many hours with Comcast and they won't budge -- the bill goes up by $40/mo and that's that.
post #10784 of 13500
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Originally Posted by dewster1977 View Post

Has something recently changed at WMAR. I have never been able to receive any signal from them before. Now (thursday and friday) they are rock solid at 90% to 95%

WMAR 2 and WJZ 13 were putting up new stacked UHF 38 / VHF 13 antennas this past summer while operating off of the pre-transition VHF 13 and UHF 38 (WJZ) antennas on the tower. WJZ needed to switch to a directional antenna to reduce broadcast power to the west which caused me to lose WJZ 13 OTA when they switched.

My guess is that WMAR 2 switched to the new antenna. WMAR has been operating at the maximum power allowed for digital UHF at 1000 kW since June 12 and the new antenna is at the same 312 meter HAAT on the big candelabra in NW Baltimore. But the new antenna may have a somewhat different polarization pattern or there may have been some problems with the pre-transition UHF 38 antenna that caused WMAR to spend a half a million bucks or more on a new UHF 38 broadcast antenna. The pre-transition UHF 38 antenna becomes the backup antenna.
post #10785 of 13500
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Originally Posted by afiggatt View Post

WMAR 2 and WJZ 13 were putting up new stacked UHF 38 / VHF 13 antennas this past summer while operating off of the pre-transition VHF 13 and UHF 38 (WJZ) antennas on the tower. WJZ needed to switch to a directional antenna to reduce broadcast power to the west which caused me to lose WJZ 13 OTA when they switched.

My guess is that WMAR 2 switched to the new antenna. WMAR has been operating at the maximum power allowed for digital UHF at 1000 kW since June 12 and the new antenna is at the same 312 meter HAAT on the big candelabra in NW Baltimore. But the new antenna may have a somewhat different polarization pattern or there may have been some problems with the pre-transition UHF 38 antenna that caused WMAR to spend a half a million bucks or more on a new UHF 38 broadcast antenna. The pre-transition UHF 38 antenna becomes the backup antenna.

Those things don't seriously cost $500K, do they? Given the margins on broadcast TV nowadays, I think we all owe WMAR a thank-you if that figure is accurate. Holy cow.
post #10786 of 13500
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Originally Posted by sboller View Post

I logged in here this morning to find out this exact same thing! I have a TV connected to an INDOOR antenna (Phillips MANT940) on the ground floor of our home in Fairfax. At that pont the antenna is maybe 8 feet above ground, in a room, and outside there are tons of houses, trees, and buildings in every direction. I don't really know how it receives anything, but it does.

I did a rescan last night and got WMAR for the first time ever. And it was rock solid, no dropouts. I checked this morning and it's still there! This TV can't get CW 50 from DC, and WHUT channel 32 is iffy, but I'm getting WMAR from 50 miles away? Odd.

WMAR is still comming in strong here since thursday, I only had some issues here on Saturday afternoon.
post #10787 of 13500
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Originally Posted by afiggatt View Post

WMAR 2 and WJZ 13 were putting up new stacked UHF 38 / VHF 13 antennas this past summer while operating off of the pre-transition VHF 13 and UHF 38 (WJZ) antennas on the tower. WJZ needed to switch to a directional antenna to reduce broadcast power to the west which caused me to lose WJZ 13 OTA when they switched.

My guess is that WMAR 2 switched to the new antenna. WMAR has been operating at the maximum power allowed for digital UHF at 1000 kW since June 12 and the new antenna is at the same 312 meter HAAT on the big candelabra in NW Baltimore. But the new antenna may have a somewhat different polarization pattern or there may have been some problems with the pre-transition UHF 38 antenna that caused WMAR to spend a half a million bucks or more on a new UHF 38 broadcast antenna. The pre-transition UHF 38 antenna becomes the backup antenna.

Anyone know if WMAR switched to a new antenna?
post #10788 of 13500
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Originally Posted by sboller View Post

I logged in here this morning to find out this exact same thing! I have a TV connected to an INDOOR antenna (Phillips MANT940) on the ground floor of our home in Fairfax. At that pont the antenna is maybe 8 feet above ground, in a room, and outside there are tons of houses, trees, and buildings in every direction. I don't really know how it receives anything, but it does.

I did a rescan last night and got WMAR for the first time ever. And it was rock solid, no dropouts. I checked this morning and it's still there! This TV can't get CW 50 from DC, and WHUT channel 32 is iffy, but I'm getting WMAR from 50 miles away? Odd.

Not odd really as my setup is the same as yours, indoor loop, first floor on a Sylvania SRZ3000 and UHF 38 (first WJZ then WMAR) has always been reliable. I'm located just west of Dover, DE so I'm 56 miles out from Baltimore. Shows what a megawatt can get you.
post #10789 of 13500
We've been experiencing consistent OTA reception issues (mostly audio dropouts) with WUSA for about two weeks now. The audio dropouts have been so frequent that it is impossible to follow a program in which one is interested - very annoying! Channel 9 is now our least reliable DTV station.

We're about 40 miles away in Frederick County. However, channels 4, 5, 7, 14, 20, 26, 30, 32, 50, 62, and 60 have not been a consistent reception issue like WUSA.

We've not had any difficulty receiving WUSA for over 20 years. Analog broadcasts and UHF DTV were not an issue. However, ever since June 12, 2009, when WUSA moved their DTV transmission to VHF, consistent reception quality has been challenging.

Has anyone else had similar issues with WUSA recently?

Thanks
post #10790 of 13500
I'm not going to post details until I get a few more days of observation in, but since I moved the attic antenna away from ductwork and power wires, WJLA and WUSA have become much more reliable (90%, 75%).
post #10791 of 13500
Comcast rearranged QAM last night in my area. At least the local network stations went to their regular (ABC = 7-1, CBS = 9-1, NBC = 4-1) locations. I didn't do a scan and test at the time. I was frantically trying to get Desp. H/W at 9 PM on 123-1 when it didn't appear and then saw that 7-1 worked.
post #10792 of 13500
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Originally Posted by ota.dt.man View Post

Has anyone else had similar issues with WUSA recently?

Are you seeing this on more than one tuner? I haven't any difference in the Manassas or Dulles area with 9. It has never been a problem.
post #10793 of 13500
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Originally Posted by Digital Rules View Post

Are you seeing this on more than one tuner?

Yes, frequent audio dropouts with both our tuners: a Samsung DTB-H260F and a CM-7000. This situation has caused me to remove the splitter to the second floor TV in attempt to maximize the signal strength to the first floor TV system - the one we use the most.

The signal strength meter on the Channel Master CM-7000 typically displays an average signal strength of about 40-50% for WUSA. However, there is a rapid and continuous signal strength variation from 0% to about 80%. When the signal strength drops below 20% we experience audio dropouts.

At one point last night we lost audio & video on channel 9. However, watching "Three Rivers" last night was not an issue.

For the past couple weeks we've had great difficulty listening to Letterman & Ferguson. Is WUSA turning down their power after prime time?

I'm aware that an attic mounted an antenna yields sub-optimal results compared to a roof-mounted antenna. However, we currently have no consistent difficulty receiving channels 4, 5, 7, 14, 20, 26, 30, 32, 50, 62, and 66. Only channel 9 has been consistently problematic.

Question:
We have Belden RG-6 going from the attic antenna to the basement. However, the coax going from the basement to the bedrooms and family room has no brand name or model # and is smaller in diameter than RG-6 (perhaps RG-59?).

Would upgrading the basement to family room coax to Belden RG-6 provide a significant increase in the signal strength to our CM-7000 and thus prevent audio dropouts and the cliff effect on Ch 9?

Or would we be more likely to solve this issue by replacing all the coax from the antenna to the family room with Belden RG-11?

Thanks
post #10794 of 13500
Does WUSA work well with the splitter removed? Are you using any type of amplification? For some reason, I've always had a problem with WUSA (UHF & VHF) on my CM-7000 converter. No other tuners have a problem with it.
post #10795 of 13500
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Originally Posted by Digital Rules View Post

Does WUSA work well with the splitter removed?

No.
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Originally Posted by Digital Rules View Post

Are you using any type of amplification?

Yes,
CM-0100DSB (FM trap switched on)

VHF: 16 dB gain, 3.0 dB noise, 56 dBmV output capability
UHF: 23 dB gain, 2.2 dB noise, 50 dBmV output capability

post #10796 of 13500
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Originally Posted by djp952 View Post

I don't know if it's a coincidence or if I owe you a load of thanks, but I'm watching Fox 45 News at 10 right now, and I'm not hearing any weird pops or other strangeness Yea! Thanks Mark!!! [even if it is a coincidence -- you are very kind to come out here and listen to us and offer to look into issues we encounter with the systems you have influence over, and I think we all appreciate it]

Thanks, although I didn't get through to anyone at Verizon about it. Maybe there's someone on the forum who would rather remain anonymous...

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post #10797 of 13500
I'm leaning towards attenuation from the attic install causing the dropouts.

Weak VHF stations are also very susceptible to any interference/overload. Is it possible to hook up one TV to the antenna with no amplification to help eliminate that possibility?
post #10798 of 13500
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Originally Posted by Digital Rules View Post

I'm leaning towards attenuation from the attic install causing the dropouts.

Yes, attic-mounted antennas will have reduced signal compared with roof-mounted antennas. However, we currently have no consistent difficulty receiving channels 4, 5, 7, 14, 20, 26, 30, 32, 50, 62, and 66 with our attic-mounted antenna.
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Originally Posted by Digital Rules View Post

Weak VHF stations are also very susceptible to any interference/overload. Is it possible to hook up one TV to the antenna with no amplification to help eliminate that possibility?

Our antenna was sufficient for analog TV. When DTV was first available along with analog broadcasts and most DTV signals were UHF in DC, our antenna was not sufficient to overcome the cliff effect so I added the CM-0100DSB cartridge amplifier that was specifically designed for our antenna - problem solved.

If necessary, I can temporarily remove the pre-amp.
post #10799 of 13500
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Originally Posted by nottenst View Post

Comcast rearranged QAM last night in my area. At least the local network stations went to their regular (ABC = 7-1, CBS = 9-1, NBC = 4-1) locations. I didn't do a scan and test at the time. I was frantically trying to get Desp. H/W at 9 PM on 123-1 when it didn't appear and then saw that 7-1 worked.

I also noticed that last night. They have not touched WTTG, WDCA, and WDCW yet. They're still on 132 and 133. I'm still hoping for more HD available in the clear besides just A&E and Versus.
post #10800 of 13500
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Originally Posted by ota.dt.man View Post

.Our antenna was sufficient for analog TV.

WUSA is very low powered compared to their previous analog output signal. It doesn't look like they will be allowed to increase their power anytime soon either. It can certainly be very tricky even with a good antenna at your distance.

I generally don't find much benefit to pre-amping VHF when hooked to one TV, so I always try bypassing that as a first step to see if it makes a difference either way. The line loss in your coax cable is not the cause.
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