Makes sense. I was hoping it was inactive.
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Makes sense. I was hoping it was inactive.
Interesting reads, in case you don't subscribe to Playback Magazine:
Well, the resources are there but I guess we can't force people to make use of them - horse to water etc. I suspect your conclusion is correct - for every user who ignores all the help that is available in the Guide and the FAQ, there is one who makes the most of them. I hope so anyway! I think we have just had a flurry of inexperienced users, all at once, and it's given a bad impression.
Thanks for that, Jeff. Much appreciated, amigo.
It's not just the lack of bass correction that makes 2EQ a very basic implementation of Audyssey. Take a look at the FAQ answer wrt to MultEQ differences for an example of the different filter resolutions between the different versions of MultEQ:
MultEQ corrects (creates filters) down to the -3dB response of the speakers in the room. If Audyssey detects that the -3dB in-room response of the speakers in question is 60Hz, then it will create filters for the entire FR down to 60Hz. The main problem with 2EQ is that the lack of filter resolution (compared with the other versions - see the chart in the FAQ answer) gives a fairly 'coarse' correction to the room issues detected. FWIW, I would pass on 2EQ personally and go for at the very least MultEQ. Given that XT is available in fairly low cost AVRs, a unit which features XT would be the best investment where subs are not an issue, IMO.
Jeff - the Linky links are not coming out right. Look at this one for example, copied and pasted from Linky-9:
[URL="http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51780#user_h2"]2. What is the difference between the various versions of MultEQ? (click here)[/URL]
The url is correct and clicking it takes the user to the relevant FAQ section - it's just displaying wrong.
I couldn't figure out what to do to fix it - any ideas?
Not as far as I know. Are you perhaps thinking of the Onkyo 818 which has XT32 but which does not EQ two subs as one? It still EQs the bass of course with the full 512x filter resolution. AFAIK there is no version of XT32 which excludes sub equalisation. A little fact-checking prior to posting goes a long way ;) If you are convinced that you are correct, then please post the evidence and I will update the FAQ as needed.
The 818 is specifically referenced in the FAQ section dealing with dual subs.
I suspect he is thinking of the Onkyo 818 which does have XT32, does of course EQ the bass but does not EQ two subs together. As you know, XT32 measures the levels and delays of each sub independently but then EQs the two subs together, as a pair. The 818 EQs the bass but does not EQ the two subs together, so it requires the 'Y-cord' solution referenced in the FAQ. It is quite wrong of the OP to say that there is a version of XT32 which excludes sub EQ, and just as wrong to say there are factual errors in the FAQ. My view is that the 818 has been much maligned for this minor exclusion - it represents fantastic value at about $1,000 with XT32. Anyone with only one sub lacks nothing at all of course, and those with two subs lack very little IMO - if the two subs are similar and roughly equidistant from the MLP, then the Y-cord solution works very well indeed. This was all done to death a while back in the thread as you will recall.
100% concurred. The 818 is fabulous value at about a grand for a unit with XT32. Audyssey doesn't make a fantastic job of setting sub distances anyway, which is why many of us have to manually tweak the sub distances post-EQ to get the bass to perform properly. And of course, as distance is measured only once, during the first measurement, and from the MLP, it is correct only for one seat in any case. Anyone sitting in another seat will, by definition, have a 'wrong' sub distance/delay for their seat.
I agree totally with your conclusion: if you believe that you need to EQ two subs which are at very different distances from the MLP, then you need a different unit, and one which will cost you double what the 818 costs. If, OTOH, you don't need to do that, you are WAY better off buying the 818 with XT32 than a comparably priced unit with just XT. It seems like the 818 is a massive bargain to me. (Although I'd spring a few extra bucks for the Denon 4311 personally).