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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Sorry, I did not know that.

You wouldn't know till you try it, its not like its in the manual, or batpigs "try this" for that problem, but maybe it should, I know it works with onkyo, but not denon... But the list could be longer.
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Something else was obviously wrong. The recommended course of action is to find out what's wrong not game the system in a way that ignores the problem.

Jeff
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Something else was obviously wrong. The recommended course of action is to find out what's wrong not game the system in a way that ignores the problem.
Jeff

Honest advice, Jeff.
post #56854 of 70896
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Something else was obviously wrong. The recommended course of action is to find out what's wrong not game the system in a way that ignores the problem.
Jeff

I know what I like, and now I got it, whats wrong with that? There really wasn't any audible problems before, only with audyssey on caused the audible discomfort. Sure I know theres something in my HT mix that needed to be corrected and that can be done in many different ways.. I found a fix / patch that is cost effective and I feel that really works for my needs. I think I should get a little credit for my ingenuity. In this game its not your way or the highway... My way didn't ignore the problem, it hit it straight on like a shot gun blast at point blank range.

If I said it took $1500 in room treatments to fix this, would I of gotten the nod of approval?

Most people who have used audyssey have bitched about it in one way or another at sometime.. For me, any fix that works is a good fix, and if it didn't cost me anything than its that much better !

I'm just passing my findings on to others who are in the same boat as I, use at your own risk..
Edited by joehonest - 10/4/12 at 7:20am
post #56855 of 70896
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

I know what I like, and now I got it, whats wrong with that? There really wasn't any audible problems before, only with audyssey on caused the audible discomfort. Sure I know theres something in this HT mix that needed to be corrected and that can be done in many different ways.. I found a fix / patch that is cost effective and I feel that really works for my needs. I think I should get a little credit for my ingenuity. In this game its not your way or the highway... My way didn't ignore the problem, it hit it straight on like a shot gun blast at point blank range.
If I said it took $1500 of room treatments to fix this, would I of gotten the nod of approval?

What you did to "resolve" the issue is the equivalent of cutting off your arm to cure a hangnail. No credit due.
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Originally Posted by splatee View Post

Thanks for all the fast replies everyone.

I am going to give it a few days of listening and give myself a chance to adjust. I only spent a few minutes listening to it after running Audyssey.

Once againg thanks to everyone for the help and all the great info on this site.

Could also try the "music" curve which is flat and does not have high freq roll-off.  Maybe that is more to your liking.

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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

Could also try the "music" curve which is flat and does not have high freq roll-off.  Maybe that is more to your liking.

Music surround modes also spead the center or vocales differently than movie surround modes. The mains will have more to do with what you hear in many music modes, which is a good thing, if the center is doing more harm than good... This is very clear with 2.0 inputs.
Edited by joehonest - 10/4/12 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

It's not super critical to get the level at exactly 75dB on that first Audyssey screen. The idea is to get it to 75dB so Audyssey can set the trim later to something appropriate - between -3.5dB and +3.5dB is the usual range suggested. 

I would set the sub to about 78/79dB initially and then run Audyssey and see what trims it gives - if the sub is in that -3.5dB to +3.dB range, you're done.

You can do a quick 'n dirty test by putting the Audyssy mic at the MLP, running the minimum number of positions (3) without moving the mic and then seeing the trim for the bass. If it;'s OK, then run Audyssey using all positions as normal. 

Please report back your findings and if necessary we can dig a little deeper. I suspect you will be OK.

Thanks - I adjusted the B&W PVD1 by it's max volume trim by -6db - this allowed Audyssey to run as it showed a level of around 77db or just a little less. I checked the Denon channel levels and it showed that all the M-1s had been increased between 3db to .5db while the subwoofer had been decreased by 4db. The -4db is just outside the parameters you mentioned of + or - 3.5db. Do I need to try any other adjustments and re-run Audyssey to try to get the subwoofer adjustment from -4db down to 3.5db or less or the - 4db is ok?

Hi - sorry for late reply - I have been away for a few days without a net connection. No need to do anything - -4dB is just fine. You are good to go!

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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

Could also try the "music" curve which is flat and does not have high freq roll-off.  Maybe that is more to your liking.

Music surround modes also spead the center or vocales differently than movie surround modes. The mains will have more to do with what you hear in many music modes, which is a good thing, if the center is doing more harm than good... This is very clear with 2.0 inputs.

I wasn't referring to the Music Surround Modes, but rather the chosen Audyssey curve.  I believe in most Onkyo's where you have a choice the flat curve is called Music and the reference curve with high freq roll-off is called Movie.

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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

Music surround modes also spead the center or vocales differently than movie surround modes.
Only if you want it that way. If not, you can adjust the centre spread so that all the centre imaged content comes from the centre speaker. PLIIx, for example, has a Centre Spread parameter that gives you 7 steps of adjustment, from full centre extraction (like movie surround modes) to no extraction (centre imaged info comes from L/R speakers), or somewhere in between (spread to all 3 front speakers).

Besides, PTG already mentioned that his comment was about the music EQ curve, not music surround mode, so no need for me to go further into that.
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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

I wasn't referring to the Music Surround Modes, but rather the chosen Audyssey curve.  I believe in most Onkyo's where you have a choice the flat curve is called Music and the reference curve with high freq roll-off is called Movie.

The onkyo has RE-EQ on/off in most movie modes. The Audyssey curve music / movie are tied to the sound modes with the 5007, The newer onkyos / Audyssey do offer that feature in its self. I tried them all.. But still for me no Audyssey curve/ fitlers for only the center sounds the clearest, but the subs, mains and rears all do benefit from Audyssey. I'm happy onkyo allows me this tweak.. I see the new Audyssey software suite now has a "Dialogue Enhancer" feature, Its good to see Audyssey listens to the needs and crys from there users... A good reason to upgrade, If I haven't found this tweak, it would of been well worth the cost just for the new "Dialogue Enhancer" feature..
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

I know what I like, and now I got it, whats wrong with that? There really wasn't any audible problems before, only with audyssey on caused the audible discomfort. Sure I know theres something in my HT mix that needed to be corrected and that can be done in many different ways.. I found a fix / patch that is cost effective and I feel that really works for my needs. I think I should get a little credit for my ingenuity. In this game its not your way or the highway... My way didn't ignore the problem, it hit it straight on like a shot gun blast at point blank range.
If I said it took $1500 in room treatments to fix this, would I of gotten the nod of approval?
Most people who have used audyssey have bitched about it in one way or another at sometime.. For me, any fix that works is a good fix, and if it didn't cost me anything than its that much better !
I'm just passing my findings on to others who are in the same boat as I, use at your own risk..
"Most people?" rolleyes.gif

I'm glad you're happy, but don't kid yourself. You did not fix the problem, you fixed the symptom. And my deja vu tells me that this will be my last comment on your "fix." Unless you bring it up yet again in another six months.
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Hey Joe,

I have the new Onkyo 818 and I would like to explore this 'Dialogue Enhancer' feature that you've found. Could you point me to it as I don't see it offered in any of the Audyssey menus.

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

Hey Joe,
I have the new Onkyo 818 and I would like to explore this 'Dialogue Enhancer' feature that you've found. Could you point me to it as I don't see it offered in any of the Audyssey menus.
Thanks.

Not Joe (thank goodness), but he may have been referring to a feature on the new Denon 4520 AVR. I think this is a Denon technology, not an Audyssey technology. If it were from Audyssey, their marketing department would have made us well aware of it.
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

"Most people?" rolleyes.gif
I'm glad you're happy, but don't kid yourself. You did not fix the problem, you fixed the symptom. And my deja vu tells me that this will be my last comment on your "fix." Unless you bring it up yet again in another six months.
Its the best I can do for now with what I have and it seems to do the trick, like I said, this has bugged me for years....

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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

Hey Joe,
I have the new Onkyo 818 and I would like to explore this 'Dialogue Enhancer' feature that you've found. Could you point me to it as I don't see it offered in any of the Audyssey menus.
Thanks.

I saw the new denon 4520ci has it along with other Audyssey menu goodies,,
check it out @
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430049/the-official-denon-avr-4520ci-thread
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Maybe their "Dialog Enhancer" just turns Audyssey off for the CC?

J
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

Its the best I can do for now with what I have and it seems to do the trick, like I said, this has bugged me for years....

Had you ever tried determining the problem, or maybe took measurements to post so others could help?

Jeff
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Maybe their "Dialog Enhancer" just turns Audyssey off for the CC?
J

I like this guy;)
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Had you ever tried determining the problem, or maybe took measurements to post so others could help?
Jeff

I wish I could post some techy print out to be analyzed.
I believe its some phasing cancellation, but not at all frequencies, due to being 3way speakers for mains and cc.
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Since dialog is 99% in the center channel I don't think it is a problem with interactions with the mains.

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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

I wish I could post some techy print out to be analyzed.
I believe its some phasing cancellation, but not at all frequencies, due to being 3way speakers for mains and cc.

Have you had the problem with more than one speaker/speaker system?
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Had you ever tried determining the problem, or maybe took measurements to post so others could help?
Jeff

That would be a relatively simple assessment with an OmniMic or REW measurement kit, and a frequency sweep on a Frequency Response graph:
a) Run test tones wirh the center channel with PLII Cinema and Ausyssey Off (other speakers off)
b) Repeat with Audyssey on, and Dialog Enhancer, DEQ and DOL off
c) Repeat with above, but Dialog Enhancer on, DEQ and DVOL off

If you overlay these three graphs, you'll see what Audyssey and/or Dialog Enhancer is or isn't doing, and whether Dialog Enhancer is effectively turning off center channel Audyssey.
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I was joking. I doubt that any licensee has implemented a "Dialog Enhancer" that disables Audyssey on the center channel. smile.gif
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^^
That's a relief. For a second I thought you had a personality shift:eek:
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

The onkyo has RE-EQ on/off in most movie modes. The Audyssey curve music / movie are tied to the sound modes with the 5007,

 

 

That is not correct.  Re-EQ is always off unless you are in a THX mode. If you use THX and therefore Re-EQ, you need to ensure that the Audyssey Music/Flat curve is used in order to avoid a double roll off at the HF end. In all other (non-THX modes) the music/movie curves have nothing at all to do with the sound modes (and they are not really "tied to" them ever).

 

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But still for me no Audyssey curve/ fitlers for only the center sounds the clearest, but the subs, mains and rears all do benefit from Audyssey. I'm happy onkyo allows me this tweak..

 

I'd prefer to find out what is causing the problem rather than have no room correction on the all-important centre channel.

 

 

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I see the new Audyssey software suite now has a "Dialogue Enhancer" feature, Its good to see Audyssey listens to the needs and crys from there users... A good reason to upgrade, If I haven't found this tweak, it would of been well worth the cost just for the new "Dialogue Enhancer" feature..

 

What is the "new Audyssey software suite"? ITYF that the Dialogue Enhancer is something in your particular AVR.

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Wow, i never expected the definition for ITYF would be on the Net, but it is.

see here: http://www.internetslang.com/ITYF-meaning-definition.asp

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Originally Posted by Gellidius View Post

Wow, i never expected the definition for ITYF would be on the Net, but it is.

see here: http://www.internetslang.com/ITYF-meaning-definition.asp

 

LOL. Good find, that site.

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Originally Posted by Gellidius View Post

Wow, i never expected the definition for ITYF would be on the Net, but it is.
see here: http://www.internetslang.com/ITYF-meaning-definition.asp

LOL. Good find, that site.
Great, you just gave Keith more ammo...


tongue.gif


Max
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post


What is the "new Audyssey software suite"? ITYF that the Dialogue Enhancer is something in your particular AVR.

+1

Neither the new "Dialogue Level" on the Denon XX13 models nor the "Dialogue Enhancer" setting on the 4520CI appear to be related to Audyssey in any fashion.
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

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Originally Posted by Gellidius View Post

Wow, i never expected the definition for ITYF would be on the Net, but it is.
see here: http://www.internetslang.com/ITYF-meaning-definition.asp

LOL. Good find, that site.
Great, you just gave Keith more ammo...


tongue.gif


Max

 

LOL! IMHO IDK if I need more ammo to use TLAs! :)

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