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post #61111 of 70911
Absolutely.
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post #61112 of 70911
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Originally Posted by stefuel View Post

This is odd The plate amp on my sub crapped out. As such, never tried it with Audyssey. I have a borrowed plate amp that I'm using. I can set it up using
The Onkyos internal test tones and it sounds OK. When I try to run Audyssey, all I get out of the sub is what sounds like a heartbeat and it reports no sub.
I have double checked polarity and that's OK. I was able to run Audyssey with this sub connected to Carver amp and Audyssey test tone was normal. I don't think it matters but it's a Klipsch sub amp plate driving a Infinity "servo" sub. I don't get it. Why would it work with the Carver amp and not the Klipsch?

Did you verify that the plate-amp's auto-on feature is disabled, so that it is on continuously during the calibration?

Another possibility might be a loose connection, such that the "thump" disconnects it.
post #61113 of 70911
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post
LOL!  On reflection, and as an addendum to my reply to Selden, while what he says is perfectly correct, sometimes it can be easier to move the sub than to get it into the MLP, at head height. The OP's sub is fairly small - about one cubic foot, so it isn't all that burdensome to move it around and getting it to ear height at the MLP as an alternative might be harder. Similarly, while my Submersives aren't exactly easy to move around, I would find it more or less impossible to get it onto the main listening chair!  I use those furniture slider things to move big heavy subs around - they work great and only cost a few dollars (Amazon),

 

I suppose it varies by room but I wonder how much the z-axis really comes into play for a crawl?  I know when I did mine, I didn't see hardly any variation in the FR response from 15-300 Hz with respect to it or even furniture location, obstructions etc. for that matter.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that just by putting my sub in the X-Y of the MLP and walking around the room with my mic showed me the center of the front wall was the best location.  HST, the room mode calculator led me there even without the crawl.  YMMV comes to mind in this situation...

post #61114 of 70911
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

I suppose it varies by room but I wonder how much the z-axis really comes into play for a crawl? I know when I did mine, I didn't see hardly any variation in the FR response from 15-300 Hz with respect to it or even furniture location, obstructions etc. for that matter. I guess what I'm trying to say is that just by putting my sub in the X-Y of the MLP and walking around the room with my mic showed me the center of the front wall was the best location. HST, the room mode calculator led me there even without the crawl. YMMV comes to mind in this situation...

I suppose it depends on what kind of vertical modes your room creates.
post #61115 of 70911
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post
I suppose it varies by room but I wonder how much the z-axis really comes into play for a crawl?  I know when I did mine, I didn't see hardly any variation in the FR response from 15-300 Hz with respect to it or even furniture location, obstructions etc. for that matter.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that just by putting my sub in the X-Y of the MLP and walking around the room with my mic showed me the center of the front wall was the best location.  HST, the room mode calculator led me there even without the crawl.  YMMV comes to mind in this situation...
 

 

I have experimented with elevating the subs, and it indeed makes a measurable difference.  HST, my bass response always measured best when the subs were on the floor.  Of course, I never got them up close to my 10' ceiling....   rolleyes.gif

post #61116 of 70911
I must say I've been really struggling Audyssey for a while now. I have a Marantz AV 7005 as my pre-pro. I used to be a recording engineer so do trust my ears somewhat and have found I really have to go in and tweak from Manual mode to get what I consider to be more of a flat response. I'm totally aware my current room acoustics are far from perfect but even still I've never been very impressed with the generated parameters and subsequent sound. It's very difficult to find a happy middle ground considering the huge disparity in dynamic gain / compression / EQ and general mastering in all the different source materials today. To go from a 192k 24bit file to vinyl without a little adjusting is nigh on impossible really. It's a shame Audyssey does not include a few savable pre-sets to help with that, I for one would find it very useful.
post #61117 of 70911
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Originally Posted by JeremyMorrison View Post

I must say I've been really struggling Audyssey for a while now. I have a Marantz AV 7005 as my pre-pro. I used to be a recording engineer so do trust my ears somewhat and have found I really have to go in and tweak from Manual mode to get what I consider to be more of a flat response. I'm totally aware my current room acoustics are far from perfect but even still I've never been very impressed with the generated parameters and subsequent sound. It's very difficult to find a happy middle ground considering the huge disparity in dynamic gain / compression / EQ and general mastering in all the different source materials today. To go from a 192k 24bit file to vinyl without a little adjusting is nigh on impossible really. It's a shame Audyssey does not include a few savable pre-sets to help with that, I for one would find it very useful.

 

As a former recording engineer, I'm sure you know the value of objective measurements to supplement your listening skills.  Do you have measurement tools and have you examined your listening room performance?  If yes, then we would like to see some examples. 

 

While Audyssey is a useful and powerful product, it cannot overcome many of the issue we see in our listening rooms.  It takes a combined solution involving speaker placement, room treatments, and finally DSP room correction.  Of course, I'm not saying anything that you don't already know.

post #61118 of 70911
I have used various SPL meters and software. Am planning on taking my Behrenger Ultra Curve Pro DSP8024 home over the weekend to see if there's anything really nasty going on but I don't think so. Luckily I have balanced XLR's on the Marantz so it will be easy to loop through the channels one pair at a time. As I mentioned, my room is not perfect by any means but either way the Auddysey doesn't seem to be able to nail a sweet spot. From what I understand the new version of Audyssey is far superior to what I have (Marantz AV7005) so I'll have to wait for my next upgrade to give that a shot. I do use the base curve though and go from there in Manual mode so it is useful. You are of course totally correct though, just changing the toe in on my main front pair changes the lower mid & bottom displacement in the room quite dramatically. I am using Axiom QS8's ( 2 pairs) as my surrounds which have up and downward firing drivers which could confuse the Audyssey software I would think as there's more reflection off the ceiling than normal which the mic would pick up on. Many thanks for your comments and help!

All the best,

Jeremy.
post #61119 of 70911
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

 

No need to read all 60,000+ posts - 

 

 

Keith, I am surprised.  You know that it is a requirement that a poster must read all 60K posts before asking a question!  wink.gif

 

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Absolutely.
He will then be queried for some randomly selected posts.
Only if he has quoted correctly 7 out of 10 he will be allowed to ask further questions. wink.gif

 

LOL. Absolutely. Kids these days... they want it all on a plate... biggrin.gif

post #61120 of 70911
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post
LOL!  On reflection, and as an addendum to my reply to Selden, while what he says is perfectly correct, sometimes it can be easier to move the sub than to get it into the MLP, at head height. The OP's sub is fairly small - about one cubic foot, so it isn't all that burdensome to move it around and getting it to ear height at the MLP as an alternative might be harder. Similarly, while my Submersives aren't exactly easy to move around, I would find it more or less impossible to get it onto the main listening chair!  I use those furniture slider things to move big heavy subs around - they work great and only cost a few dollars (Amazon),

 

I suppose it varies by room but I wonder how much the z-axis really comes into play for a crawl?  I know when I did mine, I didn't see hardly any variation in the FR response from 15-300 Hz with respect to it or even furniture location, obstructions etc. for that matter.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that just by putting my sub in the X-Y of the MLP and walking around the room with my mic showed me the center of the front wall was the best location.  HST, the room mode calculator led me there even without the crawl.  YMMV comes to mind in this situation...

 

Good point. Everyone will want to use the method that suits them best. If I had the B&W AS608 sub like the OP, I'd move the sub around. With the Submersives, it would be way easier to move the mic around ;)

post #61121 of 70911
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post
I suppose it varies by room but I wonder how much the z-axis really comes into play for a crawl?  I know when I did mine, I didn't see hardly any variation in the FR response from 15-300 Hz with respect to it or even furniture location, obstructions etc. for that matter.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that just by putting my sub in the X-Y of the MLP and walking around the room with my mic showed me the center of the front wall was the best location.  HST, the room mode calculator led me there even without the crawl.  YMMV comes to mind in this situation...
 

 

I have experimented with elevating the subs, and it indeed makes a measurable difference.  HST, my bass response always measured best when the subs were on the floor.  Of course, I never got them up close to my 10' ceiling....   rolleyes.gif

 

I’d have liked to have seen that! :) 

post #61122 of 70911
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

 

Good point. Everyone will want to use the method that suits them best. If I had the B&W AS608 sub like the OP, I'd move the sub around. With the Submersives, it would be way easier to move the mic around ;)

 

Actually, with Submersives, it's easier to move the room around....

post #61123 of 70911
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

 

Good point. Everyone will want to use the method that suits them best. If I had the B&W AS608 sub like the OP, I'd move the sub around. With the Submersives, it would be way easier to move the mic around ;)

 

Actually, with Submersives, it's easier to move the room around....

 

Haha! biggrin.gif

post #61124 of 70911
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

 

Good point. Everyone will want to use the method that suits them best. If I had the B&W AS608 sub like the OP, I'd move the sub around. With the Submersives, it would be way easier to move the mic around ;)

 

Actually, with Submersives, it's easier to move the room around....

 

LOL!  biggrin.gif

post #61125 of 70911
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Originally Posted by JeremyMorrison View Post

As I mentioned, my room is not perfect by any means but either way the Auddysey doesn't seem to be able to nail a sweet spot. From what I understand the new version of Audyssey is far superior to what I have (Marantz AV7005) so I'll have to wait for my next upgrade to give that a shot.
Not only will XT32 help the result, but you'd probably like the target curve adjustment the Pro option offers.
post #61126 of 70911
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Absolutely.
He will then be queried for some randomly selected posts.
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Yep, the plate was set to be on full time. I already double checked polarity and connections. All were fine. I used a spl meter and set it up using the Onkyo's internal test tones. I got it close to perfect. The sub sounds fine with test material. It just won't work with Audyssey.
post #61127 of 70911
Hey all...a follow up to my post last week about my issues with Audessy. Finely got the living room all organized and re ran Audessy. Paid special attention to where I placed the mic (ear level) in listening position, adjusted sub to 120hz Low pass. Happy to report that the results are much better. My rear left surround is still a bit 'hot' IMO but its not insane like it was last week. It measured at +1.0 decibels and I turned it down to -1.0 and it seems better. Certain commercials still really light it up but overall,,,,quite pleased with the sound I got from my second Audessy run.
post #61128 of 70911
Anyone know when the next Audyssey Multieq is going to be released and what it is going to called? I know xt32 is the newest version in circulation.
post #61129 of 70911
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Originally Posted by Dbuudo07 View Post

Anyone know when the next Audyssey Multieq is going to be released and what it is going to called? I know xt32 is the newest version in circulation.

Do you really expect an answer to this question? smile.gif
post #61130 of 70911
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Originally Posted by stefuel View Post

Yep, the plate was set to be on full time. I already double checked polarity and connections. All were fine. I used a spl meter and set it up using the Onkyo's internal test tones. I got it close to perfect. The sub sounds fine with test material. It just won't work with Audyssey.

Hmmm, clicked on the wrong quote for my last post. Anyway, In the category of things stranger then fiction, I made no changes but ran Audyssey again and all it well. Gremlins I did have to run it a couple of times to tweek the gain control on the amp which was quite sensitive. Ended up settling for +1.
The Onkyo has in it's menu the ability to set sub levels for the rest of the speakers. Some of those numbers reported by Audyssey were as high at +11.
Should I go into the sub menu and try to adjust those so they end up with a lower number?
post #61131 of 70911
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Originally Posted by mogorf View Post

Do you really expect an answer to this question? smile.gif

Actually, yes. I thought I read that there was a new version coming out this year. Can't remember the thread. They mentioned Audyssey and the new HDMI spec. Oh well. I'll just keep an eye out. I want to know if their next iteration well be better at handling high efficiency speakers.
post #61132 of 70911
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Originally Posted by Dbuudo07 View Post

Actually, yes. I thought I read that there was a new version coming out this year. Can't remember the thread. They mentioned Audyssey and the new HDMI spec. Oh well. I'll just keep an eye out. I want to know if their next iteration well be better at handling high efficiency speakers.

There's DSX 2, which is supposedly an enhancement to DSX to expand surround processing to 5.1, 7.1, 9.1 or 11.1 using the DSX technology.

Some basic information:
http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/audyssey-dsx-2

How useful this is, compared to Dolby PLIIz or Neo:X, let alone which AVRs will get this technology, is up in the air.

But as far as I know there's no planned change to MultiEQ XT32. To some of us, fixing known bugs in the Audyssey Pro implementation to correct outstanding issues is more important, but it won't get them incremental sales with the existing Audyssey licensing structure.
Edited by sdrucker - 3/27/13 at 5:44pm
post #61133 of 70911
What exactly is the issue currently with high efficiency speakers?
post #61134 of 70911
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

What exactly is the issue currently with high efficiency speakers?

Somebody talking about running out of trim at -12? I wish they would address that one.
post #61135 of 70911
hey guys, quick question, i have a 7.1 setup. ran through audyssey setup. but my question is about my rear surrounds. right now im sitting between the two. and they at ear level. so my surround speakers are in front of me as well as fronts. i cant change where i sit due to the room. so how should i set up my surrounds for better sound quality?
post #61136 of 70911
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

What exactly is the issue currently with high efficiency speakers?

Somebody talking about running out of trim at -12? I wish they would address that one.

That has absolutely nothing to do with Audyssey.
post #61137 of 70911
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Originally Posted by Dbuudo07 View Post

I want to know if their next iteration well be better at handling high efficiency speakers.
Are you asking if the next iteration of Audyssey will allow you to turn the volume down so that high efficiency speakers won't be too loud? Or is there some other connection between room correction and speaker efficiency that you are specifically asking about?
post #61138 of 70911
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Originally Posted by Brad Sutliff View Post

hey guys, quick question, i have a 7.1 setup. ran through audyssey setup. but my question is about my rear surrounds. right now im sitting between the two. and they at ear level. so my surround speakers are in front of me as well as fronts. i cant change where i sit due to the room. so how should i set up my surrounds for better sound quality?
I would forego surround-back speakers, since they are at the wrong location (they're supposed to be placed well behind you, not at your sides). Instead, consider having the surrounds at your sides and re-purposing the surround-back speakers (maybe as height speakers, for example).
post #61139 of 70911
Thats kind of what i was thinking. shouldnt be too hard. just rewire at the receiver. But for my front highs then how high should they be? my Fronts are about halfway up a 8foot wall i believe. so all the way up at the ceiling?
post #61140 of 70911
Hey everyone.

I have a very modest 7.1 surround home theater setup utilizing 6 JBL N24 II's, a JBL TLX Center 1 and a Yamaha YST-SW105 subwoofer controlled by a Denon AVR2313CI.

Audyssey insists that I set the subwoofer to only 50% volume.

Doesn't this seem too low for this 100w subwoofer?

Wouldn't 75% make more sense to get a little more punch from this sub? Any suggestions would be helpful.

Perhaps I am not fully understanding how Audyssey works, but I would think if I physically set the sub to only 50%, that it can not get any louder than 50% because it is a physical setting. It just seems too low to me. I mean, it's already wimpy at only 100W at 100%. Wouldn't 50% or 50 watts just not be enough for those loud noises I would hear in movies?

thanks

-Little Larry
Edited by LittleLarry - 3/27/13 at 7:37pm
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