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post #301 of 13500
2/7/07 at 3:12pm
Hey all, Georgetown OTA HD guy again here...I just got a loop antenna, as many of you suggested. This is the model I got: http://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT120-Ind...826271-6082209.

My question is, what position should I turn the UHF/VHF knob on the top to get the best reception? Thanks.
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post #302 of 13500
2/7/07 at 6:31pm
I want to burn JP/Raycom sports / wdca to the ground. How the F is the duke unc game blacked out in the DC area? In fact, I'm really in the BALTIMORE market. These media rules are GODDAMN RIDUCLOUS.
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post #303 of 13500
2/7/07 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by hokiefan View Post

I want to burn JP/Raycom sports / wdca to the ground. How the F is the duke unc game blacked out in the DC area? In fact, I'm really in the BALTIMORE market. These media rules are GODDAMN RIDUCLOUS.

And don't get me started on JP/Raycom Sports not broadcasting the ACC Basketball Tournament in HD and blacking out ESPN who does show it in HD so I have to watch it in SD from them !
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post #304 of 13500
2/7/07 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by bornyank1 View Post

Hey all, Georgetown OTA HD guy again here...I just got a loop antenna, as many of you suggested. This is the model I got: http://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT120-Ind...826271-6082209.

My question is, what position should I turn the UHF/VHF knob on the top to get the best reception? Thanks.

Put the antenna in or close to the window with the open face of the loop facing out the window for starters. Set the "fine-tuning" knob to a middle position and don't worry about it too much although you could try a couple of settings for it.
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post #305 of 13500
2/8/07 at 7:29am
I've had great success this past week setting up a Winegard SS-1000 Square Shooter mounted on a tripod inside my attic.

I've noticed the ATSC tuner in the Pioneer Pro-1140HD picks up quite a few stations. The HDHomerun networked tuner feeing a Media Center 2005 PC gets the same ones at just about the same signal strength. The tuners in the DirecTV HR10-250 comes nowhere near as close and just barely gets the same signals. I get 4,5,7,9,14,26 and 50 ATSC stations reasonably well. I'm in zip 20817 and apparently being 'close' to the transmitters is worse than a little farther away.

Once the weather warms up a bit I'm going to try moving the antenna outside of the attic to see if that improves reception. It's a 1950's house with an asphalt shingled roof that's not very steep (about 10yrs old The local stations are between bearings of 130 to 150 degrees. Baltimore stations are closer to about 20 degrees and that's outside the pickup of the SS-1000. I don't expect moving outside the attic will improve that. But hopefully it'll allow picking up 32.

There there's the idea of using two antennae.... anyone done this around here?
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post #306 of 13500
2/8/07 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by Onazuka View Post

And don't get me started on JP/Raycom Sports not broadcasting the ACC Basketball Tournament in HD and blacking out ESPN who does show it in HD so I have to watch it in SD from them !

I was so pissed off at that last night.

Does anyone know if the game was available in Howard County? A friend of mine was having trouble finding it and not sure if he ever did.
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post #307 of 13500
2/8/07 at 8:00am
If Howard Co. gets Baltimore channels, then it was available on WNUV-54.

Don't get me started about the ESPN-blackout in ACC markets. I'm already dreading the tournament coming up.
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post #308 of 13500
2/8/07 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post

If Howard Co. gets Baltimore channels, then it was available on WNUV-54.

Don't get me started about the ESPN-blackout in ACC markets. I'm already dreading the tournament coming up.

I just posted this about a week ago and apparently no one noticed. I emailed Raycom and asked. Maybe Mark Bulla can shed some light on this since I think WNUV is the Baltimore affiliate, right? I doubt we'll get much info from WDCA.

>Thank you for your feedback. Currently, Raycom Sports and Lincoln
>Financial Sports are testing "non-network" HD delivery of our ACC
>Basketball telecasts with our local stations throughout the ACC
>Territory. If the tests are successful, we have plans in place to
>produce and deliver the entire ACC Basketball Tournament in HD.

>Thank you,
>Raycom Sports & Lincoln Financial Sports
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post #309 of 13500
2/8/07 at 9:57am
Like I've said before - I'll believe in Raycom-HD when I see it.
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post #310 of 13500
2/8/07 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post

Like I've said before - I'll believe in Raycom-HD when I see it.

Agreed. I got the same canned response as inlogan. I'd like to believe it, but I'm waiting until I hear something a little more definitive... I mean, the least they could do is not black out the HD stations until they have an HD feed. And it's not like their SD quality is even that good to begin with! What's an ACC fan to do?
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post #311 of 13500
2/8/07 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by inlogan View Post

I just posted this about a week ago and apparently no one noticed. I emailed Raycom and asked. Maybe Mark Bulla can shed some light on this since I think WNUV is the Baltimore affiliate, right? I doubt we'll get much info from WDCA.

>Thank you for your feedback. Currently, Raycom Sports and Lincoln
>Financial Sports are testing "non-network" HD delivery of our ACC
>Basketball telecasts with our local stations throughout the ACC
>Territory. If the tests are successful, we have plans in place to
>produce and deliver the entire ACC Basketball Tournament in HD.

>Thank you,
>Raycom Sports & Lincoln Financial Sports

Well, good news and bad news - I participated in the test, and am able to receive the HD signal with no problem. I have a dedicated HD satellite receiver on a dedicated satellite dish, and it all works!

Unfortunately, I currently have no way to put the signal on the air... The equipment that I use to put the CW network HD signal on the air doesn't have another input for audio. I might be able to use the HD video with the analog audio, if they are in time with each other, but I would have to test that...

Something to think about, I guess.

Mark
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post #312 of 13500
2/8/07 at 11:09am
Is the original poster (CycloneGT), the only one of us who can modify the first post?

I've tried to update the "Who Has What" table to add:

ABC 2.3 to OTA columns (any reason not to do so?)
CW 50.2 to VA Cox (I'm assuming this is the source of The Tube on Ch. 804)
ESPN2-HD to VA Cox
Univeral-HD to Wash Comcast (per JoeInNVa in the next message)

If I get really adventurous one day, I'll move the FiOS column so that it appears before the Baltimore columns. I'd also move RCN to the other side of Cox (and possibly, the other side of the now-moved Verizon FiOS). I guess I'd finish it all off by adding the PBS sub-channels.

So, here goes my update:

Code:
Local      OTA    OTA    Wash    Wash     VA               Balt     Wash
Channel   DishTV Direct Comcast   RCN     COX  Millenium  Comcast  Verizon
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ABC  2      X      X                              X         X
ABC  2.2    X      X
ABC  2.3    X      X                                        X
NBC  4      XS     XS      X       X       X                          X
NBC  4.2    X      X       X       X       X                          X
FOX  5      XS     XS      X       X       X                          X
ABC  7      XS     XS      X       X       X                          X
ABC  7.2    X      X       X       X       X                          X
ABC  7.3    X      X
CBS  9      XS     XS      X       X       X      X                   X
NBC 11      X      X                              X         X
NBC 11.2    X      X                              X         X
CBS 13      X      X                                        X
TFA 14      X      X
MyN 20      X      XS                                                 X
MPT 22      X      X                              X         X         X
MyN 24      X      X
PBS 26      X      X       X       X       X                          X
MHz 30      X      X
FOX 45      X      X                              X         X
FOX 45.2    X      X                              X         X
CW  50      X      X       X       X       X                          X
CW  50.2    X      X       X               X                          X
CW  54      X      X                              X         X
MHz 57      X      X
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network   Dish   Direct  Wash             VA               Balt     Wash
Channel  Network   TV   Comcast   RCN     COX  Millenium  Comcast  Verizon
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ESPN-HD     X      X       X       X       X       X         X        X
ESPN2-HD    X      X       X               X       X         X        X
DiscoveryHD X      X       X       X       X       X         X        X
UniversalHD X      X       X               X       X         X        X
TNT-HD      X      X       X               X                 X        X
NatGeo-HD   X              X                                 X        X
Food-HD     X                                      X
HGTV-HD     X                                      X
NFL-HD      X      X       X                                 X        X
HDNet       X      X               X                                  X
HDNetMovies X      X               X                                  X
INHD                       X               X                 X
MTV-HD                     X               X                 X        X
WealthHD                                                              X
CSN-HD             X       X       X                         X
A&E-HD      X
-
HBO-HD      X      X       X       X       X       X         X        X
SHO-HD      X      X       X       X       X       X         X        X
CMax-HD                    X       X               X         X        X
StarZ-HD    X              X       X       X       X         X        X
TMC-HD                             X                                  X
- Part Time
OnDemand-HD                X                                 X
NBATV-HD    X      X
Versus-HD   X              X                                 X
Golf-HD                    X                                 X
PPV-HD      X      X
HDEvents    X      X       X                                 X
- Voom
Rush-HD     X
Rave-HD     X
HD-News     X
Ultra-HD    X
Equator-HD  X
Gallery-HD  X
Monsters-HD X
Animania-HD X
FilmFest-HD X
KungFu-HD   X
WldSport-HD X
WldCinma-HD X
Family-HD   X
Treasure-HD X
GamePlay-HD X
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OTA Channels require antenna for reception.  Reception varies by location.
Did I miss anything (given that I only know Cox)?

-SUO
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post #313 of 13500
2/8/07 at 11:16am
Orange---

Washington Comcast has Universal HD.
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post #314 of 13500
2/8/07 at 11:54am
Can anyone tell me if Comcast Woodbridge (Prince William County) has clear digital channels from Comcast Basic (analog) that can be picked up with a QAM tuner.

Thank you.
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post #315 of 13500
2/8/07 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by hokiefan View Post

I want to burn JP/Raycom sports / wdca to the ground. How the F is the duke unc game blacked out in the DC area? In fact, I'm really in the BALTIMORE market. These media rules are GODDAMN RIDUCLOUS.

Hey! I agree with a Hokie! The ACC needs to re-do their local TV contracts. I hope the JP contract is set to expire soon. I wrote to John Swofford (ACC commish) and the UVA AD Craig Littlepage a while back but never heard back from them regarding the bogus deal we get in ACC territory with the local broadcasting rights.

I'm somewhat confused because I had always thought that ESPN could pick which games to broadcast from the ACC schedule and then Raycom/JP gets the leftovers. I don't know how Duke @ UVA was able to be shown on ESPN-HD locally in Northern VA but then UNC @ Duke was blacked out and shown on JP. Of course one of the few times I was able to watch my Hoos in HD, I was actually at the game LOL.

At the very least, if Raycom is not ready to do HD, the ACC should put language in the next contract which guarantees HD broadcasts when available.
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post #316 of 13500
2/8/07 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by GoIrish View Post

An RF issue in your home, a bad box, ingress from a neighbor, a bad splitter. Those are some examples of what can be wrong.

My qualified generalization is based on experience and information.

You asked the general population of AVSForum if they have a problem such as yours. I didn't see any responses from any other Howard County customers affirming your same issue even though though there are many members from Howard County on this forum regularly. I get the same SA feed in Harford County and I have no problems.

To be a common problem affecting all customers as you want to infer, you don't think they would have repaired it ? Perhaps all the other customers in Howard County that have this issue sought the advice and counsel of people on the internet as well, rather than simply call the cable company. That could explain why they all have a problem and the company doesn't know about it and fixed it.

When I say that these types of issues are usually at the customer end it's because on a vast percentage basis they are. Yours certainly could be the exception to the rule, but we won't know that until you call the company for a service call.

GoIrish

Okay.

MY POINT was that Comcast didn't bother to even check if anyone else was having a problem, they just KNEE-JERK said they would send someone out. THAT is bad triage.

AND, no one has said that they DON'T HAVE the problem either so your "analysis" and assumption is bad.

BTW, I DID ask the company to check on it. Their reaction was to want to send a repairman out rather than EVEN CHECKING IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER CALLS ON THE ISSUE.

THAT was the point.

But of course it was lost in your arrogant answer to a question I didn't ask. Now, if you don't live in Howard County, your information is useless to me.

And, to Joe, I have no idea if more than one person called in. Neither did they. They didn't bother to check!

Why is this nuance missing on you guys. If they get ZERO calls, then it might be on my end. If they don't check how do they know?

A GOOD customer service organization checks to see if there is a pattern, doesn't ASSUME that you need a service call.

But go ahead and defend Comcrap. They want to send someone out if the wind changes direction.
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post #317 of 13500
2/8/07 at 12:26pm
Anyone else noticed major breakups on most of the Howard County Comcast HD channels? Super Bowl was great, but since then it's been really bad. Even the "analog" ones have been choppy.
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post #318 of 13500
2/8/07 at 12:28pm
NBC's to Be First National Newscast in Format

"NBC Nightly News" is about to become the first national evening news broadcast to go hi-def.

The show will begin broadcasting in the format in March; an exact date is not yet decided. (read more - TV Week)
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post #319 of 13500
2/8/07 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by markbulla View Post

Well, good news and bad news - I participated in the test, and am able to receive the HD signal with no problem. I have a dedicated HD satellite receiver on a dedicated satellite dish, and it all works!

Unfortunately, I currently have no way to put the signal on the air... The equipment that I use to put the CW network HD signal on the air doesn't have another input for audio. I might be able to use the HD video with the analog audio, if they are in time with each other, but I would have to test that...

Something to think about, I guess.

Mark


I'll settle for video only on 54.1 if available. If someone really wants to hear Tim Brant and whomever babble on about something, then let those people watch on 54 analog.
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post #320 of 13500
2/8/07 at 12:55pm
from "Kay, Frank"
to ***
date Feb 8, 2007 3:41 PM
subject RE: High Definition

A Message From Raycom Sports / Lincoln Financial Sports:

We apologize for having to blackout the HD feed of ESPN's UNC-Duke game in your area. R/LF's broadcast contracts with the local TV stations that carry ACC Basketball provide them with full exclusivity in their markets, as per FCC requirements for syndicated content. Without these affiliates we would not be able to broadcast the other 35 regular season ACC games we have on the R/LF schedule. As a result, we will have to continue to black-out ESPN's SD & HD feed of any games that we share with ESPN.

Raycom Sports and Lincoln Financial Sports have been testing "non-network" or syndicated HD delivery of our ACC Basketball telecasts with our local stations throughout the ACC region. The tests are have been fairly successful thus far, with about half of our local stations having the ability to downlink and broadcast a HD feed from R/LF. Because of this promising statistic, we will most likely be producing and distributing the entire ACC Basketball Tournament in HD this season. We are also looking into the feasibility of broadcasting other regular seasons games (such as the UNC-Duke match-up) in HD during the 2008 season. Thank you for your patience and your support of ACC Basketball.


Raycom Sports & Lincoln Financial Sports


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from Ahsan ***
to media@raycomsports.com
date Feb 8, 2007 3:33 PM
subject High Definition


When will you be bringing us ACC basketball in High Definition? I do not appreciate that ESPN-HD is blacked out for low quality Raycom/LFS productions. ACC Basketball deserves to be shown to its fans in the highest quality broadcast standards. What are your near future plans? At the very least, you should allow ESPN-HD and ESPN2-HD to be displayed while blacking out ESPN. It is also a travesty that the ACC Tournament is blacked out on ESPN-HD in the mid-Atlantic region and shown on analog cable. It is really fuzzy!

Thank you,
--
Ahsan
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post #321 of 13500
2/8/07 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by tonyd79 View Post

Okay.

MY POINT was that Comcast didn't bother to even check if anyone else was having a problem, they just KNEE-JERK said they would send someone out. THAT is bad triage.

AND, no one has said that they DON'T HAVE the problem either so your "analysis" and assumption is bad.

BTW, I DID ask the company to check on it. Their reaction was to want to send a repairman out rather than EVEN CHECKING IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER CALLS ON THE ISSUE.

THAT was the point.

But of course it was lost in your arrogant answer to a question I didn't ask. Now, if you don't live in Howard County, your information is useless to me.

And, to Joe, I have no idea if more than one person called in. Neither did they. They didn't bother to check!

Why is this nuance missing on you guys. If they get ZERO calls, then it might be on my end. If they don't check how do they know?

A GOOD customer service organization checks to see if there is a pattern, doesn't ASSUME that you need a service call.

But go ahead and defend Comcrap. They want to send someone out if the wind changes direction.

Tony, there are people on this forum that really do know what they are talking about and aren't merely speculating when they respond to people. For example, the fact I live in Harford is not irrelevant to the answer I gave you. The fact that you don't understand that doesn't make my information incorrect. The fact you don't understand why the question and scenario you propose is illogical is also something I can't help you with either. So my efforts to inform you will end.

If you're this pleasant with the cable people who try and help you, I would expect they have an equally juvenille name for you as you ascribe to them. I would.

GoIrish
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post #322 of 13500
2/8/07 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by JoeInNVa View Post

I kept losing UHD and could not figure out why. I had it fine on one TV but the other it would show up for a few seconds then be gone for a while...I thought about calling Comcast to figure it out, but figured I needed to check something out...Guess what? The connector to the back of my box was a little loose. I tightened it up and BAM guess what I saw? Yup, UHD...

So, yes it can be at your end...And if there was an issue on their end, don't you think there would be more than 1 person calling in?

Joe,

I had a problem with reception of UHD from COMCAST also. As you know, the Moto 6412 DVR has a duel tuner. Well, one tuner would not receive UHD but the other would !! The trick is to set the DVR to record on the "good" tuner. Since I couldn't specify which tuner to use, it got a little tricky. I developed a work-around though. Let me know if this becomes a problem for you, and I'll share my work-around.
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post #323 of 13500
2/8/07 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by gant22 View Post

Can anyone tell me if Comcast Woodbridge (Prince William County) has clear digital channels from Comcast Basic (analog) that can be picked up with a QAM tuner.

Thank you.

Yes, they do. I'm on the Dale City system and we get 4,5,7,9,26,56(I think) plus others I can't remember. I don't think we get 20 yet. If you're interested, the on-demand shows are transmitted in the clear on digital 77, 78, 79 channel range.
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post #324 of 13500
2/8/07 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by Theauwolf View Post

Anyone else noticed major breakups on most of the Howard County Comcast HD channels? Super Bowl was great, but since then it's been really bad. Even the "analog" ones have been choppy.

I've had issues with this in the past, the free QAM channels specifically. My analog channels up around 75 have interference too. I had a tech come out to try and fix it a long time ago because it was messing with the cable modem as well. He wasn't much help at all. The one thing I did learn is that temperature has an effect on the signal and he offered to turn it down to the house because it was too strong. (Cold makes it stronger.) It was working since the visit up until a couple weeks ago.

That said, now my TV says the the signal is too low. I think it might be too high, actually, because it has been so cold recently. My cable modem is fine, and I am watching everything OTA, so I could care less. I don't need Comcast to come out and waste my time (again) and possibly make things worse.

Also recently, I removed a 4-way splitter that was unneeded because it fed rooms that don't have TV's. (I needed the splitter for something else and I didn't want to go to the store.) It wasn't between the main line and the QAM TV, but if I understand things right, it could affect the whole house. That might have had something to do with it. I need to do some experimentation to be sure.
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post #325 of 13500
2/8/07 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

I've noticed the ATSC tuner in the Pioneer Pro-1140HD picks up quite a few stations. The HDHomerun networked tuner feeing a Media Center 2005 PC gets the same ones at just about the same signal strength. The tuners in the DirecTV HR10-250 comes nowhere near as close and just barely gets the same signals.

From what I've read, that's an issue with the D*'s DTV tuner before anything else. Don't try to be the hero until 2009, when you'll post about not getting mo&%^#%&^@*ng WJLA and WUSA...
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On a side note, if you think that WETA's HD PQ is bad now, imagine this on a WETA subchannel....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...94#post9721094

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...63#post9724763

My response from the Chicago OTA thread:

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Originally Posted by mikemikeb View Post

Here in DC, our PBS-HD channel, WETA, already has three SD subchannels to go along with their 1080i HD channel, and even with my SDTV, I can see macroblocking on many an occasion. I wonder if they'll add this Spanish channel, and if they'll down-resolve the HD to 720p to cope...

To think, the other PBS station in town, WHUT, isn't digitally broadcasting, yet. This "V-me" would be a great channel for them...
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post #326 of 13500
2/8/07 at 3:26pm
I recently bought a CM 4221 to replace my Terk HDTVa (amplified) to get perfect reception in Columbia, MD thanks to the suggestions on this board. The Terk was doing an OK job, but it wasn't always perfect (especially with wind) and it was making me nervous that it wasn't tied down to anything and could be easily bumped out of alignment. (Though it wasn't in a place where this could readily happen.)

I mounted it in the attic and it is getting better reception than the Terk without even being amplified. I've aimed it at DC (which I prefer) but I wasn't really successful in getting Baltimore off the back side. I have tall trees in that direction which probably doesn't help. I saw a suggestion to remove the wire grate off the back and that worked wonderfully. I get basically everything but 24 (jeez, get some juice already) and 26. I get 67 which is a surprise, but 22 comes in much better. Most everything is a very strong signal.

So far I have no multipath issues, but it's only been a day. I'll see what happens when the wind starts picking up because that always doomed Baltimore with the Terk.

I'm hoping this will get the VHF well enough in 2009. We'll see.
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post #327 of 13500
2/8/07 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by mikemikeb View Post

From what I've read, that's an issue with the D*'s DTV tuner before anything else. Don't try to be the hero until 2009, when you'll post about not getting mo&%^#%&^@*ng WJLA and WUSA...
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On a side note, if you think that WETA's HD PQ is bad now, imagine this on a WETA subchannel....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...94#post9721094

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...63#post9724763

My response from the Chicago OTA thread:

Why will the DirecTV tuner have problems with VHF in 2009?
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post #328 of 13500
2/8/07 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by ahsan View Post

from "Kay, Frank"
to ***
date Feb 8, 2007 3:41 PM
subject RE: High Definition

A Message From Raycom Sports / Lincoln Financial Sports:
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The tests are have been fairly successful thus far, with about half of our local stations having the ability to downlink and broadcast a HD feed from R/LF. Because of this promising statistic, we will most likely be producing and distributing the entire ACC Basketball Tournament in HD this season.


I also emailed them and got the same email back. What do you want to bet that WDCA 20 is one of the half of the stations that don't have the ability to downlink and broadcast HD. WDCA was like the last station to go digital.
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post #329 of 13500
2/8/07 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by ahsan View Post

When will you be bringing us ACC basketball in High Definition? I do not appreciate that ESPN-HD is blacked out for low quality Raycom/LFS productions. ACC Basketball deserves to be shown to its fans in the highest quality broadcast standards. What are your near future plans? At the very least, you should allow ESPN-HD and ESPN2-HD to be displayed while blacking out ESPN. It is also a travesty that the ACC Tournament is blacked out on ESPN-HD in the mid-Atlantic region and shown on analog cable. It is really fuzzy!

Thank you,
--
Ahsan

At least you said thank you.
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post #330 of 13500
2/8/07 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Why will the DirecTV tuner have problems with VHF in 2009?

It won't: Your SquareShooter will have the issue. It's vertically polarized for VHF, while the antenna is horizontally polarized for UHF. This means that you'll have to tilt it in a way that maybe you'll get VHF and UHF signals at once, if it's possible to get the VHF ones at all (the link'll help you how). You might have a chance on your two other tuners, but I suspect that it's a lost cause for the D* receiver. But it won't have total blame.

Anybody with a SquareShooter will be prone to reception issues in 2009. Many will learn that the hard way.
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