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post #23641 of 62743
2/7/10 at 5:04am
[quote=thunderstruck90;18086116]Hello, I have spent the last 12 hours setting up my 7.1 system...QUOTE]

Hi. You will find the 790 thread an invaluable resource, particularly the link to batpigworld (aka "Denon for dummies") linked on the first page.
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post #23642 of 62743
2/7/10 at 5:04am
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Originally Posted by pbz06 View Post

How fickle is Audyssey?

I swear every time I try to calibrate, the world turns against me. I had the fridge start making abnormally loud noises during the 1st measurement. The mic slipped off and fell to the ground during the 3rd go around. A huge airplane sounded like it was going to crash in my place during the 4th measurement, and then fire engines roared by during the 7th measurement.

Sigh.

All the measurements seem fine. The sub registered at +3dB which is recommended. All the distances look fine too.

Should I be worried that calibration needs to be re-done?

Unless you got a noise level error message during calibration it is fine.
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post #23643 of 62743
2/7/10 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

No AVR allows you to adjust an on-board equilizer without turning Audyssey off first. You cannot adjust a multiband equilizer just by listening to music.

Of course you can. People have been manually adjusting equalizers for decades. If done with care, the results can be quite good subjectively. But this is beside the point. compddd was wondering what the EQ adjustments did. My advice was to play some music and start adjusting the bands to see what affect they have on the sound. This is the fastest way to figure out how an EQ works for someone who isn't familiar with one.

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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

In any case, the on-board eqs are simple multiband (maybe 7 or 9 bands at most) eqs. No on-board equilizer will do as good a job as Audyssey.

Never said they did. compddd didn't like the sounds of his system after Audissey was run. Sure, it is more accurate as far as room correction is concerned, but if he doesn't like it, so what? There is no point in dogmatically using the Audyssey EQ if the listener doesn't care for the result.

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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

The best advice to give someone is to follow the Audyssey setup guide to the letter. Once you are done, spend some time listening. Don't make a decision based on a brief audition. And if you don't understand something, ask a question.

Agreed.
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post #23644 of 62743
2/7/10 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by toobwacky View Post

Of course you can. People have been manually adjusting equalizers for decades. If done with care, the results can be quite good subjectively.

Unless a person has a golden ear, and not even the pros rely on their ears, the adjustments that make one song sound right will make the next three sound wrong resulting in another ... and another .. round of tweaking. To encourage someone to twiddle the manual EQ and defeating Audyssey is a disservice to that person. The reasons behind them being unhappy should be investigated and addressed.

Just throwing that out there.

Jeff
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post #23645 of 62743
2/7/10 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Unless a person has a golden ear, and not even the pros rely on their ears, the adjustments that make one song sound right will make the next three sound wrong resulting in another ... and another .. round of tweaking. To encourage someone to twiddle the manual EQ and defeating Audyssey is a disservice to that person. The reasons behind them being unhappy should be investigated and addressed.

Just throwing that out there.

Jeff

I think you too are missing the point. compddd was wondering what the various adjustments of an EQ did. Playing some music and hearing what adjusting the bands do is the best learning method I can think of.

What method would you propose that compddd employ to understand what an equalizer does?
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post #23646 of 62743
2/7/10 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by toobwacky View Post

I think you too are missing the point. compddd was wondering what the various adjustments of an EQ did. Playing some music and hearing what adjusting the bands do is the best learning method I can think of.

What method would you propose that compddd employ to understand what an equalizer does?

Playing some music and hearing what adjusting the bands do is the best learning method I can think of for learning what an EQ does as well, but the OP didn't say he wanted to learn how the EQ worked. In fact, compddd did not mention the word "equalizer" at all. The post was "everything sounds flat and dull and there is no punch" and you went right to the equalizer recommendation. I think most of us here take a post like this as a challenge to overcome and want to dig in and see what system the member has, what they did, how they did it and what they expected to be the results. These posts/complaints are not uncommon and rarely do people come away from here without their problem being solved. This, by the way, is the point of this thread.

So, yeah, it's me who has missed the point. That's gotta be it.
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post #23647 of 62743
2/7/10 at 9:44am
There's really no need to get snarky about it.

If compddd's system sounds flat and dull to him after running Audyessey, isn't it logical assume that the cause of this is primarlily what Audyseey has done to the EQ? It seems logical to me and that's why I mentioned it.

And compddd did ask about EQ in subsequent posts, so what point is it you are making?
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post #23648 of 62743
2/7/10 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by compddd View Post

I have a Onkyo HT-S6200 system, and out of the box it sounded nice and impressive, so I ran Audyssey so it would make it sound even better.

Now however everything sounds flat and dull and there is no punch, ...

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Originally Posted by toobwacky View Post

You can always adjust the equalizer in your AVR to suit your sonic taste after Audyssey has run.

What is it when you make a suggestion and then conveniently ignore that by saying the OP did mention it in subsequent posts? Why not start your own thread titled "Whatever your complaint, I'm going to recommend the manual EQ"?

Snarky, as far as I'm concerned is continually using bold text as if that makes your point any more valid.
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post #23649 of 62743
2/7/10 at 10:01am
pepar's OD'd on Espresso again.

Same ole pref vs. ref
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post #23650 of 62743
2/7/10 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by toobwacky View Post

If compddd's system sounds flat and dull to him after running Audyessey, isn't it logical assume that the cause of this is primarlily what Audyseey has done to the EQ? It seems logical to me and that's why I mentioned it...

Someone comes to this thread asking for help with Audyssey and you tell him to turn it off. That's not how we do it around here. Philistine indeed....
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post #23651 of 62743
2/7/10 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

pepar's OD'd on Espresso again.

Same ole pref vs. ref

That's over-simplifying it.

No one addressed the OP's setup; slow day on the thread I guess and everyone was busy elsewhere. Recommending he forget Audyssey, which is what was implied by telling him to use the manual EQ, is not helpful to the OP in understanding his situation or his options.

I'm going to pull some ristras now to calm down.
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post #23652 of 62743
2/7/10 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Someone comes to this thread asking for help with Audyssey and you tell him to turn it off. That's not how we do it around here. Philistine indeed....

I am not so sure he knew using the manual EQ turned Audyssey off ...
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post #23653 of 62743
2/7/10 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by compddd View Post

I have a Onkyo HT-S6200 system, and out of the box it sounded nice and impressive, so I ran Audyssey so it would make it sound even better.

Now however everything sounds flat and dull and there is no punch, I checked my speaker settings and it set my front and center speakers to -10db, my surrounds to -5db, and my sub to -1db

It also set the crossovers to 120Hz for my fronts, and 150Hz for my center and surrounds.

Is this normal? I am not impressed with the sound at all after running Audyssey.

I followed the steps in the guide in this thread, but I still get the same results.

What speakers do you have? How and where are they mounted? Please tell us a bit about your room acoustically, and your seating positions. Pics would help.

Jeff
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post #23654 of 62743
2/7/10 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

What is it when you make a suggestion and then conveniently ignore that by saying the OP did mention it in subsequent posts? Why not start your own thread titled "Whatever your complaint, I'm going to recommend the manual EQ"?

Snarky, as far as I'm concerned is continually using bold text as if that makes your point any more valid.

Lame, just lame...

At least I had a recommendation to help compddd improve the sound he is dissatisfied with.

If you've got anything to offer, other than a criticism of my reply, now would be a good time to bring it.
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post #23655 of 62743
2/7/10 at 10:14am
Look up.
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post #23656 of 62743
2/7/10 at 10:20am
Yeah, we posted at the same time.
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post #23657 of 62743
2/7/10 at 10:23am
Hopefully compddd comes back. The odds are hugely in favor of us finding something that will get him/her back on track.
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post #23658 of 62743
2/7/10 at 11:34am
I have a question regarding Audyssey and a non-powered sub.

I'm helping a friend configure his new Denon AVR 1910 with his current home theater setup. The fronts and rears are in-wall speakers and the sub is a non-powered sub.

Sub Specs
Synergy Home Theater - Model 78
Frequency Response: 30-200
Crossover: 200
Impedence: 5-8 ohms
RMS: 200 watts
Drivers: 10"

The sub takes inputs from the five main channels on the amp (L,C,R,LR,RR) and then passes the output to each speaker.

How do I properly configure Audyssey for this type of setup? Do I tell Audyssey that there is a sub even though it is not getting the signal from the sub out on the receiver? do i tell Audyssey that the mains are large and the surrounds are small?

any help is appreciated! (I know this isn't an ideal setup, but I don't anticipate him wanting to invest in any new hardware.)
LL
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post #23659 of 62743
2/7/10 at 12:03pm
That's a tough one. I don't see any way of getting around it; you (he) will have a 5.0 system with five full range speakers. Hopefully, after Audyssey setup, the speakers will be configured that way. I think it will because Audyssey will not "see" a sub when it boinks the sub channel.

Try running Audyssey setup with just one measurement and report back with your results.

edit: have a link to the manufacturer's webpage for the sub?
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post #23660 of 62743
2/7/10 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by wakeet View Post

I have a question regarding Audyssey and a non-powered sub.

I'm helping a friend configure his new Denon AVR 1910 with his current home theater setup. The fronts and rears are in-wall speakers and the sub is a non-powered sub.

Sub Specs
Synergy Home Theater - Model 78
Frequency Response: 30-200
Crossover: 200
Impedence: 5-8 ohms
RMS: 200 watts
Drivers: 10"

The sub takes inputs from the five main channels on the amp (L,C,R,LR,RR) and then passes the output to each speaker.

How do I properly configure Audyssey for this type of setup? Do I tell Audyssey that there is a sub even though it is not getting the signal from the sub out on the receiver? do i tell Audyssey that the mains are large and the surrounds are small?

any help is appreciated! (I know this isn't an ideal setup, but I don't anticipate him wanting to invest in any new hardware.)

I see six pair of terminals. Are you sure it doesn't use the front three speakers ... ?

rolling edit ... yes, it is only the front three speakers that connect

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post #23661 of 62743
2/7/10 at 12:22pm
Yes, you are correct...it only uses the front three speakers. Does that change anything?

getting ready to run the setup again...
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post #23662 of 62743
2/7/10 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by wakeet View Post

Yes, you are correct...it only uses the front three speakers. Does that change anything?

getting ready to run the setup again...

What you should end up with is "no sub" system with three full range (LCR) and two surrounds with crossovers set. Good luck; it is very non-standard for home theater.

Do a down-and-dirty one measurement setup and check the speaker settings.
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post #23663 of 62743
2/7/10 at 12:39pm
wakeet,

Your friend should seriously consider getting a separate 200W amp for the subwoofer. Although the 1910 has a respectable 5A power supply, clipping when trying to drive the subwoofer could damage the L/C/R speakers.
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post #23664 of 62743
2/7/10 at 12:52pm
OK, here's what i got taking a one measurement setup:

Speaker Config
Front: Large
Center: Small
Sub: No
Surround: Small
Surr Back: None

Crossover
Front: Full
Center: 40 hz
Surround: 60 hz

Distance
Front L: 16ft
Front R: 18.7 ft
Center: 14.1 ft
SR: 10.0 ft
SL: 8.3 ft

Level
Front L: +6
Front R: +5
Center: +5
SR: +4
SL: +3.5

Any advice or should I proceed with the multi measurments?

thanks again!
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post #23665 of 62743
2/7/10 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

wakeet,

Your friend should seriously consider getting a separate 200W amp for the subwoofer. Although the 1910 has a respectable 5A power supply, clipping when trying to drive the subwoofer could damage the L/C/R speakers.

My guess is that there are crossovers on the spkr level inputs that would make life difficult if he were to try that. I'm thinking more like eBay for the sub....

Jeff
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post #23666 of 62743
2/7/10 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by wakeet View Post

OK, here's what i got taking a one measurement setup:

Speaker Config
Front: Large
Center: Small
Sub: No
Surround: Small
Surr Back: None

Crossover
Front: Full
Center: 40 hz
Surround: 60 hz

Distance
Front L: 16ft
Front R: 18.7 ft
Center: 14.1 ft
SR: 10.0 ft
SL: 8.3 ft

Level
Front L: +6
Front R: +5
Center: +5
SR: +4
SL: +3.5

Any advice or should I proceed with the multi measurments?

thanks again!

Any idea what the sub is capable of? The surround at 60Hz could probably be raised. Leave the center at 40hz as that is darn near Full anyway.

Try listening to some movie and music content.
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post #23667 of 62743
2/7/10 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Any idea what the sub is capable of?

Unfortunately, the only info i can find on the sub is written on the side of it:

Sub Specs
Synergy Home Theater - Model 78
Frequency Response: 30-200
Crossover: 200
Impedence: 5-8 ohms
RMS: 200 watts
Drivers: 10"

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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

The surround at 60Hz could probably be raised. Leave the center at 40hz as that is darn near Full anyway.

Forgive the stupid question...but when you say "raised", could you suggest a frequency? (i'm pretty new to this)
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post #23668 of 62743
2/7/10 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by toobwacky View Post

Lame, just lame...

At least I had a recommendation to help compddd improve the sound he is dissatisfied with.

If you've got anything to offer, other than a criticism of my reply, now would be a good time to bring it.

Last time I posted here, this was the "Audyssey" thread, not the "How to adjust your manual 7-band equilizer by ear" thread. So if you have something to offer to the discussion of how to optimize Audyssey for the OP, I suggest you bring it. Otherwise, go post somewhere else.
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post #23669 of 62743
2/7/10 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by wakeet View Post

Unfortunately, the only info i can find on the sub is written on the side of it:

Sub Specs
Synergy Home Theater - Model 78
Frequency Response: 30-200
Crossover: 200
Impedence: 5-8 ohms
RMS: 200 watts
Drivers: 10"



Forgive the stupid question...but when you say "raised", could you suggest a frequency? (i'm pretty new to this)

yes, i would raise the crossover manually to 80Hz for the surrounds. all of the other results look ok. how does it ... sound?
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post #23670 of 62743
2/7/10 at 2:44pm
Just watched the opening scene of Iron Man on Blue Ray.

The explosions were boomy, and the bullets sounded like there were coming from all directions. it was a really cool effect!

I'm not sure if there was too much bass though. right now the sub is tucked away in a corner (about 6" from the walls) behind the tv.

Also, the center channel was weaker than i like. but that is probably because the speaker is undersized for the system.

do you have any suggestions on reducing the bass and increasing the center?

thanks again for your help!
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