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That would produce the most accurate calibration, since the boom can be used to place the mic at the appropriate head position while the stand is sitting on a solid, non-vibrating floor. If the microphone vibrates because its stand is more-or-less sitting on the sofa itself, it'll compromise the calibration.


Thanks but how about placing the tripod on the floor in front of the main listening position?

 

 

If you do that the mic will not be where your head would be.
post #57812 of 70911
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Cubic not square, Stuart wink.gif

That was a typo. So what are your dimensions that got you to 1000 cubic ft:)?

The reason I ask is that our living room where we have our HT is 23' x 17' x 8.5' (L x W x H), according to our condo plans, which works out to over 3300 cubic feet according to a calculator. I can't imagine a room 1/3 the size of ours with those two Submersives, considering that I'm perfectly happy with two HSU ULS-15s in our space. Your bass must be deadly!

 

Dimensions are about 12 x 11 x 8. The bass is at reference - but my dual Submersives give me excellent quality and smoothness throughout the listening area and, of course, enormous - effectively, limitless headroom. You can never have too much headroom :)  Also, the sheer quality of the bass from the SubMs is amazing - I have never heard bass like it anywhere - not quantity quality.

 

Of course, with duals in such a small, sealed space I could increase the bass levels until structural damage occurred, but it isn’t my objective. I just want good, reference level bass (in fact I have it 2dB hot). I could have gotten away with one F2, but I have had duals for a long time and like what they can do.

 

EDIT: on re-reading this, I feel the need to comment on my blithe remark "the bass is at reference". As you know, it is by no means easy to achieve reference bass. Many subs go loud enough but not low enough and some go low enough but not loud enough. With my dual SubMs, I can get both. Loud AND low. I can’t remember if I posted my FR graph in this thread or the Pro thread - it shows a more or less totally flat response down to 20Hz, with a very small drop off down to 10Hz and still performing very well down to about 7Hz.


Edited by kbarnes701 - 12/1/12 at 5:39am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Remember people over-obsess about the details here on this thread.

 

They do??

 

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post #57814 of 70911
Hi , I'm new to Audyssey and will be trying it for the first time this weekend.
I have a Denon AVR 3311ci driving my system.
My Question is , I have 2 sub outs on the receiver but I have 3 subs available.
The subs are identical 12" drivers in a sealed box driven by diy amplifiers. The amps have no controls whatsoever,just on/off
If I use a "Y" connector and have 2 subs on one pre-out and one on the other will the single sub be working twice as hard as the pair on the "Y"
connector ?
Should I just use 2 subs in this set up or will the 3 sub set up work better?
post #57815 of 70911
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Originally Posted by 24tate View Post

Hi , I'm new to Audyssey and will be trying it for the first time this weekend.
I have a Denon AVR 3311ci driving my system.
My Question is , I have 2 sub outs on the receiver but I have 3 subs available.
The subs are identical 12" drivers in a sealed box driven by diy amplifiers. The amps have no controls whatsoever,just on/off
If I use a "Y" connector and have 2 subs on one pre-out and one on the other will the single sub be working twice as hard as the pair on the "Y"
connector ?
Should I just use 2 subs in this set up or will the 3 sub set up work better?

Hi - welcome to the Audyssey thread.

 

Before you start it might be a good idea to read the subwoofer/bass section of the FAQ. The FAQ in general contains good advice for the first-time Audyssey user and I would suggest you browse through it, especially with regard to mic positioning etc. also you might care to look a the 'Audyssey 101' which is linked in the FAQ.

 

To answer your specific question, it is fine to use 3 subs with Audyssey, but with or without Audyssey, setting up multiple subs for the best result isn't easy. There are many articles on the net that can help you with that and google will find them easily enough. Audioholics also have good tutorials on their site.

 

To set up 3 subs in your case with Audyssey, you will need to connect two of them with a Y-cord to one of the sub outlets. Ideally these subs need to be identical and equidistant from the MLP. This is because Audyssey will treat those two subs as one in terms of setting delays (distance) and levels. The third sub ideally also needs to be identical and also equidistant from the MLP in your case and then connected to the other sub output on your AVR. When you run Audyssey, it will take care of the levels automatically, so your single sub will not be working twice as hard as the other two/pair.   As your AVR does not have two independent sub outputs (they are connected together internally) you will need to level match the subs - this procedure is described in the FAQ, linked below (see under 'using a Y-cord'). You need to  follow the FAQ procedure appropriate for your AVR - but just think of the two subs connected to output 1 as one sub (and if you co-locate them they are effectively acting like one bigger sub anyway). 

 

You may find that 2 subs works better simply because positioning two subs in the room will be easier than positioning three but you will have to try this and see how you get on. Remember the value of multiple subs isn't necessarily an increase in overall output but a smoothing of the bass response throughout the room and a better handling of room modes giving greater seat-to-seat consistency.

 

The bass section is here and contains advice on multiple sub setups, but not specifically on setting up 3 subs - nevertheless it is a useful read:

 

F. Subwoofers & Bass


Edited by kbarnes701 - 12/1/12 at 8:49am
post #57816 of 70911
How much more can xt32 help the sub if you already have a flat response using just pain multeq?
post #57817 of 70911
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Originally Posted by Hifisound View Post

Forgive me if this has been asked before : What would be the cheapest way (ofcourse excluding the ARC system 2 price) to use Audyssey Arc system 2 on a HTPC, with an Asus Essence STX sound card, for just audio playback in home 2 channel setup.
Thanks...

I don't know of any way to use Audyssey room correction on an HTPC. It would need to be licensed and built into the sound card ... and I don't know of any of those. You could use an HTPC as a source connected to a pre/pro or receiver, but I get the impression that that's not your goal.

Jeff
post #57818 of 70911
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

To set up 3 subs in your case with Audyssey, you will need to connect two of them with a Y-cord to one of the sub outlets. Ideally these subs need to be identical and equidistant from the MLP. This is because Audyssey will treat those two subs as one in terms of setting delays (distance) and levels. The third sub can be placed where it gives the flattest response in your room and connected to the other sub output on your AVR. When you run Audyssey, it will take care of the levels automatically, so your single sub will not be working twice as hard as the other two/pair.

Keith - not sure if you noticed but he has a 3311 (not a 4311) which has only XT. The sub outs are identical so the receiver will NOT take care of the levels, he needs to level match the three subs first.
post #57819 of 70911
Recently I've had an issue with Audyssey set-up randomly turning on while I'm watching tv or listening to music. I've discovered that if I touch the mic input on the receiver with my finger it goes back to the original source. Obviously this is very annoying. My receiver is an Onkyo 705. Any suggestions on fixing this issue?
post #57820 of 70911
Sounds like a defective mic jack. the receiver is "tricked" into thinking you've plugged in the setup mic. I've heard of this before... Unfortunately probably a hardware issue, but try blowing compressed air into the jack and/or plugging in the mic a few times to clear any gunk.
post #57821 of 70911
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Originally Posted by Hifisound View Post

Forgive me if this has been asked before : What would be the cheapest way (ofcourse excluding the ARC system 2 price) to use Audyssey Arc system 2 on a HTPC, with an Asus Essence STX sound card, for just audio playback in home 2 channel setup.
Thanks...

There are separate apps for that. The closes thing that Audyssey has is  http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/arc/

 

Also, using the term ARC is confusing in this context as it could also mean Anthem Room Correction or other things.

post #57822 of 70911
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

There are separate apps for that. The closes thing that Audyssey has is  http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/arc/

Wow, I didn't know that. I stand corrected!

Have you ever used this, Kal?

Thanks,
Jeff
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To set up 3 subs in your case with Audyssey, you will need to connect two of them with a Y-cord to one of the sub outlets. Ideally these subs need to be identical and equidistant from the MLP. This is because Audyssey will treat those two subs as one in terms of setting delays (distance) and levels. The third sub can be placed where it gives the flattest response in your room and connected to the other sub output on your AVR. When you run Audyssey, it will take care of the levels automatically, so your single sub will not be working twice as hard as the other two/pair.

Keith - not sure if you noticed but he has a 3311 (not a 4311) which has only XT. The sub outs are identical so the receiver will NOT take care of the levels, he needs to level match the three subs first.

Oh bugger. Thanks batpig. I will amend my post. (I did read it as 4311).

post #57824 of 70911
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Recently I've had an issue with Audyssey set-up randomly turning on while I'm watching tv or listening to music. I've discovered that if I touch the mic input on the receiver with my finger it goes back to the original source. Obviously this is very annoying. My receiver is an Onkyo 705. Any suggestions on fixing this issue?

 

I would follow batpig's advice. If that doesn't do the trick then there may be a short in the mic jack itself. If your unit is out of warranty (I suspect it is as it is a 705) then you could open the unit to check - if you see any obvious problem you can fix it yourself if you are handy with a soldering iron, or any electrical repair shop near to you would be able to do it for a nominal charge. I think that because touching the socket resets the Audyssey menu, it probably isn’t some sort of software malfunction. If it is the latter though, a factory reset might shift it - but you will lose all your settings and also need to run Audyssey again if you do this. The procedure is below:

 

 

RESET Onkyo to Factory
 
To reset the AV receiver to its factory defaults, turn it on and, while holding down the [VCR/DVR] button ON THE UNIT, press the [ON/STANDBY] button ON THE UNIT. "Clear" will appear on the display and the AV receiver will enter Standby mode.
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

There are separate apps for that. The closes thing that Audyssey has is  http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/arc/

Wow, I didn't know that. I stand corrected!

Have you ever used this, Kal?

Thanks,
Jeff

 

It's a nifty interface too isn't it?  Makes the Pro interface look like something from the 70s.

 

Silly choice of name though - ARC - given the name of Anthem's own system - potentially confusing as Kal says (it confused me in the original post on the topic).

post #57826 of 70911
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

There are separate apps for that. The closes thing that Audyssey has is  http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/arc/

Also, using the term ARC is confusing in this context as it could also mean Anthem Room Correction or other things.

Wow, XT32 for the PC! Bit expensive though, although the measurement mic is nicer than the typical Audyssey mic.
post #57827 of 70911
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

It's a nifty interface too isn't it?  Makes the Pro interface look like something from the 70s.

Silly choice of name though - ARC - given the name of Anthem's own system - potentially confusing as Kal says (it confused me in the original post on the topic).

It is probably confusing. I almost always read it as "automatic room correction" unless the context is specifically Anthem.

Jeff
post #57828 of 70911
For the 3 sub set -up, I do not have any means to level match the subs as the amps are diy and have no level controls on them.
So am I going to run into problems ?
post #57829 of 70911
i dont get it, i got a new SVS subwoofer and so i re ran auddysey just now, is auddysey detecting that i have 2 subwoofers? why are there 2 subwoofers in the picture? i have only my new SVS sub connected to the system confused.gif



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Originally Posted by Odys View Post

Recently I've had an issue with Audyssey set-up randomly turning on while I'm watching tv or listening to music. I've discovered that if I touch the mic input on the receiver with my finger it goes back to the original source. Obviously this is very annoying. My receiver is an Onkyo 705. Any suggestions on fixing this issue?

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post #57831 of 70911
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

i dont get it, i got a new SVS subwoofer and so i re ran auddysey just now, is auddysey detecting that i have 2 subwoofers? why are there 2 subwoofers in the picture? i have only my new SVS sub connected to the system confused.gif

Other than the pretty picture, does it SAY there are two subs?
post #57832 of 70911
Guys as u can see in the picture i posted above, auddysey shows 2 subwoofers in the summary screen, what does that mean? please assist me
post #57833 of 70911
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Other than the pretty picture, does it SAY there are two subs?

where is it supposed to say there are 2 subwoofers or one?
post #57834 of 70911
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Originally Posted by 24tate View Post

For the 3 sub set -up, I do not have any means to level match the subs as the amps are diy and have no level controls on them.
So am I going to run into problems ?

 

Yes.

post #57835 of 70911
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

i dont get it, i got a new SVS subwoofer and so i re ran auddysey just now, is auddysey detecting that i have 2 subwoofers? why are there 2 subwoofers in the picture? i have only my new SVS sub connected to the system confused.gif

 

 

You have it set up for a single sub in the setup menus?

post #57836 of 70911
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

You have it set up for a single sub in the setup menus?

yea.. i dont see any where i can even select that i have 2 subwoofers in the setup menu...
post #57837 of 70911
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

The setup menu. wink.gif

can you please tell me more specifically ?
post #57838 of 70911
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

can you please tell me more specifically ?

What is in the screen to the left of the graphic of the system? It's cut off in your picture.
post #57839 of 70911
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

can you please tell me more specifically ?

Did you snap the pic before or after setting up Audyssey?
post #57840 of 70911
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Originally Posted by 24tate View Post

For the 3 sub set -up, I do not have any means to level match the subs as the amps are diy and have no level controls on them.
So am I going to run into problems ?

You could place some form of level control between the pre-pro/receiver and the amps. There are probably very cheap ones available but if not a miniDSP could be used although its overkill.
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