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Russound CAV6.6 install questions

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I have decided to install a Russound CAV6.6 in my home that is currently under construction. I have a few questions that I have concerning wiring and speak selection. From the CAV to the speakers I was planning on 14 gauge in-wall. Will this be sufficient?

I am waiting to hear back from a friend that works at an electronics store for the pricing of some Klipsh ceiling speakers (KHC-6). I will be getting his cost?? Anyway, the CAV is rated at 20W per channel and the speakers at 50W, is this a good fit for this setup?

One more thing. Were is the best place to buy bulk wire online? I will be needing Cat5E, Cat6, Speaker wire, and RG6. The RG6, should I spend the extra and go with the RG6 Quad Shield?

Thanks,
Kevin
post #2 of 15
For Cat5/Cat6 I usually buy from here for my work.
http://www.lanshack.com/

or
http://www.fourpair.com/

I'm sure everyone else has suggestions for Speaker cable.
Kyle
post #3 of 15
14ga will work, but it's overkill for 20 watts at short distance form keypad to speaker. 16ga would be fine up to fifty feet or so.

And yes 50watt max spec on a speaker will be fine for what your doing.
post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
I will have several zones out passed fifty feet. The CAV6.6 drives the speakers from the 12 channel amp, not the keypads. Unless I am missing something?? Could someone please verify this, I would really appreciate it!

Thanks,
Kevin N.
post #5 of 15
I believe you are right kna. They wire from the amp. The keypads are just connected to the preamp portion with cat5 for control.
post #6 of 15
In a non-ABUS setup, the speaker wires do run directly to the amp. This can be the CAV or an outboard amp. However, best practice is to run the speaker wires past/thru the keypad location for future proofing. This can increase your speaker wire distance.

For wire gage, runs under 100 ft are typically fine with 16ga. For example, using an 8 ohm speaker, at 115 ft there is a .5 db loss with 16ga wire. This equates to an 11% power reduction. The equivalent loss with 14ga wire is at 185 ft.

As an FYI, the CAV manual states 16ga can be run up to 125 ft, and 14ga can be run up to 250 ft.

Parts Express is a great source for wire.

Tom
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks to everyone for all the useful information!

Kevin...
post #8 of 15
I am currently using a CAV in my house and the 20wpc is NOT enough to make a good inwall sound good. especially the long speaker wire runs. the power drops significantly. I am going to use an external multichannel amp with some good power and headroom to drive my speakers correctly. I like the CAV becasuse its inexpensive and does what it says, but I do not use the video portion and the power stinks
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
Are you going to use an external amp on all your zones, or just the longer runs? I was wondering about an external amp myself. May I ask what type of amp you are planing to use and why?

Thanks a lot,
Kevin
post #10 of 15
Hi Kevin, I will use an external amp on all locations. Thinking of Elan, Rotel, Crown. Have not made up my mind yet. And remember that its not just to get it to play louder, but to play at a fuller more richer sound. Almost like wanting more torque than horsepower
post #11 of 15
Power wise, it just depends on what your expectations are, and what you are looking to accomplish with the Russound. For the most part, I am using my ceiling speakers for background music. 20 wpc is more than enough for this. In locations I need more (porch, deck, bar / rec room) I use an external amp. I got a great deal on a HK PA4000 that I use for some of those areas.

The Channel Vision A1260 looks like a good bang-for-the-buck amp as well. It all depends on your requirements and expectations.

Tom
post #12 of 15
This question is perfect timing. I realize this is not a product selection thread, but I had settled on the CAV 6, for our client and got pulled out of town on an emergency and as such delayed the purchase. While gone, I did a second look at the Nuvo Concerto and the 80Watts per channel in conjunction ccapozzoli's real world feedback has caused me to change my decision.

Also, I agree that running the speaker wire from the CAV/Nuvo---> Target Room --> Wall Panel --> Speaker reflects "Best Practices" for future proof.

I am also going with 16/2 as all rooms are under 100' runs.

- Ed
post #13 of 15
We're a week away from installing a CAV6 in our new home. I just read the latest review of the SpeakerCraft MODE system and I'm quite intrigued -- more zones, more power, iPod compatibility, bitchin' keypads (really bitchin'!).

We're using the ELK M1 Gold touchscreens and controller for the rest of the automation, and my installer, who spec'ed the CAV6, is concerned about compatibility between the SpeakerCraft and the ELK. Any advice?

TIA,
jbomber
post #14 of 15
jbomber,

I'm not aware of any integration with the Elk and SpeakerCraft MODE. If you want integration with the Elk and control of the audio using your Elk touchscreens, I think Russound is the only option right now.

Cheers,
Paul
post #15 of 15
Power wise, it just depends on what your expectations are, and what you are looking to accomplish with the Russound. For the most part, I am using my ceiling speakers for background music. 20 wpc is more than enough for this. In locations I need more (porch, deck, bar / rec room) I use an external amp. I got a great deal on a HK PA4000 that I use for some of those areas.

The Channel Vision A1260 looks like a good bang-for-the-buck amp as well. It all depends on your requirements and expectations.

Tom

I am buying the A1260 and the matrix also it only does composite video but if you dont need HDTV in those locations it is the best bang for the buck IMO
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