"Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #1) - Page 1964

Your case is somewhat different, because the gap (if any) between the 120Hz setting that Audyssey determined, and the 80Hz that you set, is much smaller. Most subs will continue to have output at 120Hz, so I would recommend keeping the 120Hz crossover for the mains. JMHO.

Audyssey set my mains and center to 40Hz, and surrounds to 60Hz. Is this normal and should I leave it or bump it to 80Hz?

 

Conventional wisdom would be to increase the crossovers to 80 Hz.  The speakers should be set to "small", which routes frequencies below the crossover to the sub channel.  The sub is much more capable of handling bass frequencies, regardless of the type or brand of your main speakers.

I can accomodate Wides, but one of them would have to be near the hinge of a door. As long as that door isn't opened more than 90 degrees, all is good. But if that door flies open and swings a full 180 degrees, my Wide speaker would be converted from bookshelf to in-wall.

 

Hmm. Interesting. Probably makes no big difference. If it was me, I'd measure with and without the obstruction and see if there was a difference. Anyone? If in doubt why not just stick a simple platform under the sub anyway?

 

c)2.   Why do I often see advice to raise the Crossovers to 80Hz?

c)4.   Is it OK to change the Crossovers from Audyssey's recommendation?

 

:)  I know this problem well. I would suggest some means of stopping the opening of the door at 90 degrees - maybe a floor stop?

Look at installing something that stops the door at its TOP. A stop on the floor can be a tripping hazard ... unless no one goes to that part of the room.

Hopefully someone can assist me with this Audyssey Setup confusion. Equipment is a Denon 3312ci receiver.

I'm running the Audyssey setup for 8 locations (MultiEQ XT) then checking speaker parameters after. All speaker distances are good. Here's all my settings post setup. Hope this makes sense to all viewing this. I need the help!


1. Checking the post settings in "system setup" > "speaker setup" > "auto setup" > "parameter check" > "speaker config. check"

2. I went back out to Speaker Setup and made these following changes under "speaker config."

3. I also went into "speaker setup" > "crossover freq." > "advanced" and set these:

Now if back all the way out of the system setup and back into it to confirm the settings I just set I get the following below. I can't understand why are the settings not reflecting/holding what I just changed, here's what is still listed


4. Back to Confirm in "system setup" > "speaker setup" > "auto setup" > "parameter check" > "Speaker Config. Check".


5. Back to Confirm in "system setup" > "speaker setup" > "auto setup" > "parameter check" > "Crossover Freq. Check".


Why is this happening? I just made those corrections in System Setup and their not holding the changes. Please, any suggestions. Is it something procedural? I'm I missing some step?

 

Good point - in my case the stop is on the floor *behind* the door not too far from the wall, so it would be hard to trip over it. But yes, point taken. One thing that is worse than a door hitting your speaker is a 180 pound guy as he crashes to the ground 

It's a Denon thing not really an Audyssey thing, so one of the Denon gurus will no doubt step in and say what you need to do 'fix' the changes.

 

You might care to set the XOs rather higher than 60Hz, regardless of what the speaker manufacturers say the speaker can do. A good sub will always, always outperform a speaker in the below 100Hz are IME. I have very capable M&K S150 speakers but I use a 100 Hz XO for the mains and a 120 Hz XO for the equally capable M&K SS150 tripole surrounds. The more you relieve the main speakers from the 'heavy lifting' of bass duties, the less strain they need to take and the better you will find they perform at the higher frequencies. It also relieves your amp of some strain too as it takes a lot og power to reproduce low frequencies at the high SPLs demanded in movies.

cyberguy -- The parameter check will ALWAYS show the results of the measurements from the auto setup calibration. It is just a "report card" of what was measured. It's there as a reference only.

The active settings are in System Setup > Speaker Setup. When you finish auto setup, the values from the calibration are transferred over to Speaker Setup, but any changes you then make will override these values and be active. This allows you to maintain the reference and "restore" these values in the parameter check if you want to revert back to the post-calibration status.

Also, a minor point, but if you are going to set all crossovers to the same value there is no reason to use "Advanced", that's only needed to allow separate crossover freq's for each speaker.

That clears it up, simply stated! I will go back in and make the XO settings all one setting of 80 or 100Hz and not use the "Advanced" as you stated.

I'm also having sub setup issues, but I'm trying to weed any procedural items out before I post those problems...Ugh.

 

Batpig has the right answer, of course.  Looking at it in a slightly different manner, say you were tweaking the settings and didn't like the result.  So you ask yourself, "What were the settings before I started making all these changes?"  The answer is in "Parameter Check", because these values stay the same until you run a fresh Audyssey calibration.  And there is even a handy "Restore Defaults" button if you want to erase all the changes you have made.

 

It is truly a thing of beauty!

You are correct, it is always good to revert to those speaker parameters! Thanks for the added details! You guys rock.

thnks i was wondering about this. i did advanced now i'll do one setting

I thought "Advanced" was used if for example you want to change the crossovers of all the speakers to the same value vs having to change them individually.

It's the exact opposite. "Advanced" allows you to change them individually, otherwise the frequency selected (e.g. 80Hz) applies globally to all speakers.

So if I use Advanced and set to 80 for example that means all speakers will be set at 80? Then what happens when you set them without Advanced?

You aren't following... you have an AVR-1611 right?

When you go into Speaker Setup and then select the "Crossover Frequency" menu, you are presented with a scrolling list of options:

(snipped from the manual):



If you just select a number (e.g. 80Hz, 90Hz, etc) than that is the crossover for ALL speakers. If you keep scrolling eventually you hit the "Advanced" option. When you get to Advanced, then a new list of options will appear below, listing each speaker channel and a separate crossover value for each one, allowing them to tailor them individually.

So your question doesn't even make sense. You can't "use Advanced and then set to 80", because Advanced implies that you get multiple options (one for each speaker). If you just pick one number, then you aren't in "Advanced" crossover mode.

BTW -- there is NO DIFFERENCE between selecting "80Hz" or selecting "Advanced" and then setting each speaker individually to 80Hz. The only reason I made the suggestion above was because if you are going to set the same crossover freq for all speakers, it's much quicker to just set it once.

I do have the 1611 but when I pick advanced it lets me select the number I pick say 80,120 etc and that sets all the speakers to that one number. Crossover mode sets them individually.

hmmm... I think the confusion here is over how the OSD operates. I don't know exactly how the OSD looks on your 1611 when you are in the crossover menu but I think you are reversed in your thinking. Can you snap a photo of your TV screen when the OSD is open to the crossover menu and post it here?

My gut feeling is that when you think you are "picking advanced" you are actually EXITING advanced mode. When you see the crossovers listed individually, is it listed vertically (e.g. you are scrolling up/down to each speaker)? And then it says "Advanced" at the top? And what you refer to as "picking advanced" means you scroll up to the top and then arrow left/right?

 

Yes, I wish Onkyo would copy that idea.

Quick Q. I've read through the FAQ and this forum, but can't pin something down. It might not really matter idk.

Using a Denon AVR-1713 and take classic 5.1 (i know...). Followed guidelines on setting up, good there. Audyssey has settled on setting crossover individually to 80Front/90Center/80Surround. Room acoustics/speaker placement obviously come into play. I can raise that value to ~120 per speaker and I have as the Take bass is weak for obvious reasons. The LPF Hz knob on the sub is still @ 150 per Audyssey set-up guidelines. My question...do I turn that dial back to 120Hz post-audyssey calibration or does it not matter since the AVR has taken over the bass management? I guess worded another way, with the crossover set to 120Hz in the AVR will everything 120Hz and < get sent to the sub? Do I make sense. pre-Apologies for my "layman-istic" inquiry.

If you are using a sub in the LFE channel. as you are supposed to, then don't fiddle with the controls on the sub except for volume maybe.
The sub should have its filters set to the highest possible value or disengaged all together. because your AVR is in command not your sub.
I wouldn't raise the crossover frequencies recommended by Audyssey either, because going higher there will make your subs position audible, which should be avoided if possible.
Edited by gurkey - 1/11/13 at 12:52am

Hi to all in the life saving Audyssey thread, after skimming through and getting solid tips on my debut with RC , I'm down to two things I'm still a little confused about, one is the sub recommended "0" level , I haven't found out what the benefit is other than the need to turn the sub down:rolleyes: I have a Marantz 8801 and the sub is the DXD 12012, the sub has reference settings already marked on the back and I'm told these work best with calibration. After running Audyssey a few times I come in at -11.0 and sometimes -10.5 which sounds great and I don't raise the level for movie playback.

Now the next question deals with levels and distance variations within .1 for distance to .5 for levels after calibrations is not recommended to change these will they alter the calibration Audyssey has taken?

Thanks!

The 120Hz setting on the AVR only applies to the LFE signal (ie. the .1 in DD/DTS 5.1/7.1) which only goes up to 120Hz so no, leave the sub frequency knob alone.

You subs volume is to hot. Its setting is now hitting (almost) the limits of correction of the Audyssey measurement process.
No matter what the subs manual says the subs volume should be reduced accordingly to the value stated by the Audyssey measurement process.
If it's at the 12 o'clock position right now then turn it counterclockwise to the 9 o'clock and remeasure.
But there should be a volume setting step for the subs already at the beginning of the XT32 measurement procedure.

I did try it at 76db during the initial pulse and after correction was done the setting was -6.5 for the sub, what I'm trying to understand is the downside of the -11.0 setting after calibration being that it still didn't hit the limit of -12, I've been going back and forth on this trying to get some clear answers, it was recommended by another member of another forum who spoke with Ken K. to run the sub hot at 85-90db durning the calibration as it would give Audyssey more sub info to work with at the loudest levels of playback or reference and let Audyssey adjust it down to 75db after calibration. If I understand for the sub is 85db plus the 20db of headroom the standard ? The result is supposed to give a smoother measurement? I don't have the Pro Kit as of yet but it will sure be another can of worms for sure!

Running the sub hot during calibration may get Audyssey better data, but only if there is unavoidable background noise in the lowest frequencies, and Aud should warn you if that is the case. Sending a low level out of the AVR can allow noise pickup to be more significant (all leads pickup interference, but its not a problem as long as the signal is much larger, S/N ratio).
If you are using Auto switch on mode on the sub, it may not detect the input signal until a louder passage is played, the auto circuitry samples the actual input, not the sub amp output, obviously.
Most posters seem to end up with sub gain set well below half way, it appears to be normal.
Regards, Mike.