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post #54391 of 70896
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Originally Posted by bym051d View Post

The guide is great. However, I'm not sure I understand "Filter Resolution." What is it and why is 512x > 16x > 2x?

That's a great question. Someone please explain. The Audyssey site is not clear on this.
post #54392 of 70896
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Originally Posted by bym051d View Post

The guide is great. However, I'm not sure I understand "Filter Resolution." What is it and why is 512x > 16x > 2x?

Try here. http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/tour Notice all the points on the second graphic. Simply put 512x has many more correction points to better smooth the response than 16x/2x.
post #54393 of 70896
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Originally Posted by MCF34 View Post

Offset?? When I check Audio input signal I am seeing an Offset Level of -8db. What does this mean? Is it adjustable or pre-set by source or something else?

As ccotenj pointed out in the Denon XX12 Owner's thread you posted to as well, this is the "Dialogue Normalization" (aka DialNorm) setting that is embedded in DD audio tracks. The offset cannot be adjusted on your model (although a new feature in the new 2012 Denon/Marantz AVRs allows it to be disabled) and generally ranges from -4db (average) to usually no more than -10db depending on the mixer.
post #54394 of 70896
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Originally Posted by IceTBC View Post

Try here. http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/tour Notice all the points on the second graphic. Simply put 512x has many more correction points to better smooth the response than 16x/2x.

That makes complete sense, thanks.
post #54395 of 70896
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Although I agree in regards to trusting the final speaker/sub trim levels after running Audyssey as well as not using the Rat Shack SPL meter for the sub as you suggest, it's important to note that the manual test tone on MTG34's Denon is put out at 75db, and any adjustments that the Denon has made to his speakers/sub trim levels after running Audyssey would also be applied when using the manual test tone (ie. if the sub is set to -7db after Audyssey, then the sub test tone is also attenuated by 7db).

 



Hi JD - just for the avoidance of doubt in my own mind, are you saying that the Denon will output the test tones after Audyssey filtration has been applied?  This was not my understanding. AFAIK, the test tones bypass Audyssey - so if Audyssey has made any significant adjustments to any part of the FR, then this will affect the reading won't it?  I mean, if, for example, Audyssey has applied a (theoretical) 6dB boost between 200Hz and 1000Hz, that will surely affect the in-room dB overall level, and that actual in-room level will not be reflected in the test tones if they are 'pre-Audyssey adjustment'? confused.gif

post #54396 of 70896
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Sorry for the confusion. What I was trying to say is that although the Audyssey "filtering" is not applied to the manual test tones, the trim level set by the AVR after running Audyssey "is" still applied to the manual test tone (eg. if a speaker's trim is set to -5db after running Audyssey, then when the manual test tone is played for that speaker, that same -5db attenuation is applied).
post #54397 of 70896
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

if, for example, Audyssey has applied a (theoretical) 6dB boost between 200Hz and 1000Hz, that will surely affect the in-room dB overall level,

MultEQ filters respect C-weighted SPL by design.
post #54398 of 70896
What Audyssey feature can cause sub to make your ear ring? Is it Multeq or DynamicEQ?
post #54399 of 70896
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

What Audyssey feature can cause sub to make your ear ring? Is it Multeq or DynamicEQ?

 

Your volume control.  :)

post #54400 of 70896
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

What Audyssey feature can cause sub to make your ear ring? Is it Multeq or DynamicEQ?

Mult EQ must be enabled in order to use Dyn EQ which boosts the bass/surround audio at below reference level volumes (ie. < 0db). You can turn Dyn EQ OFF by source to confirm if that is causing your issue.
post #54401 of 70896
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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

Your volume control.  smile.gif

Volume control is not the issue I listen at moderate levels.
post #54402 of 70896
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Originally Posted by asere View Post


Volume control is not the issue I listen at moderate levels.


If you turn Audyssey off the problem goes away?

post #54403 of 70896
Just looking for some input on my sub situation:

I have three Cambridge Soundworks PS1-A subs (sealed 12") behind my recliners (very tight fit) and two MFW-15s (ported 15") along my front wall running off an Onkyo 5508.

I have the MFWs 2-way split off one of the sub outputs and the CSW subs 3-way split off the other sub output.

As far as I understand with this setup, the 5508 will simply adjust each group of subs as if each group were a single sub. My concern is whether or not each group of subs is set up optimally. Other than level matching, is there anything I can do to each of the sub groups to improve the sound. What about phasing?

It sounds good, but we all know the burning question: "Could I tweek something to make it sound better?"
post #54404 of 70896
Well I reran Audyssey with what others have advised - mic at least 16" from back of couch and a couple inches above couch cushions on the back of the couch. First reading at MLP (center of couch), positions 2 and 3 24" to either side of MLP, positions 4,5 and 6 24" in front of the first three. Positions 7 and 8 between the other two rows. Eq curves are coming out almost IDENTICAL to every other time I have run Audyssey. No difference. For grins here is a pic of my front wall taken from back wall and a pick of my back wall taken from front wall. Re-positions anything is not an option and should not be required. Any final suggestions before I start the rip and tear process?

I have no idea why it flips the images when I upload them...

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post #54405 of 70896
Hey!

I have a Denon 2112 and I finally added 2 more speakers to my system, to turn it into a 7.2.

Audyssey is NOT shooting pink noises through my Rear surrounds for calibration.

They are connected right, and I've set the speakers to "Normal", so it shows a 7.1 system on the screen.

I manually turned 2 rear surrounds on, yet audyssey isn't using them to adjust them.

I use 2 subwoofers, attached to the LFE port via a RCA splitter.


I am using DefTech Bi-Polar surrounds in the back.

Thanks!

Also, I assumed I have to have both subs ON when I am running audyssey, correct?

Ray
post #54406 of 70896
^ when you first start the Auto Setup, there is a button called "channel select". When you select this button it shows you which channels Audyssey will measure. Are the Surround Back speakers selected?
post #54407 of 70896
As the FAQ said, my Marantz set my mains as large when I ran Audyssey. I set them as small, but how do I determine the crossover? It was at 40hz, which my mains can do -3db@36Hz. Is that where I should it or should I put them at 60Hz to let my sub handle more?

It also put my center and surrounds at 60 Hz and their -3db is at 60 and 63 Hz, respectively. Shoul I leave them alone or bump them to 80 to let the sub do more?
post #54408 of 70896
^^^

i would start with all of them at 80....
post #54409 of 70896
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

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i would start with all of them at 80....

I would also do as Chris suggests, set all to 80 Hz and to verify why, here's an interesting read: Small vs. Large
post #54410 of 70896
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

What Audyssey feature can cause sub to make your ear ring? Is it Multeq or DynamicEQ?

Hi asere, ear ringing is a very serious issue, in other words called tinnitus! Are you suffering from that? Actually I've never heard or read anything about tinnitus related to Audyssey. Audyssey is a software that can hardy cause tinnitus. May I ask you how this question came up?
post #54411 of 70896
Hey guys, just got my onkyo 1009 to replace a defective 876. Recently did Audyssey setup and had a few questions.

When I place mic in different positions where should I place them.. for the first spot i put it in the center of the room, second i put it main listening area and third spot i put it on the other sofa listening area thats kind of off to the side and not in front of the center speaker. not sure if that was correct thing to do or not.

My current 7.1 setup is..
Fronts Klipsch RF82
Center Klipsch RC62
Surrounds Klipsch RS52
Rear Surrounds RF15
Subwoofer SVS PB13 Ultra

In the future I want to add some Klipsch RB61 bookshelf speakers for front highs.

Here are some of my results and how I have it setup..

Front Full Band
Center 50Hz
Surround 70Hz
Surround Back 50Hz
Surround Back 2Ch
LPF of LFE 120Hz
Double Bass on
Subwoofer Phase 0

Speaker Distance

Left 6.5
Center 6
Right 6.5
Surround Right 10
Surround Back Right 8.5
Surround Back Left 8
Surround Left 7
Sub 9

Level Calibration
Left -9.5dB
Center -12.0dB
Right -11.5dB
Surround Right -9.0dB
Surround Back Right -5.5dB
Surround Back Left -6.5dB
Surround Left -9.5dB
Sub +7.5dB

for the sub I think I bumped it up in the other menu.

Seems to me that the level calibration is quite high? not sure what could cause this. Any help would be great, Thanks smile.gif
post #54412 of 70896
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Originally Posted by freshane View Post

Hey guys, just got my onkyo 1009 to replace a defective 876. Recently did Audyssey setup and had a few questions.

I would healthfully recommend you to read the Audyssey Setup Guide and the Audyssey FAQs. It's worth a million, all your questions are answered and more. smile.gif

Both you can find in my sig.
post #54413 of 70896
Ok. What am I doing wrong? My system sounds too bright with Audyssey on. Last night while watching Super 8 I couldn't stand it and had to turn Audyssey off. I know wonen are more sensitive to brightness but this is really unlistenable to me. Any suggestions?

Edit: just a thought. My ceilings are sloped. From 8' to 10' foot back to front Should I angle the mic to be at 90 degrees with the slope?
Edited by wingnut4772 - 6/10/12 at 5:53am
post #54414 of 70896
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Originally Posted by mogorf View Post

Hi asere, ear ringing is a very serious issue, in other words called tinnitus! Are you suffering from that? Actually I've never heard or read anything about tinnitus related to Audyssey. Audyssey is a software that can hardy cause tinnitus. May I ask you how this question came up?

all this began because the sub is localized.
post #54415 of 70896
"Ringing in the ears" which can be heard at all times is often a side effect of permanent noise induced hearing loss -- perhaps caused by attending too many rock concerts or by constantly listening to ear-buds turned up too loud.

"Ringing in the ears" which can be heard only when your hifi system is active is most likely due to a defect somewhere in the equipment: something is oscillating at a high frequency. If it's coming from one or more speaker drivers, it's most likely due to an electronics failure in a receiver, amp or player. If it can be heard in one of the electronics boxes and not the speakers, something in that box is vibrating. In either case, after determining which box is causing it, you'll need to replace that piece of equipment or get it repaired.

Ground loop hum usually is at a relatively low frequency: 50 - 100Hz or 60 - 120Hz depending on where you live.
post #54416 of 70896
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Originally Posted by mogorf View Post

I would also do as Chris suggests, set all to 80 Hz and to verify why, here's an interesting read: Small vs. Large
I think the listening level you enjoy the most should be factored in also as far your frequency cutoffs and speaker settings small or large .
post #54417 of 70896
^^^

why?
post #54418 of 70896
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

I think the listening level you enjoy the most should be factored in also as far your frequency cutoffs and speaker settings small or large .

IMHO, the listening level makes no difference when we talk about small vs. large (aka localization). It is related to wavelenghts vs. the distance between our two ears. I can't imagine changing small to large back and forth as a function of level setting on the AVR. How about soft and loud parts that belong to the same MV setting?
Edited by mogorf - 6/10/12 at 10:23am
post #54419 of 70896
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

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why?

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Originally Posted by mogorf View Post

IMHO, the listening level makes no difference when we talk about small vs. large (aka localization). It is related to wavelenghts vs. the distance between our two ears. I can't imagine changing small to large back and forth as a function of level setting on the AVR. How about soft and loud parts that belong to the same MV setting?
Well it should make a difference IMHO because when your listening at a higher reference level and your speakers are set to large and frequency cutoff at say 50 or 60hz your asking your speakers to handle more of the lower lfe and can have the tendency to start pushing them at there limits and distortion could start becoming a factor were as if your letting your sub or subs handle the low lfe at higher listening levels it should sound cleaner with less distortion. Thats why I beleive what reference level you have can and should make a difference. At lower listening levels speakers set at large could sound really good deppending on your speakers of course .
post #54420 of 70896
^^^

WTF has happened to this thread?

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