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post #57721 of 70890
what, you didn't read the part in the FAQ about having too much furniture in your room? rolleyes.giftongue.gif
post #57722 of 70890
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

what, you didn't read the part in the FAQ about having too much furniture in your room? rolleyes.giftongue.gif

96% of the calculation is done in the last 4% of the time. Or there could be something wrong ... wink.gif
post #57723 of 70890
Too many Ottomans.
post #57724 of 70890
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

what, you didn't read the part in the FAQ about having too much furniture in your room? rolleyes.giftongue.gif

 

LOL!!!

 

j) 1. Which items of my furniture should I throw out first when I use Audyssey?

post #57725 of 70890
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Originally Posted by jonathanc View Post

Too many Ottomans.

They did have an empire at one time.
post #57726 of 70890
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

LOL!!!

j) 1. Which items of my furniture should I throw out first when I use Audyssey?

The one the WIFE enjoys more!
post #57727 of 70890
Thanks asere for your answer!

I'm pretty sure that there is something wrong with the unit, but it is worth to check for other possibilities before getting the Denon back for service and waiting 2 weeks to get it fixed... frown.gif

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

what, you didn't read the part in the FAQ about having too much furniture in your room? rolleyes.giftongue.gif
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Originally Posted by jonathanc View Post

Too many Ottomans.

I'm glad that you are having fun! smile.gif
post #57728 of 70890
So, my question is this:

I have an old system. I mean old. 5.1 old.

Adcom GFA 555 II driving B+W DM-7's as mains
Adcom GFA 545 driving KEF bookshelf surrounds
Marantz monoblock driving a small B+W center channel
small Definite Technology subwoofer

I just replaced a 14 year old Marantz av550 with the new av7701. As you might surmise, I haven't spoken or read tech in a long, long time. I would like to run Audessey but i am not sure it would really improve what I already have. The sound difference between the two processors was quite significant and some can be attributed to now being able to listen to DTS. The set-up and configuration of Audessey seems very complicated to me and I only have XT. should I bother? I just want to be sure I can defeat it if I don't like the new sound.
post #57729 of 70890
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

LOL!!!

j) 1. Which items of my furniture should I throw out first when I use Audyssey?


j) 2. What is the best way to tell my SO that the coffee table in front of the couch needs to be removed?
post #57730 of 70890
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Originally Posted by tedcousens View Post

So, my question is this:
I have an old system. I mean old. 5.1 old.
Adcom GFA 555 II driving B+W DM-7's as mains
Adcom GFA 545 driving KEF bookshelf surrounds
Marantz monoblock driving a small B+W center channel
small Definite Technology subwoofer
I just replaced a 14 year old Marantz av550 with the new av7701. As you might surmise, I haven't spoken or read tech in a long, long time. I would like to run Audessey but i am not sure it would really improve what I already have. The sound difference between the two processors was quite significant and some can be attributed to now being able to listen to DTS. The set-up and configuration of Audessey seems very complicated to me and I only have XT. should I bother? I just want to be sure I can defeat it if I don't like the new sound.

Many of us here started with "XT." I certainly would set it up, and you can defeat it if you don't like it. But, if it is set up correctly - and there could be some wrinkles to iron out in that regard - it is rare that people don't like it.

And, welcome to the Audyssey thread and ... the 21st century! smile.gif
post #57731 of 70890
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

They did have an empire at one time.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2ozi7g4xsA

This is part 2 of 3 total (for the whole episode.)
post #57732 of 70890
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

Sorry, couldn't resist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2ozi7g4xsA
This is part 2 of 3 total (for the whole episode.)

T - t - t - too much time on my hands ... smile.gif
post #57733 of 70890
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Originally Posted by tedcousens View Post

So, my question is this:

I have an old system. I mean old. 5.1 old.

Adcom GFA 555 II driving B+W DM-7's as mains
Adcom GFA 545 driving KEF bookshelf surrounds
Marantz monoblock driving a small B+W center channel
small Definite Technology subwoofer

I just replaced a 14 year old Marantz av550 with the new av7701. As you might surmise, I haven't spoken or read tech in a long, long time. I would like to run Audessey but i am not sure it would really improve what I already have. The sound difference between the two processors was quite significant and some can be attributed to now being able to listen to DTS. The set-up and configuration of Audessey seems very complicated to me and I only have XT. should I bother? I just want to be sure I can defeat it if I don't like the new sound.

Definitely run Audyssey. I think in your case specifically, with mismatched speakers from different brands, you will appreciate even more the EQ "massaging" of Audyssey to create better overall system integration. As Jeff notes, worst-case, you can always turn off the EQ and you will still have the benefit of properly calibrated delays and speaker trims. But my bet is you will like it wink.gif

The only thing you have to lose is 20 minutes of your life smile.gif

It's really NOT very complicated at all, despite what the enormity of this thread would have you believe. Put the mic in the "sweet spot", start it up, let it "boink" your speakers with test tones, and then repeat 5-7 more times moving the mic a foot or so each time. 20 minutes later you are done. That's it. Most of the other stuff is for dedicated "tweakers" or for troubleshooting issues... If you want to avoid the complexity of the giant FAQ, this easy "How to MultEQ" boils it down really simply: http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/how-to
post #57734 of 70890
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


It's really NOT very complicated at all, despite what the enormity of this thread would have you believe.

That should be in the FAQ smile.gif
post #57735 of 70890
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

If you want to avoid the complexity of the giant FAQ, this easy "How to MultEQ" boils it down really simply: http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/how-to

Actually, this should be in the FAQ.
post #57736 of 70890
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They did have an empire at one time.

but they upgraded to a submersive
post #57737 of 70890
guys i dont understand, what should i set REFERENCE LEVEL OFFSET for my cable tv input, and what should i set it for my XBOX 360 input (gaming)? for PS3 (bluray movies) i obviously left it at 0, should i just leave it at 0 for cable tv and xbox 360 too?

also, do u guys use INTELLIVOLUME?
post #57738 of 70890
^^^

no matter how many times and in how many places you ask this question, the answer is not going to change.... use what you prefer...
post #57739 of 70890
i ask because i didn't get a clear answer ,is it even needed to adjust the reference level offset or no? what benefit does setting the reference level offset to 10db for TV watching give for example?
post #57740 of 70890
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

i ask because i didn't get a clear answer ,is it even needed to adjust the reference level offset or no? what benefit does setting the reference level offset to 10db for TV watching give for example?

A number of us (primarily Kbarnes701) have gone to a great amount of trouble to develop the Audyssey FAQ, which has a comprehensive section describing reference level offset and how to use it. Have you read the FAQ? If not, please read it and then come back with specific questions.
post #57741 of 70890
i did read it , and it does not explain what to set the reference level for Cable TV Watching and for Gaming (Xbox 360), should i even be changing the reference level or leave it at 0 for all inputs? what benefit will changing the reference level offset give me? better sound at lower volume?
post #57742 of 70890
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

i did read it , and it does not explain what to set the reference level for Cable TV Watching and for Gaming (Xbox 360), should i even be changing the reference level or leave it at 0 for all inputs? what benefit will changing the reference level offset give me? better sound at lower volume?

See the bolded section directly out of the FAQ for the TV content recommendation. For gaming, experiment...


There are three offsets from reference level that you can select when the content has not been mixed to known standards:

0dB - Choose this setting for movies.

15dB - Choose this setting for rock music, pop music and other music with very highly compressed dynamic range (that is, there is little difference between the softest and loudest parts of the content. Think Metallica!).

10dB - Select this setting for Jazz etc where the dynamic range is wider and also for TV content as that is usually mixed at 10 dB below film reference.

5dB - Choose this setting for Classical music and any content that has a wide dynamic range.
post #57743 of 70890
Many thanks to kbarnes701 and what must've been an army of audio ninjas who put together the Audyssey FAQ. I've been a consumer audio pro for 32 years, yet I couldn't have properly set up my Integra DHC-80.3 without the help of this awesome FAQ. This has got to be one of the most helpful audio docs anywhere on the web.

The FAQ taught me that I needed to modify much of the conventional wisdom about auto-audio calibration. For example, we had always been taught to place the calibration mic where the listeners' heads would be. This is not necessarily so with Audyssey. I was also accustomed to correcting the sloppy subwoofer "distance" (actually, "delay") measurements of previous processors. Audyssey is more accurate with delay than those processors, and I can hear it. If your sub is 10 feet away with a tape measure, and Audyssey says it's 11.5 feet, Audyssey is correct, delay-matching-wise. That blew my mind.

The other valuable tips are too many to count, even helping out with tiny setup details such as where to find an inexpensive boom mic stand adapter. If you own a receiver or preamp with MultEQ XT32, even if you've seen the FAQ before, you need to go through it again. Every time I read it and its accompanying docs, I pick up something new.

My first calibration with the Integra was performed as I had always done with auto-calibration, basically second-guessing every setting. This afternoon, I did it the way directed by the FAQ. The improvement in sound and imaging is actually palpable. Massive kudos to you guys. You're my idols.

System:
Revel M-22
Revel B15a (2)
Integra DHC-80.3
Lyngdorf SDA-2175 amp
Audio Refinement Multi 3 amp
Pioneer BDP-43FP Blu-ray
Pioneer Kuro TV
Darbeevision Darblet
DIRECTV HR24
Sonos Connect
Edited by Bleeding Edge - 11/28/12 at 7:59pm
post #57744 of 70890
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

See the bolded section directly out of the FAQ for the TV content recommendation. For gaming, experiment...
There are three offsets from reference level that you can select when the content has not been mixed to known standards:

0dB - Choose this setting for movies.

15dB - Choose this setting for rock music, pop music and other music with very highly compressed dynamic range (that is, there is little difference between the softest and loudest parts of the content. Think Metallica!).

10dB - Select this setting for Jazz etc where the dynamic range is wider and also for TV content as that is usually mixed at 10 dB below film reference.

5dB - Choose this setting for Classical music and any content that has a wide dynamic range.

Where do it mention gaming?
post #57745 of 70890
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


It's really NOT very complicated at all, despite what the enormity of this thread would have you believe.

That should be in the FAQ smile.gif

 

The FAQ isn't really meant to be a guide to using Audyssey - it is meant to be just the answers to questions that are asked here repeatedly. As batpig says, setting up Audyssey is pretty simple for most people - but some have problems and come to this thread seeking solutions. In the pre-FAQ days this led to the thread containing the same information over and over, so the idea of the FAQ was born to condense all the previously repeated info into one place.

 

I then added the Audyssey '101' which IS meant to be a detailed step by step guide to setting up and using Audyssey.

post #57746 of 70890
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

guys i dont understand, what should i set REFERENCE LEVEL OFFSET for my cable tv input, and what should i set it for my XBOX 360 input (gaming)? for PS3 (bluray movies) i obviously left it at 0, should i just leave it at 0 for cable tv and xbox 360 too?

also, do u guys use INTELLIVOLUME?

There's no right or wrong way to set RLO. It's a preference tool. There are no standards for games and TV so it is not possible to say "use 5 or 10" or whatever because there is no way of knowing how the source content was produced. You have to experiment and set it to how it sounds good to you.

 

g)3.   What is Reference Level Offset in Dynamic EQ?

post #57747 of 70890
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

i did read it , and it does not explain what to set the reference level for Cable TV Watching and for Gaming (Xbox 360), should i even be changing the reference level or leave it at 0 for all inputs? what benefit will changing the reference level offset give me? better sound at lower volume?

That is because there is no right or wrong answer to that question. If you keep asking the same question over and over you will always get the same answer. You seem to be looking for someone to say to you "set it to 5 for TV and 10 for gaming" but you will never get that answer (not here anyway). The benefit of RLO IS clearly explained in the FAQ - it was designed to allow a shifting of the point at which Dynamic EQ operates to try to compensate for the widely different ways that content is produced for games and TV and music and so on - ares that do not have a 'standard' like movies do. As has been repeatedly said, you have to experiment with it and choose what sounds best to you. Because there are no standards for games etc, you may well find that you need to use 0 for one game, 5 for another game, 10 for another game and 15 for yet another game. This is the best answer I can provide I'm afraid.

post #57748 of 70890
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Originally Posted by Bleeding Edge View Post

Many thanks to kbarnes701 and what must've been an army of audio ninjas who put together the Audyssey FAQ. I've been a consumer audio pro for 32 years, yet I couldn't have properly set up my Integra DHC-80.3 without the help of this awesome FAQ. This has got to be one of the most helpful audio docs anywhere on the web.

The FAQ taught me that I needed to modify much of the conventional wisdom about auto-audio calibration. For example, we had always been taught to place the calibration mic where the listeners' heads would be. This is not necessarily so with Audyssey. I was also accustomed to correcting the sloppy subwoofer "distance" (actually, "delay") measurements of previous processors. Audyssey is more accurate with delay than those processors, and I can hear it. If your sub is 10 feet away with a tape measure, and Audyssey says it's 11.5 feet, Audyssey is correct, delay-matching-wise. That blew my mind.

The other valuable tips are too many to count, even helping out with tiny setup details such as where to find an inexpensive boom mic stand adapter. If you own a receiver or preamp with MultEQ XT32, even if you've seen the FAQ before, you need to go through it again. Every time I read it and its accompanying docs, I pick up something new.

My first calibration with the Integra was performed as I had always done with auto-calibration, basically second-guessing every setting. This afternoon, I did it the way directed by the FAQ. The improvement in sound and imaging is actually palpable. Massive kudos to you guys. You're my idols.

System:
Revel M-22
Revel B15a (2)
Integra DHC-80.3
Lyngdorf SDA-2175 amp
Audio Refinement Multi 3 amp
Pioneer BDP-43FP Blu-ray
Pioneer Kuro TV
Darbeevision Darblet
DIRECTV HR24
Sonos Connect

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to post that and for your kind words. I am very pleased that the FAQ has been of so much help to you. Most of the information in the FAQ is available elsewhere on the Internet, but the FAQ is, AFAIK, the only place where it is all brought together in one useful document. I do monitor the FAQ continuously and make small changes to it most weeks, as new information comes up from time time, and new questions are added when appropriate too. I also check the links periodically and correct any that have become broken or where the taget site has changed and a new link is needed. Enjoy your music and movies!

post #57749 of 70890
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

See the bolded section directly out of the FAQ for the TV content recommendation. For gaming, experiment...
There are three offsets from reference level that you can select when the content has not been mixed to known standards:

0dB - Choose this setting for movies.

15dB - Choose this setting for rock music, pop music and other music with very highly compressed dynamic range (that is, there is little difference between the softest and loudest parts of the content. Think Metallica!).

10dB - Select this setting for Jazz etc where the dynamic range is wider and also for TV content as that is usually mixed at 10 dB below film reference.

5dB - Choose this setting for Classical music and any content that has a wide dynamic range.

Where do it mention gaming?

 

 

It doesn't - RLO was invented by Audyssey primarily for music. I will add a paragraph to the FAQ answer to cover gaming - but it will only say what I, and others, have already told you in the thread.
 
What you need to understand about RLO is that it changes the way Dynamic EQ works. Usually DEQ ceases to apply boost to the bass and upper frequencies and the surround channels when the MV is set to reference (0dB). If you set a RLO, then DEQ ceases to have any effect at the level you choose - so if you select RLO of 10, then DEQ will stop boosting at -10dB on the MV. I am not a gamer but I would imagine that you want the surround channels to be fairly prominent for gaming, so you can hear enemies etc sneaking up behind you and so on. If that is the case you will want the maximum from the surrounds, and probably the maximum from the bass, for explosions, gunshots etc - so, depending on the levels you normally listen at, set the RLO where it sounds best to you. Or just leave it at 0. It is up to you.
post #57750 of 70890
For me an easy way to deal with RLO is simply to monitor over time the loudest volume I use for a given source, and set it there (assuming Relative volume of course.) You still get to play with 'preference" as you have to decide to go to nearest higher or lower RLO.

I relate to it almost solely as a bass effect though, so if a person was sensitive to surround levels, this might not work? But for bass it works fine pour moi.
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