"Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #1) - Page 1109

1. Yes, the 4311 can do 11.2 channels. I'm actually running 11.4 on a 4311 right now.

2. The 4311 has only 9 power amps so if you want 11 channels, you need an external amp.

3. The 4311 has a "prepro" mode whereby the power amps are completely shut down and in which case you use only external amps. I'm headed there.

Mark

[*53xxCI & 48xxCI AVRs: Do not expect new model 53xxCI & 48xxCI AVRs in the future. Just as Pioneer Elite & Yamaha have not replaced their flagships, Denon has decided that the market & technology change too quickly for a high dollar flagship AVR that is released only every few years to remain viable. So, the 43xxCI -- and there will be a 4312CI next year -- is apt to be the top of the line going forward.

*A1HDCI(A) & 5308CI(A): Though he did not mention any specifics, Jeff made it sound as if the A1HDCI(A) flagship pre/pro & 5308CI(A) flagship AVR will be offered a hardware upgrade, potentially because there will be no flagship follow up models.]

Awesome!!!!

That's the best I could hope for and why I haven't upgraded my 5805CI yet. If there is an upgrade to the 5308CI that gives us all the new Audyssey stuff and/or if the same upgrade comes out with the AVPxxxx (Along with a lower price) then that's what I'll do for sure.

Again, I just hate knowing that to stick with Denon and have ALL of the latest greatest Audyssey technology I have to go 3 models down from the top end/flagship and "give & take" (or pick & choose) which features I get as I would benefit from some of the things the pre-pro has and the 5308CI(A) currently has but would also benefit from the Audyssey implementation in the 4311 and simply want the best of BOTH.

Sounds like a plan! Thanks so much for this invaluable (Well, extremely valuable ) info!

--J

That is a certainty. The AS-EQ1 has the same filter resolution for the subs as XT32/SubEQ HT.

I used to have an AS-EQ1/Denon 4810 but I've sold both and I now have a Denon 4311, which is even better.

Mark

I would not hold my breath. And then who knows what it will cost?

On a somewhat related issue, I bet Integra has been eating Denon's lunch. The A1HDCI is absurdly priced.

Jeff

How would the filter resolution of the sub with the SVS AS-EQ1 further refined by XT compare to filter resolution of the sub in XT32?

Seems like the Onk 3008 is the best deal for getting XT32, correct?

The AS-EQ1 gives you the same filter resolution as XT32. I guess I confused things with my previous answer about XT32--I was referring to XT32 in the satellites.. I will go back and edit that answer.

Ok but still - what is the effect in the sub of running XT after the AS-EQ1?

Chris,

Is the most recent firmware upgrade for the AS-EQ1/Subwoofer Equalizer the the same technology that XT32 is based on?

Jeff

No. The resolution is the same, but in the Sub EQ/AS-EQ1 we didn't have processing constraints (no sharing with others) so the method is more brute-force. XT32 was developed later.

Running XT in the AVR after the AS-EQ1 has been calibrated won't have any effect on the response since the filters have already "captured" the highest resolution they can.

Is there more resolution that could be squeezed out of the Sub EQ, or are the filters as fine as they need to be?

Jeff

Chris,

So might there be an upgrade to the Sound EQ to have the same resolution of XT32 so we don't have such a limited number of pre-pro's/avr's we can buy? The pre-pro that meets all my other criteria only has XT so for me purchasing the Sound EQ separately if it would net the same results as having a pre-pro with XT32 would be most beneficial.

If it wouldn't require new hardware I would assume it would be beneficial to you as a company, too.

If it would require a hardware upgrade or total redesign (To have a Combined Sound EQ XT32/Sub EQ) do you feel it would be a profitable venture? (Supply/Demand?)

Is anything in the works?

--J

I believe preamp mode just removes input signal from the amps.

When I put mine in preamp mode there was no reduction in power consumption (90-something W according to my Killowatt meter).

There are no MultEQ XT32 upgrades planned for the Sound EQ.

The filter rez is already at the hearing resolution limit in that frequency range.

Then, and I mean this as an absolute compliment to you and Audyssey, since the implementation of Audyssey in my current system and with the easily audible benefits even from the most casual of listeners in my HT, I would never again be comfortable or happy listening without it.

So without even hearing how much better MultEQ XT32 is, there is no doubt in my mind that there is no upgrade worth considering that doesn't include this technology!

Unfortunately for me, that narrows it down (According to your product page listings for pre-pros/avr's with MultEQ XT32 and Pro) to LITERALLY the ONLY 2 AVR's that offer both XT32 and Pro Calibrations, the Integra 80.2 or the Denon 4311.

Let's just hope that more manufacturers (and existing manufacturer's add more models or upgrade current ones) include MultEQ XT32.... and SOON!

For now, looks like the Integra 80.2 for me though

--J

PS Who knows... Maybe you'll change your mind and upgrade the Sound EQ to the XT32 resolution some day (Fingers crossed)

Thanks for the info.

Mark

Hi Folks,

I just upgraded to the Integra DHC 80.2 from the DHC 9.9 and am using 3.4 software with the pro kit and the latest firmware on the Integra. This combination is as buggy and slow as hell. I didn't think it was possible to be slower than the MultEQ Pro software on the 9.9 but the software over the network (since serial doesn't work any more) with the 80.2 pre-amp is just ridiculous.

I reckon it takes 30 minutes to transfer one measurement position - about the same amount of time I can copy a blu-ray disc image over the same network. It also takes about 5 minutes between measuring the centre and right channels.

I've tried different PCs for the same result - both wired and wireless.

Is there some specific setting I'm missing?

Yes.


Exactly my own thoughts. I have a 5007/Emotiva XPA-3 combination and I am very happy with it and have no intention of changing the 5007 for a good while yet. The AS-EQ1 is my 'interim step' and as the bass is the area that troubles my room the most, I have high expectations of it when it arrives.


Again, I agree entirely. If it is possible to incorporate the latest technology in the standalone Audyssey products, I think they ought to - I’d be more than happy to pay extra for the new software/firmware. It seems unfortunate to me to have to swap a perfectly fine AVR like the 5007 in order to get the latest Audyssey benefits when one has also purchased a separate standalone unit with Audyssey technology in it. Of course, it may not be possible to upgrade due to hardware limitations - I have no idea.

Audyssey seem like a very customer-focused company so I am sure they are listening!

Kind Regards,

Keith

I think I found the issue. If you have a wired connection and a wireless connection enabled, manually disable the wireless connection. It seems to be working a bit better now since I did that so fingers crossed.

The few posts I've seen report that XT32 and Pro across a network is a bit quicker than an XT cal over serial. And that's (usually) with more channels with DSX.

Jeff

From what I have seen offered of late, yes the 3008 would be the best deal out there to get XT32... if I didn't recently purchase a 3007 (June), the 3008 would be at the top of my list!

Hi,
I have run XT32 on the Integra 80.2, and I must say my theater has never sounded better. I run 2 dual sealed 18" subs, with 2 EP2500 amps. I use JTR speakers. When I ran Audyssey, and adjusted the subs to 75 db, I only have to barley move the the amp gain from 0 ( I think on notch 16, or just below that) on the EP2500's.
Audyssey sets my trims for my main speakers between -7 and -9, and the subs at -9 and -13 (I think it goes to -15, so I should be good).
With XT32 Pro, would I be able to boost the lower end of the sub when it starts to roll off? If I boosted the lower end, would that take away power from the rest of the curve? How much amp headroom do you think I have, and would it even work? How could I boost the lower end and turn up the sub gain and keep Audyssey working correctly?

Thanks!

Al, the 3008 and 5008 doesn't have Audyssey Pro calibration support though, right?

I'm confused as to which models, if any, Onkyo Avr's/Pre-Pro's allow this because on the Audyssey site, only the Denon 4311 and Integra 80.2 and 70.2 are "Installer Ready" yet someone on this thread stated that one of the Onkyo's WERE Pro capable?

Is the Audyssey site simply not up to date (and if so can someone tell me if ANY other Pre-Pro/AVR is capable of Pro capability AND MultEQ XT32??) please let me know.

Thanks,

--J

Mark -

You may have 4 subwoofers (or more) but I doubt you are running "x.4".
The 4311 doesn't have 4 separate subwoofer controls -- or any AVR (that I am aware of).
I know it seems like semantics, but I think in a forum like this we should be accurate and if people don't understand what the x.# means, to educate them.

If I'm wrong, then I'll take some education...

Mike

Hi,

Please refer to posting #33179.

I would assume the Audyssey website is not up to date if a forum member has reported completing an Audyssey Pro calibration on the Onkyo PR-SC5508. The same is true of the Integra DHC-80.2 where several forum members have reported doing Audyssey Pro calibrations.

Larry

I Have 4311Ci, and was thinking of later going Pro, do I need any hardware besides the Kit/software right ?

Thanks

Djoel

Hi Larry,

Thanks! I read that post again and it does specify the European version, though.

I went to the Onkyo site and the Onkyo Pro site and notice that the 5508 has XT32 (But doesn't say anything about Pro) and on the Onkyo Pro site it says there is a 5508P "shipping soon" but doesn't clearly state the differences in the "P" designation nor can I find the differences in the EU/USA version?? (The only thing I can see for sure on the "P" designation that will supposedly ship soon are the rack mount ears.)

I did see the Audyssey bug was fixed on the Integra 80.2 and was just about to pull the trigger on it then a user in this forum posted yesterday (I believe) it was real buggy in other areas and am up to page 22 of 33 on the Official 80.2 thread, so...... A lot of research is going on now, and I'm about to pull my hair out trying to figure out what to do, lol. (What's left of it )

May I ask what you use and if you have XT32/Pro??

--J

PS Looked at your HT page and am impressed!! (Just curious if your equipment list [specifically pre-pro] is up to date and which pre-pro is currently working/you're currently using )

Just the Audyssey Pro kit and included software. You'll need a license for your 4311CI too and is available directly from Audyssey for $150.

You're all set!! Post some before and after graphs for us though

--J