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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Just for yuks, disconnect the recently added speaks and see if it calibrates properly. You don't need to complete the setup, just see if it gets past the spot where it is stopping now.

Still one it says it's still measuring and the left front speaker is highlighted in blue
post #34502 of 62228
And it's not moving to the other channels either
post #34503 of 62228
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Originally Posted by skoobydoo View Post

I will ask again. Does anybody know or have a chart or graph showing the frequency corrections of the two Audyssey microphones?

When Jeff wrote that what you are looking for doesn't exist, I'm sure he was thinking back to Chris's comments that the mic calibration curves are proprietary and are not made available:

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Originally Posted by audyssey View Post

We actually do consider this to be proprietary. It's not as simple as having a "good reference mic". It has to be the right type and the measurement method is extremely tricky to get it right, particularly at high frequencies.
post #34504 of 62228
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Originally Posted by Bill Mitchell View Post

When Jeff wrote that what you are looking for doesn't exist, I'm sure he was thinking back to Chris's comments that the mic calibration curves are proprietary and are not made available:

I was thinking beyond that, Bill. There'd be nothing he could do with the cal file even if he had it. The cal file doesn't say jack about the "frequency corrections" made by Audyssey.

Jeff
post #34505 of 62228
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Originally Posted by Hayb2006 View Post

Still one it says it's still measuring and the left front speaker is highlighted in blue

So it is unrelated to the new speakers you added?
post #34506 of 62228
I have an Onkyo tx-sr707 with Audyssey enabled. If I want to try my setup with a phantom center instead of the actual center which was calibrated, should I run Audyssey again after setting the center to none? Thanks!
post #34507 of 62228
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Originally Posted by Hayb2006 View Post

And it's not moving to the other channels either

For some reason you might have encountered a glitch during your attempt at calibration and locked up the calibration.

If all your speaker cables are properly hooked up and there are no shorted wires, etc., then your AVR might need a reset.

First try a "soft" reset. Disconnect the AVR from its power source. Don't just turn it off. Unplug it or turn off whaterver it's plugged into. Wait a minute or two, then restore the power and try Audyssey again. This proccedure might do it for you.

If that doesn't do the trick you should try a full ("hard") reset. I'm not familiar with the exact proceedure to use on your particular model, but you can find out through Onkyo product support (800-229-1687).
As an example, with my AVR you would:
1) Turn the receiver on.
2) Press and hold the VCR/DVR button on the front panel of the receiver (not the remote) and while holding that button down press the STANDBY/ON button on the front panel.
3) The word "Clear" will come up in the display screen and the receiver will then go into the standby mode. All of your custom settings will be lost, it will revert to the factory default settings as if it just came out of the box.
4) Once it goes into the standby mode you can turn it back on and proceed to go through all of your stettings in the setup menu, including the Audyssey calibration.

Time consuming, but far better than having to box it up and return it to a factory service center. It's worth a try if all else fails.

Cheers,
SB
post #34508 of 62228
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

There'd be nothing he could do with the cal file even if he had it.

If one could get the cal file for the Pro mike, it could be used w/3rd party measurement s/w.

It's a shame to have to buy another calibrated mike instead.
post #34509 of 62228
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

If one could get the cal file for the Pro mike, it could be used w/3rd party measurement s/w.

It's a shame to have to buy another calibrated mike instead.

I sent my Pro mic to a company and had them generate a cal file. I get no different results with it than with the other calibrated mic I own. It was probably a waste of money.

But that wasn't what he wanted it for. He thought by looking at the cal file that he could, oh he11 I don't even know anymore what he ...
post #34510 of 62228
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Originally Posted by scionfriar View Post

I have an Onkyo tx-sr707 with Audyssey enabled. If I want to try my setup with a phantom center instead of the actual center which was calibrated, should I run Audyssey again after setting the center to none? Thanks!

I suppose that you could simply disconnect the center speaker, but you would need to "tell" the receiver/processor that you didn't have a center channel speaker and that would make re-running Audyssey necessary.
post #34511 of 62228
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Originally Posted by scionfriar View Post

I have an Onkyo tx-sr707 with Audyssey enabled. If I want to try my setup with a phantom center instead of the actual center which was calibrated, should I run Audyssey again after setting the center to none? Thanks!

You can just turn down the center to where you can no longer hear it.
post #34512 of 62228
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Originally Posted by Bill Mitchell View Post

When Jeff wrote that what you are looking for doesn't exist, I'm sure he was thinking back to Chris's comments that the mic calibration curves are proprietary and are not made available:

Thanks Bill, I thought that might be the case.
post #34513 of 62228
Quote:
Originally Posted by scionfriar View Post

I have an Onkyo tx-sr707 with Audyssey enabled. If I want to try my setup with a phantom center instead of the actual center which was calibrated, should I run Audyssey again after setting the center to none? Thanks!

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Originally Posted by skoobydoo View Post

You can just turn down the center to where you can no longer hear it.

That is not going to work. The center channel information will be lost, not re-routed to the L&R.
post #34514 of 62228
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Originally Posted by SpotcheckBilly View Post

For some reason you might have encountered a glitch during your attempt at calibration and locked up the calibration.

If all your speaker cables are properly hooked up and there are no shorted wires, etc., then your AVR might need a reset.

First try a "soft" reset. Disconnect the AVR from its power source. Don't just turn it off. Unplug it or turn off whaterver it's plugged into. Wait a minute or two, then restore the power and try Audyssey again. This proccedure might do it for you.

If that doesn't do the trick you should try a full ("hard") reset. I'm not familiar with the exact proceedure to use on your particular model, but you can find out through Onkyo product support (800-229-1687).
As an example, with my AVR you would:
1) Turn the receiver on.
2) Press and hold the VCR/DVR button on the front panel of the receiver (not the remote) and while holding that button down press the STANDBY/ON button on the front panel.
3) The word "Clear" will come up in the display screen and the receiver will then go into the standby mode. All of your custom settings will be lost, it will revert to the factory default settings as if it just came out of the box.
4) Once it goes into the standby mode you can turn it back on and proceed to go through all of your stettings in the setup menu, including the Audyssey calibration.

Time consuming, but far better than having to box it up and return it to a factory service center. It's worth a try if all else fails.

Cheers,
SB

you wre right about how to reset but its still having a problem..... im pulling my hair out!!!!
post #34515 of 62228
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I suppose that you could simply disconnect the center speaker, but you would need to "tell" the receiver/processor that you didn't have a center channel speaker and that would make re-running Audyssey necessary.

Actually you can take out a speaker that Audyssey has pinged and corrected without re running, at least on the Denons. Did it all the time, running DynEQ almost always, so I know Audyssey did not go away.

To the OP, assuming your receiver works like my Denon, since Audyssey pings the speakers indepently, there's no reason to rerun Audyssey. The center that is not making any noise has the same noneffect on the left right and surrounds whether it's not making any noise because Audyssey is not pinging it or because it does not exist.
post #34516 of 62228
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I suppose that you could simply disconnect the center speaker, but you would need to "tell" the receiver/processor that you didn't have a center channel speaker and that would make re-running Audyssey necessary.

Why would you disconnect it, if you can simply set it to none?
post #34517 of 62228
quick question, I am looking into getting a different receiver. I currently have Audyssey Mult EQ XT. I was wondering if XT 32 is that much better?

thanks in advance
post #34518 of 62228
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Originally Posted by JHAz View Post

Actually you can take out a speaker that Audyssey has pinged and corrected without re running, at least on the Denons. Did it all the time, running DynEQ almost always, so I know Audyssey did not go away.

To the OP, assuming your receiver works like my Denon, since Audyssey pings the speakers indepently, there's no reason to rerun Audyssey. The center that is not making any noise has the same noneffect on the left right and surrounds whether it's not making any noise because Audyssey is not pinging it or because it does not exist.

I don't think you can switch from a hard center channel to a phantom center channel without changing the speaker configuration in settings. And I think when you change the speaker configuration Audyssey is turned off with the only way to get it back being to re-run it. I have never tried it, so I am only speculating. Maybe it is smart enough to know that the whole system doesn't need to be re-done, but then maybe not.

Jeff
post #34519 of 62228
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Originally Posted by skoobydoo View Post

Why would you disconnect it, if you can simply set it to none?

It was a rambling, stream-of-consciousness post that should have been edited. The context was that the OP wanted to try a phantom center by setting the center channel speaker setting to NONE. At that point ... see above post.
post #34520 of 62228
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

quick question, I am looking into getting a different receiver. I currently have Audyssey Mult EQ XT. I was wondering if XT 32 is that much better?

thanks in advance

Seems to be according to those who have made the switch.

Jeff
post #34521 of 62228
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I don't think you can switch from a hard center channel to a phantom center channel without changing the speaker configuration in settings. And I think when you change the speaker configuration Audyssey is turned off with the only way to get it back being to re-run it. I have never tried it, so I am only speculating. Maybe it is smart enough to know that the whole system doesn't need to be re-done, but then maybe not.

Jeff - only ADDING a speaker will make the Denon "force" you to re-run Audyssey. Deleting a speaker is fine because Audyssey has already calculated EQ filters for all speakers in use.
post #34522 of 62228
Thanks, that's how it should be. Are Onkyo's the same?
post #34523 of 62228
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Originally Posted by skoobydoo View Post

I'm sure Audyssey knows or has a record of exactly what the frequency curve is on each mic. So, Please don't tell me nothing like that exists or is irrelevant. It may or may not be relevant to what several of us are experiencing. But this information would be nice to know, without my having to go down and buy a frequin meter.

Hi,
All ACM-1h mics used since approx. 2007 have the same frequency response within manufacturing tolerances. Audyssey has developed a testing rig that sits at the end of the assembly line. It uses MultEQ (!) configured for anechoic mic calibration to allow the assembly line workers to quickly test each mic as it comes off the line. Mics outside the frequency response tolerance are thrown out and never shipped. That tolerance is ±2 dB from the "golden mic" response. Mic manufacturers tells us that the typical mics that ship with receivers are usually in the ±4+ range so we feel pretty good about our process.
post #34524 of 62228
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Originally Posted by Hayb2006 View Post

And it's not moving to the other channels either

Do the chirps increase in level after the first attempt?
post #34525 of 62228
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Originally Posted by skoobydoo View Post

I think this is a question that matters; My old AVR sounds nothing like my new AVR, when setup with their corresponding mics. The new AVR sounds better using the old mic. (JOEROD has found the same to be true on his system.) I think this difference goes beyond reference vs. preference. This has left me to think there may have been a bad batch of microphones. Others are also saying their AVR's don't sound right to them.

Now we get this from joerod..

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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

My final verdict! I am considering this case closed. Thankfully the other newer mics produced different results then the first newer mic. Hope that makes sense. Who knows, maybe this mic was dropped or simply a bad one? Either way I am done hearing those crazy noises for awhile. I can't get them out of my head!!!
post #34526 of 62228
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Originally Posted by audyssey View Post


Do the chirps increase in level after the first attempt?

It usually chirps 6 or so times (and then move to the next speaker) when it works but now the speaker is only chirping 4 times and dosent go to the nxt speaker. Idk if the chirps in increase in level
post #34527 of 62228
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Seems to be according to those who have made the switch.

Jeff

Just didn't know if anyone had made the switch and posted their thoughts.
post #34528 of 62228
Quote:
Originally Posted by audyssey View Post

Hi,
All ACM-1h mics used since approx. 2007 have the same frequency response within manufacturing tolerances. Audyssey has developed a testing rig that sits at the end of the assembly line. It uses MultEQ (!) configured for anechoic mic calibration to allow the assembly line workers to quickly test each mic as it comes off the line. Mics outside the frequency response tolerance are thrown out and never shipped. That tolerance is ±2 dB from the "golden mic" response. Mic manufacturers tells us that the typical mics that ship with receivers are usually in the ±4+ range so we feel pretty good about our process.

Not questioning the testing of the mics, but brings up a question or two. I purchased my SR707 in December of 2009, it came with the ACM, no H. How can I tell if it is the correct mic for that unit? It sounds good, so I assume that it is. But now you are saying you changed mics way back in 2007.

When using the ACM-1H, my NR5008 is losing frequencies in the lower voice range. Others are having similar results with their NR3008/5008s. One person says it sounds like a Bose without the sub. JOEROD discovered one out of 3 of his mics is defective. Can you send out a microphone to help isolate my problem and eliminate the concern several others have?
post #34529 of 62228
You need to contact the tech support department of the manufacturer of your unit, but you will probably need to buy a replacement. I seriously doubt that they freely send out parts to people who only suspect they have a bad part or are running through some sort of process of elimination.
post #34530 of 62228
Quote:
Originally Posted by audyssey View Post

Hi,
All ACM-1h mics used since approx. 2007 have the same frequency response within manufacturing tolerances. Audyssey has developed a testing rig that sits at the end of the assembly line. It uses MultEQ (!) configured for anechoic mic calibration to allow the assembly line workers to quickly test each mic as it comes off the line. Mics outside the frequency response tolerance are thrown out and never shipped. That tolerance is ±2 dB from the "golden mic" response. Mic manufacturers tells us that the typical mics that ship with receivers are usually in the ±4+ range so we feel pretty good about our process.

Do you make available the calibration file downloaded into receivers and processors as a tool for consumers to ensure mic accuracy is maintained? Also, what is the tolerance of the mic/preamp included with the installer kit?

Thanks.
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