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post #1 of 63
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I think they call it "holding up" with time.
Some are able to do this better than others. Some are able to do it exceptionally better than others.

Until a couple weeks ago, I would probably have cited Alien as my choice for this thread.

But coincidentally, the 2001 thread which brought this "test of time" thing to mind, went up at about the same time as I watched John Carpenter's The Thing for the first time in almost 15 or 20 years.
The last time I saw it would have been whatever year it first made it to television.

And all I can say is this. If there is anyone else who has not watched this movie since back when it was in theatrical first release or thereabouts, for gods sake run, not walk, to wherever you rent DVD's and make this one your next choice.
I don't know why I was not as blown away by this flick back then. But let me tell you I cannot stop watching it this time. I bought the DVD in a garage sale recently.
I've now watched the movie three times. This is only the 2nd time I've ever watched a movie three times within a span of one week. And I was just as blown away by it on the third viewing as on the first.
This movie hits the bullseye on so many different levels that it's almost a crime.
Suffice to say that this movie makes for the one really glaring flaw in Roger Ebert's record of movie reviewing. With this one he dropped the ball.

But the topic of this thread is the "test of time". And I do believe if ever there was a timeless motion picture this is it. At least that's the case a quarter century later.
How much longer that will still be the case I do not know.
post #2 of 63
Wow, Bob, I haven't watched The Thing since back then either. I thought Carpenter was the best filmmaker going back then but I was a bit disappointed with this one. The creepy paranoia of the first half got drowned in a sea of special effects for me..they actually lessened the impact of the film, at least thats my recollection. I'll have to give it another try. As far as this thread goes, how are you defining "time"? I'm assuming you're not meaning classics from the 40's or 30's like Casablanca, etc. but how much time has to have passed for it to truly be a test?
For me, a lot of Eastwood films hold up surprisingly well. There are some of his early directed ones that I like better now than when they first came out.
post #3 of 63
The Thing holds up in my book, no doubt about it. In retrospect it's possibly Carpenter's best film. The original Assault on Precinct 13 also holds up really well, and honestly, so does Halloween.

Beyond that- it's a hard thread, Bob, because there just so much it's hard to know where to start! It's probably easier to address the question filmmaker by filmmaker- starting with Carpenter for instance.
post #4 of 63
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Wow, Bob, I haven't watched The Thing since back then either. I thought Carpenter was the best filmmaker going back then but I was a bit disappointed with this one. The creepy paranoia of the first half got drowned in a sea of special effects for me..they actually lessened the impact of the film, at least thats my recollection. I'll have to give it another try. As far as this thread goes, how are you defining "time"? I'm assuming you're not meaning classics from the 40's or 30's like Casablanca, etc. but how much time has to have passed for it to truly be a test?
For me, a lot of Eastwood films hold up surprisingly well. There are some of his early directed ones that I like better now than when they first came out.

Haha we must have had a Vulcan mind meld.
If you go back into this forum's archives there is a thread which discusses both "Thing" movies and you will find me telling everyone how good the first "Thing" was.
I didn't come right out and pooh pooh the Carpenter movie because I knew how much others held it in such high regard. But building up the 1951 movie was actually my way of saying the remake sucked.
I had exactly the same feeling about the 1982 flick then as when I was watching it in 82. That Carpenter had taken what was a great movie story and thrown a bunch of over the top special effects at it.

Guess what happens when I watched in 2007. Some leprechauns must have gotten into the film cans. Because all of a sudden there aren't a bunch of over the top special effects. There are just exactly the right amount of special effects. And those are as good as the best of special effects we see in movies made in 2007.
AND, once that leprechaun got ahold of it, every other aspect of this movie is now just about perfection.

The moral of this story, lonwolf, is: go watch it in 2007. I think you will be amazed how you will view it differently.

One thing to concentrate on. The soundtrack. It is the most awesome sound accompaning any horror movie ever. Maybe any suspense movie of any kind.

p.s. also the ensemble of great character actors in this flick is another one of it's superlatives.
They all add their own distinctive personalities to the humanity of the movie (helped by the strength of the dialogue they're given which is as good as it gets).
I hated Wilford Brimley until I saw him again in this. And now I'm a Wilford Brimley fanboy.
post #5 of 63
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Lonwolf and Fred,

Yes, I'm wanting to apply this criteria (test of time) to any film from every period.
Because in my opinion there really aren't that many movies which really and truly excel at this.
I think my aforementiond choice is one of the few.
post #6 of 63
Hard to believe, but even something like Pulp Fiction is now 12 years old. I think that it is pretty timeless. It has a little 90's-ness to it, and it was purposefully retro on top of that. But it's something that I think is a wild a ride now as it was then and stands outside of any particular period of time.

Even harder to believe but the original Terminator is 22 years old now. I think it holds up well, despite having both a low budget and the bad 80's clothes and hairstyles of the time that it portrays.
post #7 of 63
As far as Sci-Fi movies go here are a few that have held the test of time for me:

The Thing From Another World (1951)

The Thing (1982)

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)

The War of the Worlds (1953)

The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)

Although not Sci-Fi, King Kong (1933)



The first two, IMHO, are among a very elite group of movies whose remakes were as good or better than the originals.

Nicole Kidman is currently filming another remake of 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' titled "The Invasion"

As far as I know there has not been a remake of 'The Day the Earth Stood Sill'.
post #8 of 63
I have a hard time separating "test of time" and "it's an older movie and I like it". Some others may not like the movie and for that reason don't think the movie passes the test of time and vice versa.

I think Pulp Fiction is a good choice. But I like the movie. Is there anybody who does not like the movie but think it passes the test of time?

In the zombie movie category, "Dawn of the Dead" (the original, of course) passes the test of time, IMO. The social implications are still valid today and it's a great zombie flick.

larry
post #9 of 63
Where's Forbidden Planet (1956) in these lists? The music and the images in the Krell machine are still creepy after 50 years. I was really disappointed by the remake of the "War of the Worlds".
post #10 of 63
LAST YEAR AT MARIENBAD. It will stand the test of any time. (Assuming you don't think it's just plain stupid - and I'm not sure it's not.)
post #11 of 63
The Thing is a good choice for this, the fact that it was shot on remote location[for Antartica] helps quiet a bit. Nothing to compare, like cars news footage fashion ETC.
It also used a very good make up effects.

Early SCi-Fi's just don't cut it for me.

Costume dramas will do well 20-30 years from now like Braveheart, or Elizabeth.
post #12 of 63
Great idea mate.

I'm a regular DVD Thing fan of horror master John Carpenter's The Thing, it's got strange things happening in it that even puzzled my dad back in 1982 when I first saw it on VHS PAL, I just couldn't at the time bare to hear those sounds of the thing dog (shape-shifting) into that thing!


"So you sweethearts had yourselves a little trial. I just may have to kill you on general principle, Nauls".

If you're looking for Things to quote on the film here's the script!
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Thing,-The.html

Oh so who did you think was the thing at the end I think it was (Childs) positively "Childs" without a doubt!
post #13 of 63
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Originally Posted by MrMike6by9 View Post

Where's Forbidden Planet (1956) in these lists? The music and the images in the Krell machine are still creepy after 50 years. I was really disappointed by the remake of the "War of the Worlds".

War of the Words 2005

Yeah it was nothing more than a load of LFE! (Lots of F***ing Excuse) to make a remake!
post #14 of 63
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Originally Posted by JBLsound4645 View Post

Great idea mate.

I'm a regular DVD Thing fan of horror master John Carpenter's The Thing, it's got strange things happening in it that even puzzled my dad back in 1982 when I first saw it on VHS PAL, I just couldn't at the time bare to hear those sounds of the thing dog (shape-shifting) into that thing!


"So you sweethearts had yourselves a little trial. I just may have to kill you on general principle, Nauls".

If you're looking for Things to quote on the film here's the script!
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Thing,-The.html

Oh so who did you think was the thing at the end I think it was (Childs) positively "Childs" without a doubt!

If I didn't take so much ribbing for it here whenever I say it, I would have not used this "test of time" deal to post about The Thing, JBL.
I would have had the cajones to do the thread I really wanted to do...
"I have just seen what may be my favorite film of all time".

But nobody except you woulda believed me anyway.
post #15 of 63
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I'll tell you something else too.
I wish instead of so much cinema being devoted to that other fricking John Carpenter monster, Michael Myers, that the film world would instead have seen fit to tell me one more good story about what happened to the Thing after that camp blew up.
Talk about a cliff-hanger. That's a cliff-hanger on steroids.
post #16 of 63
I would be walking up to McReady's shack mate, I doubt that was blown to smithereens and shack up there with Childs or what ever the hell he is? At least it would be warm. But that's what the Thing likes it likes to be kept warm!


"I just wanna get up to my shack and get drunk." - MacReady


You got be f&%king Kidding.
post #17 of 63
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Originally Posted by RobertWood View Post

Some leprechauns must have gotten into the film cans. Because all of a sudden there aren't a bunch of over the top special effects. There are just exactly the right amount of special effects.

Interesting... I wonder if what you've experienced is a change in movie tastes over time. As effects costs come down and quality goes up, movies tend to get more effects and we tend to expect more of them. And this applies to other aspects of films such as the length of cuts, storytelling techniques, the use of "shakey cam", etc. Thus movies we like today may not hold up as well in the future.

So I guess a movie that "stands the test of time" would be one that can transcend these changes in tastes.
post #18 of 63
You know, the first film I thought of was Pulp Fiction when I read the OP. Its nice to see I'm not the only one. At the time its appeal seemed to be that it was such a radical departure for a mainstream hollywood film, esp. a successful one. Now that time has passed(and its been imitated countless times, both good and bad) its easier to view it in perspective as just great movie making. Its actually a better viewing experience after it has lost its shock value, at least for me..
Robert, I'm right there with you as far as The Thing goes, right down to hesitating to say anything bad about it, for the same reasons you give. My opinion of the original is not as high as some because of how much it was changed from the Campbell story it was based on. The first half of the Carpenter version did a much better job capturing the feelings of that story, imo..before losing it in a FX gorefest. But I loved the ending...definately have to see it again.
post #19 of 63
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I hated Wilford Brimley until I saw him again in this. And now I'm a Wilford Brimley fanboy.

I enjoy watching Brimley beat up Tom Cruise in The Firm.
post #20 of 63
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Originally Posted by Sean Nelson View Post

Interesting... I wonder if what you've experienced is a change in movie tastes over time. As effects costs come down and quality goes up, movies tend to get more effects and we tend to expect more of them. And this applies to other aspects of films such as the length of cuts, storytelling techniques, the use of "shakey cam", etc. Thus movies we like today may not hold up as well in the future.

So I guess a movie that "stands the test of time" would be one that can transcend these changes in tastes.

I honestly don't know how to explain it. It's a strange sensation. I've experienced this before with music, when I listen to a song which didn't do much for me at first but then blows me away decades later. But if memory serves me correctly, until now I've never had an about face on a movie like this.
post #21 of 63
2001 Space Odyssey. It looked real to me back in the 60's and it still does today.
post #22 of 63
David Lean's "Lawrence of Arabia" A fictionalized account of a factual event that happened over 40 years prior managed to avoid all the trappings of late-50's paranoia and tell a story that is, sadly, still relevant today, over 80 years after the event. That would be my reason for selecting this movie, and it's a great film to boot!

The only disagreement I have with the The Thing (which I do like very much) is that the story relied too much on a fixed technology, i.e., the inability to communicate with the outside world. Sure, this kind of thing did happen before satellites, etc., but the fact that this was central to the telling of the story dated the movie on that account. Had this fact not been so apparent, I would agree wholeheartedly, and perhaps I am nitpicking.

Here are some future candidates:

Firefly. The best thing on TV in the last 20 years, IMO. There's no way to categorize it. Is it a western or sci-fi or drama or action series or sitcom or romance? It's all of them.

Jackson's LOTR

Doug
post #23 of 63
just saw "ordinary people" after not seeing it for over 20yrs.

not dated in the least.

of course it used classical music soundtrack which probably helped

"the shining" does not seem dated either.
post #24 of 63
What about wizard of Oz has to be one of the most well known seen movies of all time.

t1 and t2 are fairly good but they may just be a byproduct of fox and their les rehash T2 50 times per new format...


But yeah the thing is a great movie that hold up with time..

What about star wars the OT.. Everyones seen this as well. I think the effects still hold up well..
post #25 of 63
Do they have to be good movies, or merely ones that have been around that people talk about from time to time?

As examples, Star Trek II, the Wrath of Khan or IV, the Journey Home are probaby the 2 best of the Star Trek franchise.

I would throw the original Time Machine in, but the SFX of lava destroying the toy city looks silly (the rest of the film holds up pretty well).
post #26 of 63
Silence of The Lambs
post #27 of 63
Jaws

BTW, on UHD last night for the first time in HD. Looked great!

larry
post #28 of 63
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t1 and t2 are fairly good but they may just be a byproduct of fox and their les rehash T2 50 times per new format...

None of the Terminator movies are owned by Fox.

Terminator is MGM.
Terminator 2 is Lionsgate.
Terminator 3 is Warner Bros.
post #29 of 63
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As examples, Star Trek II, the Wrath of Khan or IV, the Journey Home are probaby the 2 best of the Star Trek franchise.

Star Trek IV is one of the worst Trek movies, IMO, and has not aged well at all. I much prefer either Star Trek: The Motion Picture or Star Trek III to Star Trek IV, which stands in defiance to the "only even numbered Trek movies are good" myth.
post #30 of 63
Stand By Me

I think it stands the test of time. It's only let on of era is the computer he is using at the end. Looking over that flaw, this movie rules. Anyone wanna go see a dead body?
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