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post #25621 of 62270
3/31/10 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by Floyd05 View Post

I know it is not the most optimal placement, especially the subwoofer, but that is the room I have to work with.

When the measurement mic is too far off-axis from a speaker - in this case, the center channel - MultEQ/MultEQ XT tries to boost the highs to compensate for the attenuated off-axis HF response. This could be the cause of the sharpness that you are hearing. The fix for this is to aim the center channel up directly at the ears of someone sitting in the main listening position. And that is where measurement position #1 should be when you redo Audyssey setup.

It might look odd to pull the CC forward and prop it up, but it is free.

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post #25622 of 62270
3/31/10 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Floyd05 View Post

if I move my head about 2 feet toward the center channel I can hear the center channel sound from it a little better but not much. It is more enveloping than at my main listening position.

By moving your head forward, you are moving your ears closer to the speaker's axis and to where the response is flatter. You are also getting more of the direct sound in relation to the reverberant sound of the room, but if that's why it sounds better then that points to room acoustics which would need some treatments to fix.

Try the CC speaker tilt first ... for free.

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post #25623 of 62270
3/31/10 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by jaandmel View Post

Just wondering which way to go for two subs and Audyssey. I have an Onkyo TX 1007 with two sub outputs. Should I hook each sub up individually to the AVR or should I hook them up to each other and have them share one Audyssey equalization curve? The subs each have their own outputs. I currently have them equally spaced from the main listening position, in the front two corners. Would co-locating them be better if they should be hooked up together? Thanks,

I have the Mythos ST's and a Submersive and I was recommended by someone to individually SPL tune them to 75db from the king seat and then get a Y adapter if you only have one input like I did and then run Audyssey and see how you like it. My two cents.
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post #25624 of 62270
3/31/10 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by jaandmel View Post

Just wondering which way to go for two subs and Audyssey. I have an Onkyo TX 1007 with two sub outputs. Should I hook each sub up individually to the AVR or should I hook them up to each other and have them share one Audyssey equalization curve? The subs each have their own outputs. I currently have them equally spaced from the main listening position, in the front two corners. Would co-locating them be better if they should be hooked up together? Thanks,

It appears from the Onkyo website and the 1007 owner's manual that both subs are treated independently, so you would want to hook them to the 1007.
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post #25625 of 62270
3/31/10 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

By moving your head forward, you are moving your ears closer to the speaker's axis and to where the response is flatter. You are also getting more of the direct sound in relation to the reverberant sound of the room, but if that's why it sounds better then that points to room acoustics which would need some treatments to fix.

Try the CC speaker tilt first ... for free.

Jeff

Thank you for all the help and suggestions. I will try this and let you know if it worked. Thanks again pepar.
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post #25626 of 62270
3/31/10 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by jaandmel View Post

Just wondering which way to go for two subs and Audyssey. I have an Onkyo TX 1007 with two sub outputs. Should I hook each sub up individually to the AVR or should I hook them up to each other and have them share one Audyssey equalization curve? The subs each have their own outputs. I currently have them equally spaced from the main listening position, in the front two corners. Would co-locating them be better if they should be hooked up together? Thanks,

You can hook them up to the two discrete outputs and "Audyssey" will correct them individually based on their interaction with the room. With them equidistant from the main listening position (read: not needing separate distance settings), you could hook them to ONE of the sub outs and "Audyssey" will correct them based on their interaction with the room AND EACH OTHER.

Try it both ways. My money is on the one output connection in this case.

Jeff
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post #25627 of 62270
3/31/10 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

You can hook them up to the two discrete outputs and "Audyssey" will correct them individually based on their interaction with the room. With them equidistant from the main listening position (read: not needing separate distance settings), you could hook them to ONE of the sub outs and "Audyssey" will correct them based on their interaction with the room AND EACH OTHER.

Try it both ways. My money is on the one output connection in this case.

Jeff

Thanks pepar. Is that because they will share the same curve? I was thinking that would be the best reason to use one output from the AVR. From what I have read, the two sub outs from my AVR are not summed together.
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post #25628 of 62270
3/31/10 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by jaandmel View Post

Thanks pepar. Is that because they will share the same curve? I was thinking that would be the best reason to use one output from the AVR. From what I have read, the two sub outs from my AVR are not summed together.

The two outputs are discrete with respect to the distance settings that they will get, but they do get the exact same signal (before equalization/correction). So from that standpoint they are "summed," i.e. they are not stereo. Audyssey's correction filters will be per sub based on each sub's individual response in the room. Using one output, Audyssey's correction will be based on the two subs' combined response in the room.

Try it both ways.

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post #25629 of 62270
3/31/10 at 1:52pm
I just ordered a set of paradigm 100's with the sub 15.I was going to buy the PBK-1 (perfect bass kit) to EQ the sub unitl someone mentioned to check into the Audyssey sub EQ.
I have an Integra with the Audyssey MULTEQ PRO,which I intend on hiring an Audyssey professional come in and calibrate room and speakers once I have them setup.

my questions are,should I buy the product made by Paradigm or should I invest in the Audyssey Sub EQ?can someone tell me the advantages one might have over the other?if I'm going to hire the professional to come in and calibrate everything do I even need a sub eq of any sort?
and what's an about $$ on the Audyssey Sub EQ?

I Know this is the Audyssey thread,so I would imagine it to be a little biased,and that's expected,but I wasnt sure where else to post this question!

just hoping a few of you guys can shed some light on the matter for me?

thanks

Zane
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post #25630 of 62270
3/31/10 at 2:39pm
Zane, this is Just my own opinion: Question - is the installer going to just calibrate the Integra with the native Multi Pro or are you having Pro done? For the installer to do Pro, it will cost you about 500. If you get the Installer Kit yourself and with the Pro license (key to unlock the Pro software), the cost is 550 for the Installer Kit, and 150 for the Pro license for a total of 700. That is 200 more then if the installer did it. At least with the kit in hand, you can redo the pro anytime that you want without having to hire an installer all over again. The Audyssey Sub EQ costs 799 plus shipping. You can calibrate the Sub EQ with the plain mic that comes with the Integra (Audyssey mic), but you are better off using using the mic that comes with the installer kit as it is much more sensitive to sound (parabelic microphone). So you can see that having a Installer Kit is worth it from the calibration standpoint of having the good mic for calibration of your Integra and the Sub EQ. I have this complete setup and it is worth the $$$ for excellent HT audio.

Bill
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post #25631 of 62270
3/31/10 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

is the installer going to just calibrate the Integra with the native Multi Pro

There is no native Pro. He might have meant "Pro-ready."

One must use MultEQ Pro and the Pro mic to calibrate the Subwoofer Equalizer. No other mic will work.

SVS sells the consumer version of Audyssey's Subwoofer Equalizer, the AS-EQ1, and that uses a mic that might be similar to the one with the Integra. But one should always use the specific mic that comes with the unit even if they look the same.
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post #25632 of 62270
3/31/10 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Zane, this is Just my own opinion: Question - is the installer going to just calibrate the Integra with the native Multi Pro or are you having Pro done? For the installer to do Pro, it will cost you about 500. If you get the Installer Kit yourself and with the Pro license (key to unlock the Pro software), the cost is 550 for the Installer Kit, and 150 for the Pro license for a total of 700. That is 200 more then if the installer did it. At least with the kit in hand, you can redo the pro anytime that you want without having to hire an installer all over again. The Audyssey Sub EQ costs 799 plus shipping. You can calibrate the Sub EQ with the plain mic that comes with the Integra (Audyssey mic), but you are better off using using the mic that comes with the installer kit as it is much more sensitive to sound (parabelic microphone). So you can see that having a Installer Kit is worth it from the calibration standpoint of having the good mic for calibration of your Integra and the Sub EQ. I have this complete setup and it is worth the $$$ for excellent HT audio.

Bill

Hi Bill,
If I understand you correctly,I have an installer coming in and doing pro.He quoted me $125 and hour.at least that's what I thought was being done.he said he had purchased the most recent equipment to do so.I found him on Audyssey's website.he's within and hour of my house.he's also the one I ended up buying my speakers with if that made a difference in the price he quoted me, I'm not sure.

now if I'm misunderstanding the difference in native Multi pro or having pro installer done please correct me!!

if I am understanding your correctly, I will agree that it would be feasible to purchase the pro kit and the license to do this anytime deemed necessary. I may change something in the room which is very possible beings its not a dedicated room!

after just purchasing 8 new speakers I'm not sure if the Sub EQ is in the budget for now.but your saying its definitly worth getting the Sub EQ, along with the pro kit and license?

Thanks

Zane
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post #25633 of 62270
3/31/10 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by zwalls View Post

Hi Bill,
If I understand you correctly,I have an installer coming in and doing pro.He quoted me $125 and hour.at least that's what I thought was being done.he said he had purchased the most recent equipment to do so.I found him on Audyssey's website.he's within and hour of my house.he's also the one I ended up buying my speakers with if that made a difference in the price he quoted me, I'm not sure.

now if I'm misunderstanding the difference in native Multi pro or having pro installer done please correct me!!

if I am understanding your correctly, I will agree that it would be feasible to purchase the pro kit and the license to do this anytime deemed necessary. I may change something in the room which is very possible beings its not a dedicated room!

after just purchasing 8 new speakers I'm not sure if the Sub EQ is in the budget for now.but your saying its definitly worth getting the Sub EQ, along with the pro kit and license?

Thanks

Zane

You should set a total price for the job being done and not by the hour. If your setup is anything like mine, were talking about hundreds of hours of tweaking over the year and its still not just right Audyssey you gotta love it.
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post #25634 of 62270
3/31/10 at 3:44pm
Zane, if a pro installer does it and you change anything, the installer would probably need to come back and redo it. But then if a pro installer did it, when he was done it would be done correctly.

You could ask him and he might sell you a kit. The license would be bought directly from Audyssey.
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post #25635 of 62270
3/31/10 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by zwalls View Post

Hi Bill,
If I understand you correctly,I have an installer coming in and doing pro.He quoted me $125 and hour.at least that's what I thought was being done.he said he had purchased the most recent equipment to do so.I found him on Audyssey's website.he's within and hour of my house.he's also the one I ended up buying my speakers with if that made a difference in the price he quoted me, I'm not sure.

now if I'm misunderstanding the difference in native Multi pro or having pro installer done please correct me!!

if I am understanding your correctly, I will agree that it would be feasible to purchase the pro kit and the license to do this anytime deemed necessary. I may change something in the room which is very possible beings its not a dedicated room!

after just purchasing 8 new speakers I'm not sure if the Sub EQ is in the budget for now.but your saying its definitly worth getting the Sub EQ, along with the pro kit and license?

Thanks

Zane

If the installer is coming to just calibrate your Integra with the Audyssey Multi that is in the Integra for $125 per hour? OR, are you having him calibrate Audyssey "Pro" for the Integra? If he is coming to simply setup your Integra, don't waste your money. Have the "Pro" installed for a cost of $500. That would be $150 for the key (to unlock the software) and then to setup and calibrate "Pro" with the Integra. Yes, if you move anything or change speakers he will have to come back. That is why some of us buy the Pro Intaller Kit and we can do it all ourselves without an installer. Prepar has it right, ask if you can get the kit through the installer? If not, go to Audyssey.com and ask.

Bill
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post #25636 of 62270
3/31/10 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by googlegod View Post

You should set a total price for the job being done and not by the hour. If your setup is anything like mine, were taking about hundreds of hours of tweaking over the year and its still not just right Audyssey you gotta love it.

I definitly dont want to be dooling with this for a yr!!

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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Zane, if a pro installer does it and you change anything, the installer would probably need to come back and redo it. But then if a pro installer did it, when he was done it would be done correctly.

You could ask him and he might sell you a kit. The license would be bought directly from Audyssey.

I did talk to him since the my last post.he is a pro installer,with the latest equipment,pro mic,license to unlock etc.he assured me it was going to be done right.he wants to give the speakers about 50 to 100 hrs to breakin some before he would come!
I will ask if he can sell me a kit and buy the license from audyssey.it's my living room for now who knows when the wife may want to rearrange or buy new furniture
heck I'm trying to get her to buy 2 theater chairs now

thanks for the help!!

Zane
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post #25637 of 62270
3/31/10 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

If the installer is coming to just calibrate your Integra with the Audyssey Multi that is in the Integra for $125 per hour? OR, are youi having him calibrate Audyssey "Pro" for the Integra? If he is coming to simply setup your Integra, don't wste your money. Have the "Pro" installed for a cost of $500. That would be $150 for the key (to unlock the software) and then to setup and calibrate "Pro" with the Integra. Yes, if you move anything or change speakers he will have to come back. That is why some of us buy the Pro Intaller Kit and we can do it all ourselves without an installer.

Bill

I did confirm with him since my earlier post that he's going to calibrate Audyssey pro.I think I'm a little confused here.excuse my ingnorance!
not sure if that means Audyssey pro for the Integra or if he's intalling pro.he's been telling me about the pro mic he uses and all the different measurments that he'll be taking to calibrate everything and the license he has to unlock it!

what exactly is installing pro

even though I may be a little confused as to exactly is going on,I think you have convinced me to intall pro for $500 and buy the license too so I can do it anytime I need too!!I know something will change in the future.it always does
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post #25638 of 62270
3/31/10 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by zwalls View Post

I definitly dont want to be dooling with this for a yr! Zane

Z, please ignore all googlegod posts. He is apparently intent on getting thrown off the Denon and Audyssey threads with his provocative, misinformative responses to newbies.
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post #25639 of 62270
3/31/10 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by zwalls View Post

he assured me it was going to be done right

We have no doubt about that.
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post #25640 of 62270
3/31/10 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by zwalls View Post

I did confirm with him since my earlier post that he's going to calibrate Audyssey pro.I think I'm a little confused here.excuse my ingnorance!
not sure if that means Audyssey pro for the Integra or if he's intalling pro.he's been telling me about the pro mic he uses and all the different measurments that he'll be taking to calibrate everything and the license he has to unlock it!

what exactly is installing pro

even though I may be a little confused as to exactly is going on,I think you have convinced me to intall pro for $500 and buy the license too so I can do it anytime I need too!!I know something will change in the future.it always does

"Pro" is really the software that he has on his laptop and a mic (& stand, cables, adapters, etc). He will hook up his mic to your Integra and his laptop to your Integra and take a bunch of measurements after which the software will generate the correction filters. Then he will upload those filters to your Integra and, I'd guess, let you hear it. When he is done, he will disconnect his stuff from yours and leave. He takes with him what he brought and your Integra stores and uses the filters he loaded. Badda boom, badda bing.
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3/31/10 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Z, please ignore all googlegod posts. He is apparently intent on getting thrown off the Denon and Audyssey threads with his provocative, misinformative responses to newbies.

thanks for the info.I've run across him before
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

"Pro" is really the software that he has on his laptop and a mic (& stand, cables, adapters, etc). He will hook up his mic to your Integra and his laptop to your Integra and take a bunch of measurements after which the software will generate the correction filters. Then he will upload those filters to your Integra and, I'd guess, let you hear it. When he is done, he will disconnect his stuff from yours and leave. He takes with him what he brought and your Integra stores and uses the filters he loaded. Badda boom, badda bing.

lol
now I think I understand.so If I buy the pro kit and the license that would give me the pro mic,software,stand,cables,adaptors,etc., and If I made any changes in my room then I would be able to reconnect "my" equipment and recalibrate everything again and diconnect my stuff and stay at home with it.and my integra stores and uses the filters the I loaded.right?

Badda boom ,badda bing!!

thanks
Zane
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3/31/10 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by zwalls View Post

I did talk to him since the my last post.he is a pro installer,with the latest equipment,pro mic,license to unlock etc.he assured me it was going to be done right

To get the license, he needs to have the MAC address of your component and pay up front for it.
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3/31/10 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

To get the license, he needs to have the MAC address of your component and pay up front for it.

I think I'm confused again.....lol

let me take a stab at this.so the pro intaller has to buy a license for every unit he calibrates?he doesnt have a single lincense to unlock any unit he calibrates.

so If i bought the pro kit and the licnese,the license I purchase would only be to unlock my Integra?

I'm trying!!
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3/31/10 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

"Pro" is really the software that he has on his laptop and a mic (& stand, cables, adapters, etc). He will hook up his mic to your Integra and his laptop to your Integra and take a bunch of measurements after which the software will generate the correction filters. Then he will upload those filters to your Integra and, I'd guess, let you hear it. When he is done, he will disconnect his stuff from yours and leave. He takes with him what he brought and your Integra stores and uses the filters he loaded. Badda boom, badda bing.

prepar is correct on what will take place but I think that $125 per hour is rather high for a installer to come and do your system. He is not telling you what the average install time is. I don't know what others think but in my area the normal charge is 70 to 90 per hour.

Bill
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3/31/10 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by zwalls View Post

I think I'm confused again.....lol

let me take a stab at this.so the pro intaller has to buy a license for every unit he calibrates?he doesnt have a single lincense to unlock any unit he calibrates.

so If i bought the pro kit and the licnese,the license I purchase would only be to unlock my Integra?

I'm trying!!

Yes, the key (license) only unlocks your Integra. The key will time out in 30 days on the Audyessy site but don't worry about that. You only pay once for a license and you can renew the key at Audyssey when you need to redo your system. A key is not needed for the Audyssey Sub EQ so there is no license cost there. If you do it yourself and once you go through it all, you will see that it really is not that complicated. It can be fun!

Bill
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3/31/10 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by zwalls View Post

I think I'm confused again.....lol

let me take a stab at this.so the pro intaller has to buy a license for every unit he calibrates?

Yes.

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he doesnt have a single lincense to unlock any unit he calibrates.

No such universal license exists, afaik.

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so If i bought the pro kit and the licnese,the license I purchase would only be to unlock my Integra?

Yes. Just like the one license I have for mine.
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3/31/10 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by zwalls View Post

If I buy the pro kit and the license that would give me the pro mic,software,stand,cables,adaptors,etc., and If I made any changes in my room then I would be able to reconnect "my" equipment and recalibrate everything again and diconnect my stuff and stay at home with it.and my integra stores and uses the filters the I loaded.right?

Badda boom ,badda bing!!

Affirmative.
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3/31/10 at 8:11pm
MSRP for the Pro kit is $550. He purchases the kit from Audyssey for cheaper than that. If he won't sell it to you for $550 some other installer (or Audyssey directly) will.

License keys are purchased from Audyssey directly for $150. There is no MSRP on a key. Some installers charge more for the key to make the rest of the bill (i.e. labor) look cheaper.

Therefore, you should be able to purchase the Pro kit (which includes the Pro mic, Audyssey MultEQ Pro software, stand, preamp, cables, etc.) and license key for YOUR Integra for a total of $700 (plus shipping).

Calibrating your Integra with Audyssey Pro is fun and rather easy. Just read the manual. And then read it again. Don't hesitate to even read it a third time. All BEFORE you start. The manual is small and straight to the point. Some folks just get ahead of themselves. Just like with any other new technology.

At some point, you may even want to purchase the Audyssey Sub Equalizer, which requires the Pro kit. It's MSRP is $799 (plus shipping).

I have a Denon 3808 and an Audyssey Sub Equalizer. Both were calibrated with Audyssey Pro by me (several times ).

The bottom lines is this. If you feel comfortable doing all this yourself, buy the Pro kit and do the calibration yourself. If you don't feel comfortable, have the installer come out and do it for a little less $. You could always purchase the Pro kit later on (after you watch the installer do his magic ).

Shoot, you could even purchase the Pro kit and key, then pay the installer to come out and perform the first calibration for you!!!
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3/31/10 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

prepar is correct on what will take place but I think that $125 per hour is rather high for a installer to come and do your system. He is not telling you what the average install time is. I don't know what others think but in my area the normal charge is 70 to 90 per hour.

Bill

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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Yes, the key (license) only unlocks your Integra. The key will time out in 30 days on the Audyessy site but don't worry about that. You only pay once for a license and you can renew the key at Audyssey when you need to redo your system. A key is not needed for the Audyssey Sub EQ so there is no license cost there. If you do it yourself and once you go through it all, you will see that it really is not that complicated. It can be fun!

Bill

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Yes.

No such universal license exists, afaik.

Yes. Just like the one license I have for mine.

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Affirmative.

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MSRP for the Pro kit is $550. He purchases the kit from Audyssey for cheaper than that. If he won't sell it to you for $550 some other installer (or Audyssey directly) will.

License keys are purchased from Audyssey directly for $150. There is no MSRP on a key. Some installers charge more for the key to make the rest of the bill (i.e. labor) look cheaper.

Therefore, you should be able to purchase the Pro kit (which includes the Pro mic, Audyssey MultEQ Pro software, stand, preamp, cables, etc.) and license key for YOUR Integra for a total of $700 (plus shipping).

Calibrating your Integra with Audyssey Pro is fun and rather easy. Just read the manual. And then read it again. Don't hesitate to even read it a third time. All BEFORE you start. The manual is small and straight to the point. Some folks just get ahead of themselves. Just like with any other new technology.

At some point, you may even want to purchase the Audyssey Sub Equalizer, which requires the Pro kit. It's MSRP is $799 (plus shipping).

I have a Denon 3808 and an Audyssey Sub Equalizer. Both were calibrated with Audyssey Pro by me (several times ).

The bottom lines is this. If you feel comfortable doing all this yourself, buy the Pro kit and do the calibration yourself. If you don't feel comfortable, have the installer come out and do it for a little less $. You could always purchase the Pro kit later on (after you watch the installer do his magic ).

Shoot, you could even purchase the Pro kit and key, then pay the installer to come out and perform the first calibration for you!!!

guys,
I want to thank all of you for taking the time to put up with my lack of knowledge of electronics.I do know I've always enjoyed great sound and great sounding speakers.I've just never had the opportunity to really learn much about it and I have the opportunity now!!

I appreciate all of the "GREAT" advice and patience to assist me in learning to do things the correct way!!

I am taking the advice from all of you and buying the kit and license.I'm sure I'd have fun learning to do this all myself!!

if I could I'd buy you all a steak dinner.but beings that not possible all I can offer is a "BIG THANKS"!!!!

Zane


edit: heck I came up with another question.so is this guy coming to my house going to charge me $125 and hr + the charge for the license?a little confused here again.....doh
he also mentioned it should only take him 45 to 50 minutes to do!!
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3/31/10 at 8:39pm
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edit: heck I came up with another question.so is this guy coming to my house going to charge me $125 and hr + the charge for the license?a little confused here again.....doh
he also mentioned it should only take him 45 to 50 minutes to do!!

Do you normally buy things without knowing what you are getting or what it will cost? I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
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