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post #51601 of 62259
3/13/12 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

LOL.


I don't believe we're still debating this. Smoother is better. Need I bring out the digital Dipometer yet again?

You, sir, shall never convince me that smoother is better than chunky. And it's not just my opinion, it's cold, hard (utterly unprovable) fact!

Dip on!
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post #51602 of 62259
3/13/12 at 9:34am
Actually made no mention of sub splice vs reference. audioboy off base again.
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post #51603 of 62259
3/13/12 at 10:55am
Hey guys!

I'm having trouble with running Auddyssey with my Denon AVR-1912 (MultEQ). After setting up my speakers I ran Auddyssey and almost everything sounds fine except for the high frequencies. I was actually surprised a little, because the biggest complaint I see after running auddyssey is reduced bass. This didn't happen in my case. The bass frequencies are deep and tight. In my case, it killed the treble coming from my center. Killed like practically non-existent. However for my surrounds (I'm running a 5.0 configuration) the high frequencies were boosted into the stratosphere!

For the most part this imbalance is not noticeable with movies. Everything sounds pretty good when the various channels are playing different content. However when playing music in multi-channel format (multi-channel stereo) there is a HUGE difference between whats coming from the center channel, the mains and the surrounds. The main speakers are fairly balanced. The high's are rolled off a bit like I expected from Auddyssey, but still audible. With the center channel, the highs are gone. They just aren't there. I cannot hear things like cymbals or the higher notes of a piano or guitar! With the surrounds, those particular sounds are so loud, they dominate the room. The imbalance is driving me nuts.

Now for some specifics: I am running very low cost speakers...the Sony SS series. Some may think the speakers are the problem but they are not....I had them hooked up to a non-Auddyssey AVR before without this issue. They were fairly well balanced across the whole frequency range except for some of the mid frequencies (voices weren't very strong with this AVR) so I know this isn't an issue with the speakers.

I've also looked at the EQ in Auddyssey....it has boosted the highest frequencies in the surrounds by as much as +3.0db, and reduced the highs in the center by as much a -5.0db!

I also have my surrounds mounted a bit higher than the recommended distance, though placement-wise they are exactly where they need to be in relation to the listening position. I'm thinking I just need to bring them down by 2 or 3 feet. Maybe that will help auddyssey mitigate the high frequencies in the surrounds instead of auddyssey detecting them as being very far away from the listening position.

My only recourse at this point will be to adjust the speaker position and re-run Auddyssey. I can see re-positioning the surrounds helping in that situation, but there is literally nothing I can do to move the center. Hopefully changing the mic positions to some alternate positions I saw on the Auddyssey website will assist in fixing the highs my center will put out.

Any ideas?
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post #51604 of 62259
3/13/12 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Don't touch that sub distance setting!!

When Audyssey says it is setting 'distance', it is really setting 'delay'. The idea is that Audyssey will know the distance of each speaker from the mic (in position 1) and it will then be able to set delays so that all the sound arrives at the MLP at the same time.

But the sub is a special case. The sub has its own internal processing (as part of its amplifier settings and controls etc) and so Audyssey has to take account of any delays that this internal processing causes. Thus it will usually set the sub distance to greater than the physical distance of the sub from the MLP (the greater the distance, the sooner Audyssey has to 'start' the signal, thus overcoming the internal delay caused by the sub's own processing).

Note that Audyssey is not setting the distance for any effect at all on the loudness of the sub at the MLP. That's a separate thing and you are doing the calibration correctly from what you say. If you want to increase the loudness of the sub after calibration, it is OK to change the trim level - just don't touch the distance setting at all.

Thanks Jeff and Keith for the replies, my reasoning for the change in the subs distance from 16' (set by Audyssey) to the 12' actual sub distance, is that when I played some music (cd and BD, 2ch and 5.1) I found the bass a little too "boomy" if that is the correct term. So IF i DO NOT change the subs distance, and leave it at 16', can I still LOWER the trim level on the sub. Audyssey set the sub level at +2db , I now have it at -2db with the distance at 12'.

PS I don't mind that my knowlege base has been questioned.

Thanks

Paul
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post #51605 of 62259
3/13/12 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by NuSoardGraphite View Post

Hey guys!

I'm having trouble with running Auddyssey with my Denon AVR-1912 (MultEQ). After setting up my speakers I ran Auddyssey and almost everything sounds fine except for the high frequencies. I was actually surprised a little, because the biggest complaint I see after running auddyssey is reduced bass. This didn't happen in my case. The bass frequencies are deep and tight. In my case, it killed the treble coming from my center. Killed like practically non-existent. However for my surrounds (I'm running a 5.0 configuration) the high frequencies were boosted into the stratosphere!

For the most part this imbalance is not noticeable with movies. Everything sounds pretty good when the various channels are playing different content. However when playing music in multi-channel format (multi-channel stereo) there is a HUGE difference between whats coming from the center channel, the mains and the surrounds. The main speakers are fairly balanced. The high's are rolled off a bit like I expected from Auddyssey, but still audible. With the center channel, the highs are gone. They just aren't there. I cannot hear things like cymbals or the higher notes of a piano or guitar! With the surrounds, those particular sounds are so loud, they dominate the room. The imbalance is driving me nuts.

Now for some specifics: I am running very low cost speakers...the Sony SS series. Some may think the speakers are the problem but they are not....I had them hooked up to a non-Auddyssey AVR before without this issue. They were fairly well balanced across the whole frequency range except for some of the mid frequencies (voices weren't very strong with this AVR) so I know this isn't an issue with the speakers.

I've also looked at the EQ in Auddyssey....it has boosted the highest frequencies in the surrounds by as much as +3.0db, and reduced the highs in the center by as much a -5.0db!

I also have my surrounds mounted a bit higher than the recommended distance, though placement-wise they are exactly where they need to be in relation to the listening position. I'm thinking I just need to bring them down by 2 or 3 feet. Maybe that will help auddyssey mitigate the high frequencies in the surrounds instead of auddyssey detecting them as being very far away from the listening position.

My only recourse at this point will be to adjust the speaker position and re-run Auddyssey. I can see re-positioning the surrounds helping in that situation, but there is literally nothing I can do to move the center. Hopefully changing the mic positions to some alternate positions I saw on the Auddyssey website will assist in fixing the highs my center will put out.

Any ideas?

What did set the crossovers for the various speakers ?
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post #51606 of 62259
3/13/12 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Thanks Jeff and Keith for the replies, my reasoning for the change in the subs distance from 16' (set by Audyssey) to the 12' actual sub distance, is that when I played some music (cd and BD, 2ch and 5.1) I found the bass a little too "boomy" if that is the correct term. So IF i DO NOT change the subs distance, and leave it at 16', can I still LOWER the trim level on the sub. Audyssey set the sub level at +2db , I now have it at -2db with the distance at 12'.

Hi Paul - the distance should absolutely not be changed at this stage of your Audyssey 'career' IMO. Changing it will throw off the delay that Audyssey has set in order to make the bass arrive from your sub to your ears at the same time as everything else does. What you will get around the crossover region, if you change it the way you have, is a 'smearing' of the bass - IOW it will not be as 'tight' as it could. Jeff's point about changing the sub distance in order to improve the 'splice' (where the mains and subs cross over into each other's territory a little) is an esoteric one and can be experimented with later - although really you need independent measuring equipment like REW or OmniMic if you are going to use sub variable distance to try to improve the splice.

I would suggest you put the distance back to 16 feet as measured by Audyssey and then lower or raise the sub trim to get the amount of bass you prefer. It is totally normal for Audyssey to set the sub distance greater than actuality and pretty much everyone running Audyssey will find that theirs is set that way too.

You do not upset the EQ in any way by raising or lowering the trim levels by a few dB.

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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

PS I don't mind that my knowlege base has been questioned.

Cool. Some people can be touchy, that's all....
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post #51607 of 62259
3/13/12 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Thanks Jeff and Keith for the replies, my reasoning for the change in the subs distance from 16' (set by Audyssey) to the 12' actual sub distance, is that when I played some music (cd and BD, 2ch and 5.1) I found the bass a little too "boomy" if that is the correct term. So IF i DO NOT change the subs distance, and leave it at 16', can I still LOWER the trim level on the sub. Audyssey set the sub level at +2db , I now have it at -2db with the distance at 12'.

PS I don't mind that my knowlege base has been questioned.

Thanks

Paul

You can lower the trim, but it probably got set where it is because it was determined to be best there. If it still sounds boomy, then Audyssey was not able to correct your system/room LF response. Had you placed the sub initially for smoothest response? If not, that would be recommended. If you do that, you will re-run Audyssey.

I would return the distance setting to what it had been. That would be unrelated to the boominess.
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post #51608 of 62259
3/13/12 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Thanks Jeff and Keith for the replies, my reasoning for the change in the subs distance from 16' (set by Audyssey) to the 12' actual sub distance, is that when I played some music (cd and BD, 2ch and 5.1) I found the bass a little too "boomy" if that is the correct term. So IF i DO NOT change the subs distance, and leave it at 16', can I still LOWER the trim level on the sub. Audyssey set the sub level at +2db , I now have it at -2db with the distance at 12'.

PS I don't mind that my knowlege base has been questioned.

Thanks

Paul

Forgive the double post, but there are two distinct things going on here. Refer to my post about the sub distance first, and get that aspect sorted. Then look at this one:

The issue with regard to music is a thorny topic. Audyssey works best with movie soundtracks because these are mixed to a known 'reference' standard. Music is not mixed to any standard and is at the whim of each mixer or producer. Chances are you have got Dynamic EQ engaged (it defaults to ON after running the calibration). DEQ boosts certain frequencies in order to account for human psychoacoustics where certain frequencies fall off faster than others as volume diminishes. So as you move the MV from 0dB reference, these frequencies will diminish faster than, for example, the mid range where the human voice lies. DEQ cleverly makes adjustments in real time for this effect and compensates for it very well when listening to movies, where the reference level is known.

However, you specifically mentioned CDs and music wrt to your 'boomy' bass. This is probably because you listen, like most people, at way below 0dB and so DEQ is affecting your FR - but because music mixes are all over the place, chances are that DEQ is boosting your bass too much. There is a setting called Reference Level Offset in your menus somewhere - locate this and try setting it to 5dB or 10dB or 15dB as you feel best. What this does is 'trick' your AVR into thinking it is playing louder than it is (by the offset you choose) and thus it diminishes the effect of DEQ. IOW, when you set the MV to -10dB, with a RLO of 10dB, then DEQ is doing nothing at all. Or try turning DEQ off altogether when listening to music and see if you prefer it that way. For movies, you can leave RLO set to 0dB or, if you feel the bass and especially the surrounds are too 'hot' then try a RLO of 5dB for movies too (which is how I do it myself).

If this is all confusing, please ask again and either I or someone will try to explain it slightly differently. It can be a bit confusing at first

EDIT: Jeff makes a good point. There is only so much correction that Audyssey can apply. If the room and the sub within the room are really bad, acoustically, then you may be asking too much of Audyssey. Have you experimented with the sub's position in the room at all? Moving it a few feet can make a dramatic difference. If you are able to post a photo of your room this would help with diagnosis of the problem - just a mobile phone photo will do - you don't need to call in Herb Ritts
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post #51609 of 62259
3/13/12 at 11:22am
I am pretty much a novice but I have read this forum and often you guys reference REW and a cal mic and speak of tweaks you can do utilizing these tools. Is there a how to post some where that explains some of the tweaks and how to utilize REW to perform them? Or possibly another forum that goes into detail about using the software to tweak the audyssey cal. Any help would be appreciated.
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post #51610 of 62259
3/13/12 at 11:31am
At the risk of beating a dead horse, I take exception to the statements about the Audyssey software being imperfect. IMHO if the software can do what it is supposed to do and do it repeatedly (it's deterministic) then it is perfect.

It is not less than perfect if it can't come up with one's idea of a perfect EQ from one arbitrary set of mic positions; it is not less than perfect because it provides different results from a different set of mic locations.

Yes, changing the mic positions will result in a change in the room corrections it makes. Just as moving one's head a few inches will change the frequency response one experiences (whether or not Audyssey is enabled). BTW, unless one's head is always locked in the same position, varying the mic locations modestly is an academic exercise.

Keep in mind:

1) Audyssey can pretty much eliminate deviations from flat that are similar at all mic'd seating positions.

2) Audyssey will "equalize" the frequency response deviations from flat that differ from seat to seat. For instance, if one is mic'ing two seats and one has a 5 db peak at 50 Hz and the other has a 5 db dip at 50 Hz, there is nothing Audyssey can do. If one seat has a dip of 2 db and the other a dip of 8 db, the result will be one seat with a peak of 3 db and the other a dip of 3 db. (this is a simplistic explanation but I hope gets the point cross)

3) Asking Audyssey to EQ a smaller listening bubble will produce better results in the listening bubble.

4) The results are improved by increasing the number of mic'd locations within the listening bubble.

The listening bubble may be shown by Audyssey to be "flat" but that's an aggregate of the area as a whole. Individual mic locations will not be flat and locations between mic'd locations may be less flat.

So, the software is perfect. It does what it is meant to do. It does not change the laws of physics. It will never make all seats or mic locations each truly flat. Nonetheless, the improvement is generally very significant and, at least with XT32, further improvements will be modest. The laws of physics aren't going to yield. XT64 anybody?

Harrison
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post #51611 of 62259
3/13/12 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by veger69 View Post

I am pretty much a novice but I have read this forum and often you guys reference REW and a cal mic and speak of tweaks you can do utilizing these tools. Is there a how to post some where that explains some of the tweaks and how to utilize REW to perform them? Or possibly another forum that goes into detail about using the software to tweak the audyssey cal. Any help would be appreciated.

Many do tweaks by ear. I do. And I doubt that the results of a dB here and a dB will be noticed on a graph.

After measuring and treating and correcting with Audyssey, it is listening that is the final step. But only the Audyssey Pro software allows tweaking. The built in consumer version can't be tweaked.

Jeff
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post #51612 of 62259
3/13/12 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post


The issue with regard to music is a thorny topic. Audyssey works best with movie soundtracks because these are mixed to a known 'reference' standard. Music is not mixed to any standard and is at the whim of each mixer or producer. Chances are you have got Dynamic EQ engaged (it defaults to ON after running the calibration).

That's a good point, Keith, and one that I keep forgetting about when people complain of boominess.
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post #51613 of 62259
3/13/12 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by veger69 View Post

I am pretty much a novice but I have read this forum and often you guys reference REW and a cal mic and speak of tweaks you can do utilizing these tools. Is there a how to post some where that explains some of the tweaks and how to utilize REW to perform them? Or possibly another forum that goes into detail about using the software to tweak the audyssey cal. Any help would be appreciated.

I agree with Pepar. You are talking about a lot of learning and a lot of work for potentially very small reward. With that kind of time investment, you move away from just enjoying an excellent sound system to becoming an audio equipment hobbyist where the equipment and its performance is the focus, not the movies or the music.

This is not to steer you away from that track if it intrigues you, but to let you know what you may be getting yourself into.

Personally, I don't go beyond building my own subwoofers and using a pro install kit to get the most out of the Audyssey system.

Harrison
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post #51614 of 62259
3/13/12 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by hclarkx View Post

It is not less than perfect if it can't come up with one's idea of a perfect EQ from one arbitrary set of mic positions;

Hi Harrison. I agree with most of your post, except for this bit.

Assuming a 'reasonable' room, the aim of Audyssey is to deliver the Audyssey target curve so long as one follows the instructions - ie if the mic is placed at ear height, pointing up, spaced at about 2 feet distance for measurements, within the boundaries defined by the front speakers, 2 feet away from walls etc etc.

If one follows those instructions it is possible to get what we might call Result A. But one can then do a different measurement, using different mic positions - but still within Audyssey's guidelines - and get instead Result B. This would suggest to me that the system is not 'perfected'.

Clearly, different mic positions will yield different results - and that is the problem. One can follow Audyssey's instructions very precisely but get two different results. If the system was perfect, following their instructions would deliver the target curve every time.

Not that any of this matters very much - it is just of academic interest IMO. I have found that I get excellent results every time by following the guidelines in the Setup Guide. But I can get different, excellent results if I move the mic about a bit.
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post #51615 of 62259
3/13/12 at 12:03pm
Perhaps with pro and 32 measurements, the variability would disappear .
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post #51616 of 62259
3/13/12 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Clearly, different mic positions will yield different results - and that is the problem.

No it is not.

Good luck, Harrison.
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post #51617 of 62259
3/13/12 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by hclarkx View Post

With that kind of time investment, you move away from just enjoying an excellent sound system to becoming an audio equipment hobbyist where the equipment and its performance is the focus, not the movies or the music.

Oh how I agree with that! Many years ago, when my main audio interest was two channel music, I knew many, many 'audiophiles' who used their records (and later, their CDs) to play their hi-fi system, as opposed to the other way around.

My main hobby these days is movies. I got kinda sidetracked into this 'equipment hobby' because I want to play my movies to the best possible effect, within the limitations of my room and budget, wrt to picture and sound (and especially sound). But I don't really see myself as an 'equipmentist' - I love movies and this side-hobby of mine lets me get even more enjoyment out of them. I have many, many movies in Mono sound, in B&W for example and I love to hear a good mono 'mix', faithfully recreating the original. I often see, in these forums, people who say "Oh I no longer play DVDS - just Blu-rays these days" and I wonder why. Thousands of brilliant movies are available only on DVD and will never be released on Blu-ray. So I suspect that these people are primarily interested in their audio equipment - they are what you call 'audio equipment hobbyists' rather than movie or music aficionados. Nothing wrong with that at all of course - just picking up the excellent point you make.
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post #51618 of 62259
3/13/12 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

No it is not.

Good luck, Harrison.

Do you have a contribution to make?
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post #51619 of 62259
3/13/12 at 12:08pm
+1
I too watch a great deal of older material, much of it in mono but also in stereo. I could not get by watching only BDs.
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post #51620 of 62259
3/13/12 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

Perhaps with pro and 32 measurements, the variability would disappear .

I am hoping so! In my small room, if I use all 32 positions, there won't be any possibility, ever, of changing mic placements - there won't be room!

No sign of the FW from Onkyo yet though...
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3/13/12 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

+1
I too watch a great deal of older material, much of it in mono but also in stereo. I could not get by watching only BDs.

Not just that: a lot of foreign films are only on DVD, and in PAL non-Region 1 format. Outside of a few that get recent commercial acclaim,, few are likely will to go on BluRay, let alone Region A. The same goes for foreign language live music concert discs, if that's your thing.
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post #51622 of 62259
3/13/12 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by hclarkx View Post

I agree with Pepar. You are talking about a lot of learning and a lot of work for potentially very small reward. With that kind of time investment, you move away from just enjoying an excellent sound system to becoming an audio equipment hobbyist where the equipment and its performance is the focus, not the movies or the music.

This is not to steer you away from that track if it intrigues you, but to let you know what you may be getting yourself into.

Personally, I don't go beyond building my own subwoofers and using a pro install kit to get the most out of the Audyssey system.

Harrison

Well I have always had those types of inclinations whether it is cars or computers or Music but maybe if I had a more direct question. I'm most interested in tweaking the XO and evaluating the Phase control Knob settings on my LFM-1 EX. As far as speaker setup goes integrating a SW into my system has always given me the most trouble. It would be nice to have a tool to take some of the guess work out of it. I'm ready for school! Learning new tech has always been a hobby for me.
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post #51623 of 62259
3/13/12 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

It may do - but that won’t help much if the user is setting a crossover.

No - he was using a XO and a sub.

Yes, but what was the XO ? 'Bass' isn't defined as just what's below 80Hz.

And even EQ'ing only midrange-treble frequencies can make the listener think 'bass' is tighter/better because 1) bass instruments can also produce upper frequencies (esp. attack/plucking sounds) and 2) correcting overbearing mid/treble could subjectively 'bring out' bass).


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True - and I don't recall him mentioning the XO he was using. But if it was the typical 80Hz, then there wouldn't be much real bass in the satellites to correct.

You mean 'low bass' or 'sub bass'. And bookshelf speakers might have usable output down to ~65 Hz, which is certainly within the realm of 'bass'.


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I am not surprised. MCACC seems pretty useless to me if it doesn't correct for the bass - it's the bass that really needs the correction.

It does not EQ below 60 Hz in any channel, and it does not EQ the 'subwoofer channel' at all. That may well be inadequate but it's different from having NO bass correction capability.

FWIW, I owned several Pioneer Elite line AVRs over a decade or so, and recently switched to a Denon with MultiXT 32 because I wanted subwoofer channel correction. I don't regret it. That said, I miss being able to store *6 different* room EQ settings, as I could with my Pioneers.
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3/13/12 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Hi Feri,

Below is a set of measurements taken at the Kansas City Blind Subwoofer Meet. These were taken after running Audyssey on each sub. The subs were placed in the same positions and the mic positions were ostensibly the same. If we were truly "confident that Audyssey is striving to set the low end flat", wouldn't we expect that all of these subs would truly be *flat* after being EQ'd/Room Corrected by Audyssey?


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1387178
(Graph is in Post #3)

Yet, they are anything BUT flat. More importantly, they are all *different*! How do you explain that?

Craig

Apart from marketing materials and personal testimonials there is not that much to go on with respect to audible differences between XT and XT32, or much else, as far as I know.

So, is XT audibly (and measurably) better than XT32?
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3/13/12 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by allsop4now View Post

So, is XT audibly (and measurably) better than XT32?

I don't know about measurements, but I do know I had XT on my Denon AVR-4806CI and my Denon AVP-A1HDCI, and found it to be absolutely unlistenable. Updating to XT32 made use of Audyssey absolutely essential.
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post #51626 of 62259
3/13/12 at 12:42pm
Oh yeah, Harrison, building your own subs is sooo entry level.

Jeff

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Originally Posted by hclarkx View Post

I agree with Pepar. You are talking about a lot of learning and a lot of work for potentially very small reward. With that kind of time investment, you move away from just enjoying an excellent sound system to becoming an audio equipment hobbyist where the equipment and its performance is the focus, not the movies or the music.

Personally, I don't go beyond building my own subwoofers and using a pro install kit to get the most out of the Audyssey system.
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post #51627 of 62259
3/13/12 at 12:50pm
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Yes, but what was the XO ? 'Bass' isn't defined as just what's below 80Hz.

Agreed. I was referring to what I called 'real bass' by which I meant low bass. You are quite right to pick up on laxity in expression.

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And even EQ'ing only midrange-treble frequencies can make the listener think 'bass' is tighter/better because 1) bass instruments can also produce upper frequencies (esp. attack/plucking sounds) and 2) correcting overbearing mid/treble could subjectively 'bring out' bass).

Absolutely, but IIRC that wasn't what we were discussing.

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You mean 'low bass' or 'sub bass'. And bookshelf speakers might have usable output down to ~65 Hz, which is certainly within the realm of 'bass'.

Yes, low bass.

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Originally Posted by krabapple View Post

It does not EQ below 60 Hz in any channel, and it does not EQ the 'subwoofer channel' at all. That may well be inadequate but it's different from having NO bass correction capability.

True - I should perhaps have said "really poor bass correction and NO correction in the sub channel". Either way, it strikes me as pretty much useless given that it's the bass that needs the correction. I thought it was clear what I meant from the context, but forgive me if it wasn't. People really should read what I mean not what I type! LOL...

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Originally Posted by krabapple View Post

FWIW, I owned several Pioneer Elite line AVRs over a decade or so, and recently switched to a Denon with MultiXT 32 because I wanted subwoofer channel correction. I don't regret it. That said, I miss being able to store *6 different* room EQ settings, as I could with my Pioneers.

Yes - that would be a fabulous addition to MultEQ!
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post #51628 of 62259
3/13/12 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by allsop4now View Post

So, is XT audibly (and measurably) better than XT32?

Other way around. And yes.
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post #51629 of 62259
3/13/12 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Oh yeah, Harrison, building your own subs is sooo entry level.

Jeff

Heh, heh, ... point taken. Though that's really a different hobby, puttering in my workshop. Also, in my defense, after my third attempt at building a sub, I got it right and so have not done more in that regard for several years. Getting it right means two large sealed box subs.

Harrison
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3/13/12 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

... In my small room, if I use all 32 positions, there won't be any possibility, ever, of changing mic placements...

Don't limit yourself, my friend. Did your Pro kit not come with a copy of my infamous "Audyssey Pro Mic Position Kamasutra"?
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