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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

I am sure your English is WAY better than my Dutch. But you are expecting too much from the AVR prompts on the display illustrations. AT MOST some units, like my Denon, prompt you with the next position number, but the displayed positions on your display will never appear any different. Those are only suggested mic placements anyway. As bluesky clarified for you, once the tones finish for a position, you move the mic manually to a different position and then prompt it to take the next measurement. I believe you have MultEQXT and can stop after 3 or 8 positions. I am pretty sure your unit is functioning correctly. Proceed and finish autosetup.

CLEAR, thank you all !!
I was indeed on the wrong track in thinking i would be seeing a different mic position on the (TV) screen.......
post #20552 of 62197
Currently, where is the best place to buy the Audyssey pro installer mic kit + software? I have an NAD M15HD on the way and my current mic + RoomEQ Wizard isn't going to work.
post #20553 of 62197
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Originally Posted by JohnNY-C View Post

Currently, where is the best place to buy the Audyssey pro installer mic kit + software? I have an NAD M15HD on the way and my current mic + RoomEQ Wizard isn't going to work.

Check with NAD. They may have a solution for you.
post #20554 of 62197
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Check with NAD. They may have a solution for you.

By the way, I'm with you as far as SACDs but it's so hard to find good deals on new, stand-alone players... I think that the current state of SACD is more of a marketing issue (broken feedback loop with consumer).
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Also, while I'm ranting, my best sounding source shouldn't be my Wadia iPod transport playing a lossless-encoded track by such a surprising margin (night-and-day, I love it). However, it, *is* my best sounding source - hats off to the DACs in the NAD M15.

post #20556 of 62197
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Originally Posted by JohnNY-C View Post

By the way, I'm with you as far as SACDs but it's so hard to find good deals on new, stand-alone players... I think that the current state of SACD is more of a marketing issue (broken feedback loop with consumer).

??? Are you saying there's a paucity of players or of SACDs? I do not think there is a shortage of players, at least not at the moment. As for SACDs, that depends on your interests.
post #20557 of 62197
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

??? Are you saying there's a paucity of players or of SACDs? I do not think there is a shortage of players, at least not at the moment. As for SACDs, that depends on your interests.

Sorry, let me add some more detail around the edges as I sometimes like to just jump (ed: LEAP) to point B and blurt out my conclusions...

I don't think that there are any players which are marketed towards a broad audience in an attempt for the market to coalesce around upgrading the analog components downstream of the current red-book-reproducing sounds of yesterday. If anything, it solidifies your point made about the adoption of stereo/multi-ch. BD playback but finds itself in the same marketing (I mean this in the most general of terms, "turning a want into a need") conundrum. Essentially, there's the "why do I need it when my speakers can't reproduce it" crowd, and then there are those in the know which consider these facits to be essential and had for low-dollar-amounts...
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I am still lost.
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Originally Posted by CBdicX View Post

Yes i do now, thank you for your kind help :-)

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Originally Posted by CBdicX View Post

CLEAR, thank you all !!
I was indeed on the wrong track in thinking i would be seeing a different mic position on the (TV) screen.......

Glad you figured it out.
post #20560 of 62197
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Originally Posted by JohnNY-C View Post

Sorry, let me add some more detail around the edges as I sometimes like to just jump (ed: LEAP) to point B and blurt out my conclusions...

I don't think that there are any players which are marketed towards a broad audience in an attempt for the market to coalesce around upgrading the analog components downstream of the current red-book-reproducing sounds of yesterday. If anything, it solidifies your point made about the adoption of stereo/multi-ch. BD playback but finds itself in the same marketing (I mean this in the most general of terms, "turning a want into a need") conundrum. Essentially, there's the "why do I need it when my speakers can't reproduce it" crowd, and then there are those in the know which consider these facits to be essential and had for low-dollar-amounts...

Maybe you should discuss this topic here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...ysprune=&f=112
post #20561 of 62197
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

I am still lost.

THese days, people should expect better sound for less $
post #20562 of 62197
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Maybe you should discuss this topic here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...ysprune=&f=112

Sorry.

So, I'll let everyone know how great my little room sounds next weekend!
post #20563 of 62197
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Originally Posted by JohnNY-C View Post

So, I'll let everyone know how great my little room sounds next weekend!

That would be excellent.
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Originally Posted by JohnNY-C View Post

THese days, people should expect better sound for less $

Sure.
post #20565 of 62197
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Originally Posted by audyssey View Post

Exactly. In fact, if a Sub Equalizer or SVS AS-EQ1 is used we prefer that the AVR doesn't "know". It is relieved of its duty to equalize the sub(s) and all it does is apply the trim and delay that the Sub Equalizer of SVS AS-EQ1 tells it to in their software.



Hi Chris

Why do you/SVS then recommend now ( version 1.3 - with MultEQ avr´s ) that we dont use the values the AS-EQ1 recommend, but use that the AVR/MultEQ finds after that ?

dj
post #20566 of 62197
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

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Hi Chris

Why do you/SVS then recommend now ( version 1.3 - with MultEQ avr´s ) that we dont use the values the AS-EQ1 recommend, but use that the AVR/MultEQ finds after that ?

dj

Not Chris ..

The recommended setup now is for MultEQ XT to be run "over" the AS-EQ1/Subwoofer Equalizer. The latter will have corrected (mostly?) everything and the former will have little to do but balance the channels. It is my understanding that this was at the root of the change. They are "comfortable" with the one Audyssey working with the other, whereas they are not with "other" room correction products working with the AS-EQ1/Subwoofer Equalizer. i.e. as the alternate setup recommends for those w/o Audyssey in their processor.

Jeff
post #20567 of 62197
If one has one of the XT AVR's that is Aud Pro 'Ready', i.e., capable of using the Pro kit, it seems redundant to get the Pro kit and also the AS-EQ1; is that correct? I.e., does the AS-EQ1 go beyond what the Pro kit does in the sub region?
post #20568 of 62197
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

If one has one of the XT AVR's that is Aud Pro 'Ready', i.e., capable of using the Pro kit, it seems redundant to get the Pro kit and also the AS-EQ1; is that correct? I.e., does the AS-EQ1 go beyond what the Pro kit does in the sub region?

The Audyssey Pro Kit has the following advantages:

1) A better, individually-calibrated mic
2) The ability to fine tune the target curve using a graphic curve editor
3) The ability to save and reload measurements

The resolution of the MultEQ XT filters is the same, however, as when you run the built-in version of MultEQ XT. This is because the processor in the AVR is still the same and it can only run a certain resolution.

The AS-EQ1 gives you the ability to get much higher resolution in the subwoofer channel because of the stand-alone processor. It also gives you the ability to blend two subs in a way that is not possible in current AVRs.
post #20569 of 62197
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

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Hi Chris

Why do you/SVS then recommend now ( version 1.3 - with MultEQ avr´s ) that we dont use the values the AS-EQ1 recommend, but use that the AVR/MultEQ finds after that ?

dj

In addition to pepar's answer, the other reason was to simplify the process that seemed to be confusing some users.
post #20570 of 62197
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Originally Posted by audyssey View Post

The Audyssey Pro Kit has the following advantages:

1) A better, individually-calibrated mic
2) The ability to fine tune the target curve using a graphic curve editor
3) The ability to save and reload measurements

The resolution of the MultEQ XT filters is the same, however, as when you run the built-in version of MultEQ XT. This is because the processor in the AVR is still the same and it can only run a certain resolution.

The AS-EQ1 gives you the ability to get much higher resolution in the subwoofer channel because of the stand-alone processor. It also gives you the ability to blend two subs in a way that is not possible in current AVRs.

Thanks for clarifying this for me, Chris.
post #20571 of 62197
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Originally Posted by audyssey View Post

The Audyssey Pro Kit has the following advantages:

1) A better, individually-calibrated mic
2) The ability to fine tune the target curve using a graphic curve editor
3) The ability to save and reload measurements

The resolution of the MultEQ XT filters is the same, however, as when you run the built-in version of MultEQ XT. This is because the processor in the AVR is still the same and it can only run a certain resolution.

The AS-EQ1 gives you the ability to get much higher resolution in the subwoofer channel because of the stand-alone processor. It also gives you the ability to blend two subs in a way that is not possible in current AVRs.

Yeah, the AS EQ1 Blender produces a great tasting Bass Smoothie...
post #20572 of 62197
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

just follow the Audyssey Setup Guide (linked in the first post) as it provides very detailed, step-by-step instructions.

for your subwoofer:

1. set phase to 0
2. set crossover to "bypass", or if that is not possible turn the crossover all the way up
3. set volume between 1/3 and 1/2 on the knob

Then run Audyssey and let it do its thing. The Auto Setup program will set the crossovers for the little Take speakers (probably 150Hz or so).

Thanks! I'm pretty pleased with the results after calibration, but I'm wanting a bit more bass. Should I adjust the volume on the sub or on the receiver?

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After that, enjoy! And of course let the upgrade bug creep slowly in, as you start to think about the fact that your 707 has Audyssey DSX, and how there's all that empty space on the wall and if you just bought two more speakers you could replace the front channels and move two of the Takes to "wide" or "height" speakers....

Well, the Takes WERE the upgrade from a crappy set of 10 y.o. Kenwood speakers and sub we had been using, and it's a small room (11 ft.-deep listening area from wall to wall) so heights or wides (or even 7.1) seems somewhat pointless. Additionally, the Aesthetics Committee OK'd new speakers but wanted them as small as possible, so that's how we ended up with the Takes, and are unlikely to be adding or exchanging any speakers for the foreseeable future. Next upgrades are a PS3 and a 1080p (LED?) TV.
post #20573 of 62197
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Originally Posted by Tybee View Post

... Should I adjust the volume on the sub or on the receiver?...

Once autosetup is run, do not touch the sub as that cannot be precisely undone and returned to reference without a rerun. Feel free to adjust the sub channel in the AVR to preference, as that is easily reestablished at the push of a button.
post #20574 of 62197
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Originally Posted by Tybee View Post

Thanks! I'm pretty pleased with the results after calibration, but I'm wanting a bit more bass. Should I adjust the volume on the sub or on the receiver?

The sub channel trim on the receiver.

Jeff
post #20575 of 62197
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Once autosetup is run, do not touch the sub as that cannot be precisely undone and returned to reference without a rerun. Feel free to adjust the sub channel in the AVR to preference, as that is easily reestablished at the push of a button.

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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

The sub channel trim on the receiver.

Gotcha. Makes sense. I'm still a little paranoid that I had the volume set incorrectly for the auto-calibration (it said between 1/3 and 1/2, so I turned the dial to about 11 o'clock -- not Spinal Tap 11, mind you).
post #20576 of 62197
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Originally Posted by Tybee View Post

Gotcha. Makes sense. I'm still a little paranoid that I had the volume set incorrectly for the auto-calibration (it said between 1/3 and 1/2, so I turned the dial to about 11 o'clock -- not Spinal Tap 11, mind you).

None of my amps had any numbers over 10.
No need to be paranoid, what is the trim on the sub channel?
post #20577 of 62197
Tybee, you might also try twiddling the bass tone control a bit first to see if you can achieve the bottom end you like. Changing the trim can muck up the splice/transition between sub and mains if it is overdone ... you know, to 11.
post #20578 of 62197
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Originally Posted by Tybee View Post

Gotcha. Makes sense. I'm still a little paranoid that I had the volume set incorrectly for the auto-calibration (it said between 1/3 and 1/2, so I turned the dial to about 11 o'clock

Before or after you ran setup?
post #20579 of 62197
Chris, I was successful in getting another pair of M&K S-150's on ebay in preparation for deploying DSX. I don't have a processor yet, but the most difficult part is taken care of and I prefer to wait for the right one to come along anyway. My question is regarding aiming them.

Presently, I use a laser alignment system to target the point in space that more or less the geographical center of heads in the listening area. Should the Wides be similarly aimed? I'm wondering because the spread between them will put the left outer seats more off axis from the left Wide than they are with L. And vice versa for the right outside seats.

Jeff
post #20580 of 62197
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Presently, I use a laser alignment system to target the point in space that more or less the geographical center of heads in the listening area. Should the Wides be similarly aimed? I'm wondering because the spread between them will put the left outer seats more off axis from the left Wide than they are with L. And vice versa for the right outside seats.

Hi Jeff,

The answer to this is really no different than for any other speaker. If you have your fronts pointing to the center seat then there are seats off the main speaker axis. I would recommend doing the same for the Wides.
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