"Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #1) - Page 1226

You are correct. A real good test one CD to invest in is the AIX

I would stay with the receiver's test tones, as they bypass the Audyssey processing and the crossover setting, giving you a predictable comparison, and its pink noise band limits are close to what Audyssey is said to use.

If you use an external test disk, you have to worry about what band limits it uses for its pink noise -- not all disks are the same. Some include a setting for Dolby dialog normalization, some don't. You can spend more time verifying exactly how the test disk is constructed than you do checking the levels.

If yours are all equal, you can leave them as they are. Or, if you trust your RS meter more than you do the Audyssey mic and its built-in calibration file, you can adjust all yours up the same amount, thus keeping them equal.

I don't think that there has been any correlation discovered between the results being too this or too that and a different way of measuring that changes that. But beyond the recent "my mic is wrong" situation, I don't think that there has been many situations where there really was something wrong with the results other than an expectation that was incorrect going in.

quick question. When running Audyssey, I have always run my sub with gain at 1/2, and crossover all the way up. In the past the crossover usually maxed out at 120hz. My new subs have a max of 180hz. I never really took into consideration that I should set it at 80hz. I always did this after audyssey ran, and I set my speakers and subs to 80hz. Should I run audyssey with the crossover on the sub turned to 80hz or just turn it all the way up?

I will reconfirm the mic situation. I do see posts here and there talking about how certain speakers are very sensitive to the mic placement and wanted to get some input. I will keep trying other stuff but at this point the Dyn Eq is giving great results for me (along with byp L/R) that I am Ok for now. The main area that I clearly see that I am missing out by using bypass L/R is the bass response. The bass response on audyssey is much more tight and "controlled" than what I get with bypass L/R. For the mid range, clearly I am not getting what I want. It is simply harsh (to my ears)...and is causing listening fatigue.

After Audyssey calibration I have the following crossover configuration:

Fronts - 40Hz
Center - 40Hz
Surrounds - 80Hz
Back surrounds - 120Hz

Should I go with:

Fronts - 80Hz
Center - 80Hz
Surrounds - 80Hz
Back surrounds - 120Hz

or:

Fronts - 80Hz
Center - 90Hz
Surrounds - 100Hz
Back surrounds - 120Hz

I will appreciate your suggestions
Mark

I wonder why the fellow at Audyssey said it was not worth the bother.

I have firmware 1.07. Is that ok for the kit?

I never did get a response to this. So in light of the recent bass responses, I thought I would post it again. (The bic f12 has been getting knocked around lately for not being musical. So, I am asking in general, and maybe even specifically to bic f12's if I could.)

I just got a new pair of Polk Monitor 60s. I really love them but I am noticing a ringing in my afters after listening to them at reference levels. The highs seem a little harsh and really seem to cut right into my eardrums. This is worrisome to me. Is it possible to adjust the EQ somehow to cut down the frequency that's causing the issue? I'm running a Denon 1611. Any help would really be appreciated as I've searched for a while now and can't find the answers I'm looking for. I have heard ridiculous statements like "try different speaker wire" to "you need a tube amp." Some real suggestions would help.

SoundofMind; I enable front L/R bypass for 2CH analog and MCH SACD over HDMI, as well as DVD-A and HT. My FL/FR are flat down to 45hz! Audyssey sets my fronts to 100hz. I get better response setting the fronts to 60hz crossover, and set the Audyssey to "bypass FL/FR". My OPPO sends DSD to my Denon receiver, so I still get bass management this way, better than sending PCM to the receiver just for OPPO bass management. My F/C/R are all rated down to 40hz. Surrounds are rated down to around 50hz. I let Audyssey have its way, except for the fronts. Audyssey sets the center at 40hz, and it is very capable there. The surround L/R Audyssey is set to 60hz, and the SBL/SBR to 40hz. After fighting the 80hz crossover limitation in the OPPO for some time, I gave in to the Audyssey settings, and I am not going back to the OPPO crossovers. With the 60hz crossover and L/R bypass for the fronts, my Antimode 8033 and Audyssey L/R bypass tames the room modes for a wonderful blend with the fronts. With a DSD capable AVR, SACD sounds best letting the AVR do the bass mangement, and a more limited use of Audyssey.

One thing I might add, using the non Audyssey 60hz crossover setting and bypass L/R, I lose the bloated sounding mid's from 60hz up, vs the Audyssey 100hz setting. Good bass traps have allowed this, before the Antimode and bass traps, not so good!

Turn the crossover on the sub itself all the way up. This gets it up out of the way of the AVRs crossover.

Note that Audyssey does NOT set the crossover. It finds your speakers' actual in-room -3 dB point and reports that to your AVR's bass management setup, which then assigns a crossover frequency.

But yet as technical specs improve, i.e. the faithfulness in reproduction, so does the "musicality." Only in that Sub EQ HT implicitly brings a much higher resolution than "MultEQ." But then it is Audyssey's data and *no one* has seen it.

Jeff

Good point. I guess I should fininsh reading Tom's paper.

I have a Epik Empire sub and want to use it for a center channel stand.The sub is located under my Plasma in front of the room centered in the middle of the room.I was going to use a center stand but the sub is much higher and the center speaker sits much higher so the sound is coming at a better height.Will the center channel speaker sitting on the Subwoofer have an effect on the Audyssey settings when it does the sweep of the speakers? Will the Subwoofer change the sound of the center channel?

bizarre=grossly unconventional or unusual-this seems to me to be a very apt descriptor of the Bypass L/R option. This is in no way meant to dismiss what you are hearing, your preferences, and your efforts to obtain better SQ from your gear and room. Simply put, I think it's odd if disabling Audyssey filters on the FR/L speakers makes your system sound better to you.

That's a bit harsh, Markus I think most of us have a good idea what he means by "musicality". I'd suggest he is referring to the properties that make his system sound like real music - timing, presence, good transient behaviour and so on. Often these words like "musicality" sound airy-fairy (do you have that expression in the States of does it mean something way different? ) but it's not easy to use words to describe sounds. HST, I can't give him any sort of answer, meaningful or not

Kind Regards,

Keith

I don't know about seat to seat variance but I can say for sure that XT32 made a fantastic difference to the bass in my room, with nothing else changed at all other than inserting the AS-EQ1 and thus getting the benefit of the much higher filter resolution as compared with my 5007's plain XT. The difference is astounding.

You seem to be saying, or this is how I am reading it, which may not be the same thing, that XT32 doesn't have many more benefits than XT and I'm sure that very few would agree with that if they have experienced both.

Kind Regards,

Keith

How high does EQ go for the subs in Audyssey ?

Can I set my xovers to 100 and know Audyssey has EQ 'd the subs above that?

Well from what I have gathered some subs are more for HT and others are more for music. I just basically wondered if the avr's equipped with the newest audyssey, xt32, helped the subs, more geared toward ht duties, in producing better sound with music reproduction moreso than an avr without it. And if it did improve in this scenario what kind of results would one expect. (Or would would this answer be more correct http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1922 which was a response I received when I asked basically the same question when referring to 2 bic f12's and xt32.)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...116093&page=65 1921 1922


Are those papers you mentioned only available by purchasing them?

I don't know the upper limit of eq on the sub, but it certainly eq's up to 120hz which is the highest you want to set your Low Pass Filter in order to receive the full LFE range of frequencies.

You mean the EQ setting on the sub itself? You should use the bypass switch to defeat the sub EQ (if you have one) before running Audyssey. If your sub doesn't have a XO bypass switch, set the XO control to its maximum.

Kind Regards,

Keith

This is a very good point. The fact that all his speakers are equal is the important thing, IMO.

I agree. But they are the only terms we have if we are trying to use language to communicate about sounds. Most people interested in music would know what 'rhythm' and 'timing' mean I would imagine. 'Presence' is harder to define but I'd expect a system with good transient attack reproduction to have 'presence' too. If I said "my bass captures the rhythm and timing of the music well" I think most people would know what I was trying to say. The danger of course, is that it is so easy to stray into the area of the $5,000 interconnect and talk about "deep pools of inky black velvet between each note". There, I agree 100% with you, it's gibberish.

Kind Regards,

Keith

I understood what he meant .
As this is the Audyssey thread .


You are coming off as a word cop now .
(not to inflame you)
,but that statement I just made is not suited to describe any specific area of expertise
(agin this is not to inflame you ,just making a point )