"Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #1) - Page 1678

Audyssey is mostly a "black box". If you want to "know" what is happening, spend money on something like Omnimic so you can measure yourself.

You wouldn't want Audyssey doing correction to your speakers below the point at which they roll off anyway. If they got set to large during auto setup then you know they go down to at least 40hz... and that's all you're going to get out of it. That means they probably roll off in the 30s somewhere. How much lower do you need for 2ch music?

Whatever. "They" know what it is and that is used internally to calculate the correction. It is a room correction technology, not a room measurement system.

Jeff

@Mupi
The lower cutoff frequencies for each speaker, which have been measured by Audyssey, are provided in the crossover suggestions.
Because their is no way of manipulating the target curve yourself and individually - except for maybe "music" and "movie" settings - by a standard Audyssey, they don't provide any measurment graphs to the public. There is no meaningful way to manipulate them within Audyssey (amplitude and timeline / phase), as long, as you don't have an Audyssey Pro Installer Kit.

+1.

Think this way: the lower the c/o suggestion the merrier. Probably best is "Large" or "Full Band", but if it's 60 Hz or even 40 Hz you can be sure an initial 80 Hz c/o will surely work for your speaker/sub intergation. Worry only if c/o turns out higher than 80 Hz, coz in that case you may run into a sub directionality issue.

On my Denon 3310 it just says FULL RANGE. Does not say what the exact value is that Audyssey measured. I can only set as low as 40Hz. My speakers can go lower. Sure Audyssey is a correction software, but you cant correct if you dont measure. So why charge extra just to show what low end it measured. Instead of showing just FULL RANGE on the GUI after the measurement, why not just show what value it measured as the lowest. May be it is the implementation on the Denon. Does Onkyo or Integra show on the GUI what the lowest value that was measured for the mains or they also just show FULL RANGE?

My goal is to use Audyssey for 2ch music without a sub as my mains can go down to the low 30's. If I set mains as LARGE and sub as NO, I would not know the lowest frequency that Audyssey is EQing.

Where as the new Antimode claims that I can pick the range. So I presume I can pick 30Hz to 16Khz for my mains (without a sub). So now I know for sure that I am EQing in that range, assuming that it works (just a disclaimer to avoid a war).

My case is very simple. Just tell me the lowest frequency Audyssey measured on my mains. If they want more money for it, then I will have to look for options like the new Antimode.

Please note that I a not using a sub. 2ch music with mains only.

Charge everyone extra for something very few want to know?

Since u r not happy with Audyssey (u think they should provide measurements they don't) and u neither want to buy a measuring system or Pro (which also will not tell u what u want either, by the way) then go buy something else!

Aufyssey a monopoly? I can name two other solutions plus u think antimode is a solution! That does not fit the definition of a monopoly!

Antimode also is not going to tell me what the -3db point is that it measured but I can at least select my range based on the specs of the speaker. I can also play with the range a bit and also use a SPL meter to get some quick measurements just at the low end to confirm. They do claim that it can be used for a pair of full-range speakers.

"In addition of being able to correct a pair of full-range speakers (or a dual-subwoofer system) in an acoustically challenging environment, it offers a wide variety of adjustments for the overall sound"

I do have the DEQ2496 which can make measurements i.e has a built in SPL meter and I also have a SPL meter. The point is that if Audyssey already measured it and if it is just a matter of displaying, why not show it. The same holds for Antimode to. The dual core has a display. So I am hoping they would show me what they measured. It is not too much to ask for. All they have to do is show that value instead of showing "FULL-RANGE"

I was talking about extra charge for the pro kit. In online communication 90% of the content is lost :-)

Like I said before, if they are already measuring it, why not just show that value on the GUI instead of "FULL-RANGE". Is this too much to ask for when I am spending $2000?

Audyssey does not provide what you want. I am also pretty comfortable they are not going to stop what they are doing and give you what you want. So you have a few choices: (1) go acquire a measuring system (REW, OmniMic XTZ), which I think no serious HT enthusiast should be without; (2) see if you can find exactly what you want in another SSP, sell yours and go buy the new one (3) continue to post here that Audyssey doesn't have what you want and you think they should.

Options 1 or 2 will move you forward. Option 3: not so much!

Mupi, today we all know that:

1. L&Rs should be carefully set up for sound stage imaging,

2. Sub(s) should be carefully setup to combat room modes,

3. Audyssey is setup to EQ all above.

4. Bass Management is used to ...bla-bla-bla, ....no need to repeat, eh?

Now, if you still want to do a 2.0 setup, you must have a very good reason to go against all the above. As a friendly advise try to respond to the question (to yourself): do you still wanna have 2.0? I think the case that your L&Rs can go down to the 30 Hz range is not enough reason not to have a sub, but please feel free to do as you wish, nothing wrong with that, really!

Lastly, you can always ask Chris at AskAudyssey on your query of the exact lowest -3dB measurement issue.

Take care!

The reality is they don't - and they won't be changing it any time soon. You can keep saying you want it till the cows come home but you ain't gonna get it. So likely the Antimode is better for you than Audyssey.

Audyssey doesn't care about "Full Range".
This evaluation comes from the firmware of the model manufacturer.
Only the measured -3db (or was it -6db ?) point (in room) are displayed.
Everything else is up to the manufacturer.
In the case of the Onks, Onkyo / Integra don't display anything, they actually never did.

Leaving aside lectures from Feri and others about whether you want to listen to 2ch without a sub..... I'm failing to see what the fuss is about.

OK, you want to listen to 2ch with 2 speakers. Awesome. Does it really *matter* if you know whether the filters taper off at 32hz or 36hz? It gets set to full range, which means Audyssey is correcting at least to the 30's. It either sounds good or it doesn't. If you want to know more, buy measurement software.

I'll simply repeat my message from yesterday because I still think it's right

Hi folks

I guess this has been asked someplace in the many posts but my search has drawn blank so i hope someone will help please.

I have an Onkyo TX809 this was until today set up as 5.1 in the Onkyo forum a suggestion was that placement of wides would be a good plan and i tried this and i like it very much. they are now installed.

The room is only 14 foot by 12 foot and the main speakes are firing over the width,

So my qstn is my amp can only handle 7.1 if i added high speakers when would you imagine i would find myself turning them on instead of the wides.

I sort of wish now i had bought the Tx1009 lol

Many thanks

whether you prefer wides or heights is totally subjective. It's not something anyone can tell you for yourself, only your ears and brain can answer that

do you mind explaining this statement: "the main speakes are firing over the width"

do you mean the main L/R speakers are ABOVE the wide speakers?

I did get some replies and I am going to try them out. But I'm still posting my question here since I was instructed to post it here...

So I recently got a AVR-1612 to replace my broken Onkyo.
My speakers as as follows

Polk RTI8 - Front left and right
Polk CSI5 - Center
Infinity Pimus - Surround left and right
Sub - Elemental Design A2-300

I ran Audyssey setup also. I just now checked my Speaker config and see it like this - Front - large, Center - Small, sub - yes, surround - small, s.back - none.

Aren't all speakers of mine large? Should I correct it manually? Or do I set front left and right also to small so that it matches center?

thanks...

Also in a 14' x 14' room, is this receiver adequate for my speakers? Or do I need to go for receiver with more power?

anyone?

Thanks fellas.

Your goal is to have both subs equal distance from the main listening position and then to have them both be the same volume with any given input signal. After that, they get "Y"'d together to one sub channel on your processor. If you used the internal test signal to do the level matching, one at a time is how you would do it. But I'd shoot for 70dB so that both together come close to 75dB.

Jeff

nope


no, the current arrangement is correct -- if you don't have a sub your front L/R must be set to large, because there is nothing to cross over to. If you had a subwoofer, then ALL speakers should be set to small.



in a room that small *anything* is adequate, you are using almost no power at all.

you should take some time and read through the Audyssey section of my Denon FAQ, as pretty much all your questions are answered there (and you will learn other stuff too): http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audyssey

Thanks BatPig.

I realized that I left out the sub from my post. I also have a sub which is Elemental Designs. I have turned it a bit down because I felt it generated way more powerful sounds than tyhe erst of my speaker system when I see movies.

Anyway going back to your post, I shd now set even the fronts to small I suppose.
And yes I am going to read the FAQ as you suggested

I am befuddled with the results i got from Audyssey MultEQ XT32 after i checked its speaker level calibration separately using a Behringer 8000 microphone and a 1/3 octave RTA.
Apparently the input level for my front L/R speakers needed to be raised all the way up to its maximum and that still wasn't enough to reach the specified 75dB level (it barely reached 70dB according to mic/RTA measurement) whereas all the other speakers measured right on the mark at about 75dB.
Audyssey calibration apparently accepted such speaker output mismatch, finish calibration and kept the output level for my front L/R speakers 5 dB lower than all other speakers in the system !
Shouldn't there be a message during calibration stating something like "Not enough input gain available for front L/R speakers to reach recommended 75dB level ~ do you wish to keep current calibration or cancel" ?
If Audyssey MultEQ XT32 runs out of speaker input gain, is that simply ignored and the calibration process is finished without even a warning ?

correct -- it works the same way on the negative end too (people who have very high sensitivity speakers that need more than 12dB of attenuation).

it's really not Audyssey that's the issue here, all it's trying to do is calibrate to a specified, *absolute* reference level -- the receiver has a max/min level of channel gain/trim that can be applied, and if the channels can't be balanced, Audyssey can't do much about it.

Audyssey doesn't set the limits of a receiver's speaker trims, the receiver manufacturer does. A quick search of this thread will reveal several instances in which participants have told folks who didn't look over th eAudyssey setup guide first that they have an issue because their trims are at the max. It happens occasionally.

True enough that there is no warning from AUdyssey or the mlanufacturer when the trims are axceeded. Seems like it would be nice to have one, but there's not. Maybe someday there will be but it seems to me it's in the hands of the receiver manufacturers who set the limits (popular are +/- 12 dB and 15 dB ranges).

You did better than many identifying the issue on your own. The setup guide linked in the forst post of this thread and often afterward will help. You can ultimately get your speakers into appropriate relative output and probably can, through adjustments in input levels, get zero on the volume control to equal reference (the everpopular 75 dB with a -30dBFS pink noise source).

I think your case needs some careful troubleshooting.

If you don't mind, here are some starter questions:

1. What speakers do you have?
2. What trims were set for your other speakers and sub?

I have a ? For you guys about xt32. I just bought a new integra that has the xt32 and was wondering how the best way to to eq my subs with it? My theater has two DIY dual 13"elemental designs subs free standing and two triad 10" inwalls. I have the dual 13's on each side of room. Any suggestions on how to do this right?

Thanks
Barry

It's not ideal, but a Y-Splitter off of each Sub output is about the best you can do, unless you want to add another box to your system. One output feeding the 2 DIY Subs and the other feeding the 2 Triad In-Walls Subs.

looking for some guidance...i have been doing a lot of audyssey testing with my Onkyo 709 (i'm one of the ones having to use the MUSIC curve because of the Onkyo glitch). I notice that Audyssey sets my main/center/surround crossovers to 100hz or 120hz. i know they are "rated" to do 80 on the mains and 100 on the surrounds, but i know that being rated to do that doesn't necessarily make it so. Still, things sound so much better to me when i lower the crossover to 80 on the center and mains. am i "hurting" anything audyssey is doing by lowering those crossovers to 80?