No, something's wrong. We should see a drastic difference at lower frequencies befor and after optimization. I hope that I did something wrong but removing measuring equipment and setting it all up again showed the very same results.
what processor are you testing...is it a 4311?
Does the processor you are using allow you to look at what it thinks the result eq is after calibrating audyssey? If yes, does it show correction being applied?
But it doesn't explain why the people who now have replaced their original ACM1H microphone, which was wrongly marked ACM1, with another ACM1H microphone are reporting anything but subtle improvements.
As others have said, there could be numerous reasons - mic positioning comes readily to mind.
But what I think it really shows is how useless subjective assessments of sound are, especially when made with quite long time periods between assessments, as is necessary with Audyssey because of the protracted setup procedure.
Time and again, objective critics, such as www.theaudiocritic.com, have proved that unless you can level match to +/- 0.5dB and double blind test, objective assessments show that people can't tell the difference between systems using different amplifiers for example. If that is the case then it's not surprising that people 'remember' their sound differently when they rerun the Audyssey setup using the SAME mic more than once, as appears to have happened here. If the volume is a dB or two different (or the mic placements were different), then the sound will be perceived as different, and in many cases as "better" or "worse" (usually more SPL is perceived as "better"). Also, there is some psychology coming into play where some people may have genuinely believed that they were using a "superior" (correctly calibrated) mic or an "inferior" (wrongly calibrated) mic and this belief may have deceived them into "hearing a difference" that is in line with their prejudices.
Unless anyone believes that there is some sort of conspiracy going on, or that people are deliberately being economical with the truth for commercial reasons ( and I would 100% discount Chris from Audyssey from that as my belief and understanding is that he is a person of unimpeachable integrity, which belief has been reinforced by his actions since this whole issue came up) then it seems to me that this matter is effectively closed. Onkyo users had the correct mic all the time (other than the few who had *defective* mics, which is a different issue entirely) and any perceived differences after running Audyssey with two different, but both correct, mics can be attributed to the reasons above.
Anybody with the Pro software having problems loading measurements onto the Audyssey website?The measurement file loads up real slow and then just stops and eventually Google gives me a time out error.It's been happening to me for the last 2 days.
Just wondering if it's just on my end or if anybody else has had this issue.
Re-ran MultEQ with the following mic locations:
Left speaker (mic location near Audyssey data points) - MultEQ off:
Left speaker (mic location near Audyssey data points) - MultEQ on:
Right speaker (mic location near Audyssey data points) - MultEQ off:
Right speaker (mic location near Audyssey data points) - MultEQ on:
Looks like MultEQ in my TX-NR708 (firmware 1041-0800-0010-2103) is doing nothing at lower frequencies!?
Markus, just to clarify, were these full-range measures of the Left/Right as Large/Full-range? Or did they include the sub?
If they were of the front speakers as full-range, that would explain much of what you see. I know when I upgraded to a MultEQ XT receiver with pre-outs, I found that Audyssey only had enough filter capacity to do very broad changes in the front speakers at the lower frequencies, say below 300Hz. The MultEQ version in your TX-NR708 has even fewer filters. This is one reason for the excitement around MultEQ XT32, but I've not yet seen anyone's room measurements comparing an XT32 receiver with an earlier Audyssey-enabled model.
I am unsure if the whole "truth" really has been told by whoever it concerns.
May be, they just wanted to avoid an expensive replacement / recall... or other cost intensive measures.
Those "after" comments don't sound like placebo effects taking place, but who really knows...
mine was NO placebo effect that ACM1 mic borked both my 707 & 807 AVR's settings even the Wife could tell the difference ... But I have the Correct mic's now & I'm happy
Thank You Chris !
how is the level in dB of each speaker determined by Audissey? Is it calculated based on the aveage response across pre-established frequency ranges or just one specific frequency?
Well, I would presume that your speaker should be approaching a flat in-room response after running Audyssey, so it shouldn't matter (much) at which part of the spectrum the it measures as they should all be about the same...
Chris, would you care to share any specifics or guidance on Dynamic Volume
Light does the least dynamic range containing--I wouldn't think it would be aggressive at all. You may not hear it on most content except for the very loud. Heavy is the most extreme and is intended for late night listening. In all settings, it uses dialog as the reference. Set the volume where you want normal dialog to be and then it makes sure that nothing gets too loud or too soft.
Chris I saw you mention high humidity damaging the mic. I live in louisiana, what do I need to do.
I hear Phoenix is pretty dry . I didn't mean humidity in your house. More like a mic that got wet accidentally. It was just speculation to try to interpret the symptoms: excessively rolled off high frequency response in the mic
I had honestly forgotten that the ACM-1 had gold plugs It's been 3 years since the last ACM-1 was made so it wasn't something we keep seeing every day.
Thank you Chris for investigating and solving the issue of Onkyo mics!
I sent an e-mail to Onkyo USA about 4 days ago and they sent a new mic via FedEx up to Canada already! Guess I didn't need the mic after all, but I think I will try it. Overall very happy with my 906 and the results after Audyssey calibration.
Thanks again for your time and effort to solve this mystery!