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post #13231 of 13479
Thanks, Joblo! That was *quite* a thorough reply, and I appreciate your taking the time to do so. (Not news I wanted to hear, but as good an explanation as I'm likely to ever get!)

I finally 'solved' the problem by dedicating a second recorder to only capture the 9:00 pm programming rather than wait for the 12am reruns when the main recorder wasn't busy.

Haven't tried recording two shows at the same time on the two different recorders using the passthrough and internal tuners on both the recorders, but I think this will be okay as I can always use an aux input from the cable box instead to grab the second program and leave the internal tuner set to MhZ. For some reason my comcast feed (to the tuner) has both Mhz and MPT at the same location (22.1, 22.2, 22.3 ) so I had been running into problems setting timer recordings... It seems to be working this way. I will touch nothing! rolleyes.gif
post #13232 of 13479
If there is ever any doubt as to where a 30.x channel is being transmitted from, check at the top or bottom of the hour. Each subchannel has a station ID banner at the top of the screen.
post #13233 of 13479
Can someone check and see if Cool TV gone from WNUV? Thanks.

- Trip
post #13234 of 13479
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Can someone check and see if Cool TV gone from WNUV? Thanks.
- Trip

I get a blank screen, but when I summon "info" on my Dunex, its time function indicator displaysthe current time, says it is in 704x480i, and says that the current show runs from 2:00AM to 3:00 AM.

It identifies the immediate programming to be Music Videos,FTA TV-PG, and describes the content as, "Artists perform".

54.1 is carrying America's Court with judge Ross, in 1280x720p
Edited by AntAltMike - 8/31/12 at 11:28pm
post #13235 of 13479
TheCoolTV is gone from all Sinclair stations, as of yesterday afternoon (8/31/12). I think there is a thread/post somewhere here on AVS about it.

Just a black screen on 54.2 for me. I wonder what (if anything) will replace it?
post #13236 of 13479
Thread Starter 
By my rough mental tally of the stations listed on Wikipedia's TheCoolTV affiliates page, there had recently been 50 affiliates, and at least 26 of them are or were sinclair stations, so the number of stations presently carrying TheCoolTV has been cut in half.
Edited by AntAltMike - 9/1/12 at 11:18am
post #13237 of 13479
actually going off trip's site (rabbitears) its more than that

CoolTV had 57 affiliates as of yesterday morning
now they have 20

37 Sinclair affiliates
post #13238 of 13479
Antenna for Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 2250

I'm in Washington DC (20015) and receive broadcast signals from a Tivax DT-01 amplified indoor antenna through a Tivax converter box. This setup has proven generally satisfactory for the channels we watch, almost all labeled yellow for our location. While WMPT 22.1 (RF channel 42) is listed as yellow, we rarely get it, but MHz (WNVC 30.1, RF channel 24) comes in clearly, even though it is labeled blue.

I just bought a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 2250 computer card to record digital TV broadcasts and connected it to an identical Tivax antenna. Even when the two antennas are placed right next to each other, the scanner fails to identify many stations, either with the gain turned up or with it turned off. Since I know that this antenna will work through the converter box, should I assume that the Hauppauge receiver is weaker? If it is, is it possible to compensate by a stronger antenna? Would it be advisable to mount the same or another antenna in an upstairs room and run a long cable to the computer? I would be grateful for recommendations, particularly if any model of indoor antenna is superior (and not too expensive...). Alternatively, must I conclude that the choice is between connecting a powerful, expensive outdoor antenna to the receiver card and returning the card as an unwise purchase?

Thanks all.
post #13239 of 13479
Something odd going on with FiOS TV tonight. On my FiOS DVR, WUSA-HD is coming in on channel 504. WRC-HD is coming in on channel 492. And WUSA-Weather is coming in on 509. Even odder... the other FiOS set top box (non-DVR) has the channels in their proper places.

Anybody experienced this oddity before? What's the solution? Reset the DVR box?
post #13240 of 13479
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I find it fascinating looking at the original FCC engineering studies. The FCC engineering models for some reason failed to anticipate the true coverage of a hypothetical 8VSB ATSC Digital signal. ....... The FCC has now allowed WGAL-DT an ERP of 59 kW ND. That is now over 10 times more than the original CP had allowed. What is going on? How could the engineers at the FCC miss the mark that much?


Good Question. I heard at the time that Cavel, Metz & Associates were doing a study, but that's all I know. I recall one speculation was the CECB's had crap front ends and were desensitized by FM broadcast nearby, but that did not hold water to me.

Sidenote: their fccinfo.com plugin is a great tool. I only wish it listed non-broadcast licenses as well, but their server would have no way to handle THAT load...
post #13241 of 13479
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I think that much of the criticism of the work that the FCC did is undeserved. The FCC had to cram 67 channels worth of spectrum usage into 49 channels of spectrum in such a way as to make sure that everyone within a certain "contour" was as likely to receive acceptable signal quality as they had been previously. One difficulty in doing that is that they are forced to make an apples and oranges comparison of signal quality sufficiency, in that, analog reception is deemed qualitatively adequate if it enables the reception site to develop "TASO Grade 1" pictures, having a 46 dB C/N ratio, whereas digital pictures are all virtually noise free but the disruptive effect of any noise that interdicts the processing of even one frame is wholly unacceptable.

If a plane flies overhead and, for one frame, an analog signal has a ghost image, it would be humanly impossible to notice that, but such a disruption of that short an interval of digital transmission would result in a one frame/one second video stutter, and the analog disruption would be even longer than that.

In Washington, DC, much of the city was within the Baltimore WMAR channel 2 analog grade A contour, but the pictures looked terrible because of impulse noise and there was absolutely no way to make that visual interference go away. In fact, back in 1994, I was part of the crew that installed cut-to-channel Baltimore antennas on The National Captioning Institute's headquarters in Vienna, Virginia and we were developing more than 10dBmV coming off the channel 2 antenna, meaning we theoretically had S/N rations of over 60dB, but we still had huge speckles. And that was a harbinger of things to come. We couldn't get their decaptioning boxes to work reliably on channel 2 because the captioning data was digitally imbedded in the vertical blanking pulse, but any time an impulse burst coincided with that data, it obliterated it.

WGAL is on channel 8, and there is a lot of impulse noise in VHF highband that has caused lots of problems for channels 7-13 nationally. Making matters worse is that fewer people have the gumption or inclination to install outdoor antennas than they used to, but VHF reception more often needs them.

I don't know what could theoretically have been done with forward error correction, but it seems to me that if there is a way to trade a little video bandwidth for a redundant dose of forward error correction, then it would be a tradeoff worth making, but chances are, "the horse is already out of the barn" as far as creative forward error correction is concerned.
Edited by AntAltMike - 9/3/12 at 2:14pm
post #13242 of 13479
I personally feel the FCC could have planned better than they did regarding the digital VHF-Hi power allotments. Martinsburg WV's WWPX-RF 12 was receivable pre transition in downtown DC & could have been used to test real world signal reliability with various power levels.

From my own pre-transition observations of WWPX -TV, around 26kw should have been the minimum power level allotted for any of the pre transition full power analog stations.
post #13243 of 13479
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Originally Posted by rory21 View Post

Me-TV said over on a Facebook page that service will begin around October 1.
Just noticed they updated their website, and it looks like that's their official estimate:
http://metvnetwork.com/wherewatch.php?marketID=209

OTA 11.2, Comcast 208, Verizon 460.
post #13244 of 13479
I keep getting continuous dropouts in WZDC 25, is anyone else having the same problem??
post #13245 of 13479
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Originally Posted by Frankie20 View Post

I keep getting continuous dropouts in WZDC 25, is anyone else having the same problem??


Yes, lots last night when I was watching, even thought signal was showing around 80%. Thought it was my antenna... mad.gif
post #13246 of 13479
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Originally Posted by carltonrice View Post

Something odd going on with FiOS TV tonight. On my FiOS DVR, WUSA-HD is coming in on channel 504. WRC-HD is coming in on channel 492. And WUSA-Weather is coming in on 509. Even odder... the other FiOS set top box (non-DVR) has the channels in their proper places.
Anybody experienced this oddity before? What's the solution? Reset the DVR box?


I didn't quite see the same but saw failure on WRC-DT related - I couldn't get anything on 4.1 or 504 for WRC-DT.

I have a media server with FIOS CableCard (thus the 504) as well as OTA ATSC Tuner cards (thus the 4.1). Generally I record my shows 4.1, 7.1 etc. And for premium channels I bounce to use CableCard. Windows Media Center does a good job of combining all the available channels into one guide.

Anyway, when tuning FIOS 504 I'd get a No Signal error. When tuning local 4.1 I'd get a corrupt Video Signal. Haven't checked this a.m. but assume it is still the same.

I do keep a Fios STB around as backup and when I turned that on and tuned to 504, it was able to lock the signal and play the live feed. That tells me the signal is there, just something has changed that is preventing Windows Media Center from decoding???

Anyone else?
post #13247 of 13479
Please forgive me if this is the wrong place to ask this. Over the past few months I've noticed random network (ABC, NBC, FOX) shows marked as copy protected over Comcast (Baltimore County). I'm unable to convert the wtv files that Windows 7 Media Center creates to dvr-ms files. Last night it was particularly bad as the entire WBFF primetime lineup was copy protected. I'm using the InfiniTV card and didn't want to play with firmware or other things unless that is clearly the problem. Is anyone else with Comcast seeing this behavior?
post #13248 of 13479
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Originally Posted by fmw63 View Post

Yes, lots last night when I was watching, even thought signal was showing around 80%. Thought it was my antenna... mad.gif

A week later WZDC went back to normal, but...

I've been problem receiving WZDC after adjusting my antenna yesterday, I haven't been able to get a solid lock anymore no matter what I do, the signal would stay good for about a minute or two then drop off.

I'm in Greenbelt, is anyone else having this problem?
post #13249 of 13479
No change in WZDC here. Is has always been very weak here & disappears many nights when RF 25 from Richmond overrides it.
post #13250 of 13479
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jgantert View Post

Just noticed they updated their website, and it looks like that's (October 1, 2012) their official estimate:
http://metvnetwork.com/wherewatch.php?marketID=209
OTA 11.2, Comcast 208, Verizon 460.

It is now 6:48 PM on the evening of the announced launch date, but 11.2 is still an SD version of their 11.1 HD programming.

Now, here is some really bad news. MeTV has already dropped most of what I had considered to be its best programming

Former programming

Comedy series

Bosom Buddies (October 2–December 18, 2011)
Family Affair (December 21, 2010–August 31, 2012)
Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. (December 15, 2010-April 13, 2012)
Green Acres (June 20-September 1, 2012)
Happy Days (December 21, 2010–September 2, 2012)
Laverne & Shirley (December 21, 2010–September 2, 2012)
Love, American Style (September 26, 2011-April 13, 2012; June 19-August 28, 2012)
The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour (June 22-August 31, 2012)
The Mothers-In-Law (June 19-September 2, 2012)
The Odd Couple (December 21, 2010-June 15, 2012)
Taxi (December 20, 2010-December 30, 2011)

Drama/action series

Cannon (December 15, 2010–August 31, 2012)
Honey West (December 20, 2010–September 2, 2012)
The Invisible Man (January 29-April 15, 2012; returns October 6, 2012))
The Rogues (October 1, 2011–September 1, 2012)
The Streets of San Francisco (December 15, 2010-September 23, 2011)
The Untouchables (December 15, 2010-August 31, 2012)

Westerns


Marshal Dillon (early, half-hour episodes of Gunsmoke; December 15, 2010–November 26, 2011)
Rawhide (December 15, 2010–November 28, 2011)
Stagecoach West (December 20, 2010–September 23, 2011)
Edited by AntAltMike - 9/30/12 at 4:04pm
post #13251 of 13479
Me TV started broadcasting on WBAL 11.2 @ 5:00 this morning with the Honeymooners. Still in glorious 480i.
post #13252 of 13479
Thread Starter 
I just caught the closing credits of Make Room for Daddy this morning. MeTV is going to become my most watched weekend channel.

When I'm home during any weekdays, the Rockford Files at 11:00 AM, Book 'em Dano at noon, the Wild Wild West at 4:00 PM are probably better than any shows on cable in those time slots, and The Bob Newhart Show at 10:30 PM looks good for me, too.
Edited by AntAltMike - 10/1/12 at 8:39am
post #13253 of 13479
Good timing on MeTV, as AntennaTV has just wrapped up WKRP this week. Will give me a chance to start up a new show on MeTV! smile.gif
post #13254 of 13479
Bummer, looking at the Schedule, looks like WBAL pre-empts Cheers, The Bob Newhart Show, some M*A*S*H, My Three Sons, The Donna Reed Show, Sat 10am-1:00pm block, Sun 10am - 2:00pm block (Brady Bunch, some I Love Lucy)

Cheers, Bob Newhart and Brady Bunch would have been good to see.
post #13255 of 13479
I've been lobbying DC stations to add Me-TV for months. Their schedule at any given time (including now) has shows that have won 20-25 Emmys for best drama or comedy. They tend to rotate shows more often than most channels, so "dropped" shows may come back. The preemptions are bad news, though.
post #13256 of 13479
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rory21 View Post

Does anyone have any advice on the simplest way to pick this up from very near Falls Church? I currently just have a flat antenna that picks up only the DC stations. Is there a really good indoor antenna that could pick up the signal from 40 miles away as the crow flies? Second choice would be an indoor antenna in my unfinished attic, which has a window that looks toward Baltimore. Or is an outdoor antenna needed?
Me-TV said over on a Facebook page that service will begin around October 1. Thanks for any ideas!

Here's something cheap you can try. Channelmaster is closing out the last of its Jointenna series filters and is presently selling the channel 11 jointennas for just $3.99 each, plus shipping.

https://www.channelmasterstore.com/JOIN_TENNA_CM_0581_p/cm-0581.htm

Your channel 11 field strength is about 50 dB below your Washington DC signals that come to you from the same general direction. If you use the Jointenna as just a bandpass filter, it should reduce every channel except channel 11 by about 20 dB, so the chances are you would lose Baltimore channels 2, 45 and 54, but keep all of your Washington channels even with that filter in line and your tuner may function better without the intermodulation of the stronger channels decimating the quality of your weak channel 11.
post #13257 of 13479
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Originally Posted by AntAltMike View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by rory21 View Post

Does anyone have any advice on the simplest way to pick this up from very near Falls Church? I currently just have a flat antenna that picks up only the DC stations. Is there a really good indoor antenna that could pick up the signal from 40 miles away as the crow flies? Second choice would be an indoor antenna in my unfinished attic, which has a window that looks toward Baltimore. Or is an outdoor antenna needed?
Me-TV said over on a Facebook page that service will begin around October 1. Thanks for any ideas!

Here's something cheap you can try. Channelmaster is closing out the last of its Jointenna series filters and is presently selling the channel 11 jointennas for just $3.99 each, plus shipping.
I know it's not really a good idea, but I just used a combiner to join my DC and Baltimore antennas. I lost a bit of signal strength compared to straight in, but only the older tuners have issues (and then only on a couple of channels).

I have a Channel Master CM4221 and AntennaCraft Y5-7-13 (joined with a VHF/UHF combiner) for Baltimore and a CM4228 for DC, all roof-mounted. The Y5-7-13 is small enough to easily fit in an attic, and then just figure out what kind of combiner works best with your existing antenna. Or, you could also use something like the CM4221 inside the attic as well. I'm 33.5 miles from the Baltimore towers, so it might work in Falls Church.
post #13258 of 13479
You will absolutely need an outdoor antenna for any chance of receiving channel 11 in Falls Church.
post #13259 of 13479
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Originally Posted by Digital Rules View Post

No change in WZDC here. Is has always been very weak here & disappears many nights when RF 25 from Richmond overrides it.

I'm guessing the problem was most likely the station itself, around Monday WZDC begin coming in very stable and hasn't changed since...

Anyway, I want to try to get WBAL now that they have MeTV on. I'm currently using a coat hanger bow tie antenna I made 2 years ago, I know it's UHF only but I didn't care about getting WBAL or WJZ. I currently have my antenna at a window (I live in a condo) pointing South.

If I were to build a Single Bay Gray-Hoverman antenna, would it do a better job at picking up WBAL?

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d2df9155e6b456b
post #13260 of 13479
Sorry, not familiar with home made antennas. Even with a great signal, it will be tough getting channel 11 reliably with the signal on the other side of your building.
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