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post #62071 of 70900
The boom mic made a huge difference with the crossover readings for me and things are sounding good!

Wanted to know though, and apologies if this should be in another forum, but do you guys use the same Audyssey settings for Stereo Music as well as Theater?

I have most of my music collection streaming through an Apple TV (some Apple lossless encoded but I don't know if it actually streams that or just matches that (in the cases it can) and streams 256 or whatever it is). I've found things sound A LOT better when using Mode1 Restorer function on my Denon 791 but without it and (especially in direct mode for example) the sound from my new NHT Bookshelf Classic 2s sound a little thin. Crossover currently set to 90 I think on those.

Any thoughts? Do you guys take a manual approach ever when listening to music?

THANKS!
post #62072 of 70900
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Here's a question to the high end speaker guys in this thread.

So as some probably know, I have the dennon 1612 5.1 system with MultiEQ. My speakers (excepting my sub) are 15 year old slightly above their bottom of the line Klipsch's.

If you had the money to spend, which one will get you the most home theater audio bang for your buck, a new receiver with XT 32 or would you get new premium speakers like the KEF R Series? http://www.kef.com/html/us/showroom/hi-fi_series/r_series/overview/.

System used exclusively for blu ray movies.

 

Speakers are usually a better upgrade, sonically, than electronics. HST, XT32 is a huge step forward from MultEQ. The room should also be factored in, as the best speakers in the world won't give anywhere near their best if used in a room that is acoustically mediocre (as most untreated rooms are). I guess the question is, if you cannot treat the room (which would give you the absolute best bang for the buck, without changing any of your current hardware) would XT32 compensate enough for the room's deficiencies to outweigh the use of better speakers?  It is a tough call.

 

You don't mention your sub - what is it? That should be factored in as well.

 

Do you have any latitude for acoustically treating the room at all?  If you do, I would start there - you may find that if you do that you won't even need to change the speakers. And in a treated room, the benefits of Audyssey are diminished. 

 

Sorry this isn't a clear-cut reply - maybe others will chime in and a concensus emerge.  If I had to give an answer because my life depended on it I guess I would change the following, in the order given:

 

  1. Treat the room
  2. Change the sub (if the current sub is below average)
  3. Change the speakers
  4. Change the AVR to one with XT32

 

Others will surely disagree :)

post #62073 of 70900
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Here's a question to the high end speaker guys in this thread.

So as some probably know, I have the dennon 1612 5.1 system with MultiEQ. My speakers (excepting my sub) are 15 year old slightly above their bottom of the line Klipsch's.

If you had the money to spend, which one will get you the most home theater audio bang for your buck, a new receiver with XT 32 or would you get new premium speakers like the KEF R Series? http://www.kef.com/html/us/showroom/hi-fi_series/r_series/overview/.

System used exclusively for blu ray movies.

I would consider a speaker built more for movie viewing than hifi audio like those KEF's if it were me. for that much money you could get a much more usable speaker and still have enough for a receiver too. Klipsch speakers that are 40years are still some of the nicest I have heard so sometimes age is a good thing (Klipsch lascalas for example). I upgraded just for xt32 and while it was a nice improvement, I already had room treatments and VERY capable speakers.

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Originally Posted by miked2023 View Post

The boom mic made a huge difference with the crossover readings for me and things are sounding good!

Wanted to know though, and apologies if this should be in another forum, but do you guys use the same Audyssey settings for Stereo Music as well as Theater?

I have most of my music collection streaming through an Apple TV (some Apple lossless encoded but I don't know if it actually streams that or just matches that (in the cases it can) and streams 256 or whatever it is). I've found things sound A LOT better when using Mode1 Restorer function on my Denon 791 but without it and (especially in direct mode for example) the sound from my new NHT Bookshelf Classic 2s sound a little thin. Crossover currently set to 90 I think on those.

Any thoughts? Do you guys take a manual approach ever when listening to music?

THANKS!

I have the same issue, and I always end up bumping the sub level quite a few dB's to get it to sound the way I like. If at lower volumes using dynamicEQ might even make it sound more to your liking. I have messed with the loudness compesation stuff but never really liked what it did so I looked for more "adjustment related" ways to fix it. With music there are so many different ways it is mixed it is virtually impossible to really get something perfectly dialed in, but don't shy away from attempting to manually adjust to your liking.
Quote:
Treat the room
Change the sub (if the current sub is below average)
Change the speakers
Change the AVR to one with XT32

Others will surely disagree smile.gif

I completely agree as a matter of fact biggrin.gif
post #62074 of 70900
Thanks for the replies and that very concise list. So my sub is the HRS 12 which as you know I am working on fixing (this Friday night in fact).

WAF make treating the room probably something I couldn't do very well. It does have high ceilings (slanted to roof) and carpet. I was worried that the speakers I chose would be a bit too much for just movies, so thanks for commenting on that as well. WAF again makes choosing speakers fun since she is always onboard with 'piano black' - but nothing else so far.

It does seem like a speaker upgrade is my best bang for buck, but I may need to rethink which speakers - and doing so may get me a new receiver as well smile.gif


Don't worry, I know I owe you a sub rattle post, it will be coming this weekend.

The 20hz highpass did come and I did put it on really quick to see if it did anything. It did get rid of the sub 20hz problem, but there's still some rattle right around the 20-22hz. Also I found a wierd test that played two frequencies at once between 20-50hz and that stressed it out a bit at times especially with dynamic eq on (but not sure if that's related or just normal for a sub).

Cheers,

Mo
post #62075 of 70900
Quote:
Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

...So as some probably know, I have the dennon 1612 5.1 system with MultiEQ. My speakers (excepting my sub) are 15 year old slightly above their bottom of the line Klipsch's.
If you had the money to spend, which one will get you the most home theater audio bang for your buck, a new receiver with XT 32 or would you get new premium speakers like the KEF R Series? http://www.kef.com/html/us/showroom/hi-fi_series/r_series/overview/.
System used exclusively for blu ray movies.
Tough call. It'd help to know your overall goals, your room, what specifically you're hoping to improve next and how much you're thinking about spending now and over the next year or two on your HT upgrades.

I agree with the prior responses that the room is important but I tend to think in terms of the weakest links in the entire audio chain, then create an upgrade plan based on a well-matched system within overall budget and aimed at your preferences/goals. For most folks without a dedicated room, there's usually not a lot of acoustic treatments in their future. If that's the case for you, good DSP becomes crucial. An upgrade from XT->XT32 yields a fairly big SQ improvement. As mentioned in a post above, a couple of recent and new AVR models from Onkyo and Denon with XT32 can be had for around $1K.

Another factor, especially in untreated rooms, is using 2 subs. Properly positioned and set up, the 2 subs can greatly lessen the room modal problems that so frequently impair overall SQ. Combined with XT32, two subs can be a nice SQ upgrade. If you have a decent sub and can buy an exact match, that is probably another $1K or so. 2 decent subs can be had for around $2K in any case. I'd then consider spending upgrading the front 3 speakers with the well-reviewed line you mentioned-the big CC R 600 and either monitor R300s or tower R500s- should be less than $3K street.

ps hadn't seen your reply above
post #62076 of 70900
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

@Max I can attest to the sub distance tweak making a marked improvement in my post Audyssey calibration result with one sub and XT32. I showed various measurements over in the "new" REW and USB mics thread if you're interested.
Interesting. This literally is the first time I've heard of a single sub setup not having an optimized delay setting post Audyssey.


Max
post #62077 of 70900
When listening to music ( I dont like multichannel in music) , its better in stereo with audyssey? or direct? maybe pure?
When I listen in stereo I found that there is too much trebble and the voice of the singer go inside the image...when I listen in direct mode the singer pops out but it sound too flat.
What should I do?
Thank you

PS I have Denon 4311
Edited by evo5 - 5/15/13 at 6:40pm
post #62078 of 70900
For those with dual subs receiving the same signal...

Do you set each sub at 75db(making both combined above 75db) before running Audyssey or do you set them at around 72db so they come together at about 75db when put through Audyssey?
post #62079 of 70900
It really doesn't matter. You'll get a different trim level but the end result will be identical.
post #62080 of 70900
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Originally Posted by evo5 View Post

When listening to music ( I dont like multichannel in music) , its better in stereo with audyssey? or direct? maybe pure?
When I listen in steero I fount that there is too much trebble and the voice of the singer go inside the image...when I listen in direct mode the singer pops out but it sound too flat.
What should I do?
Thank you

PS I have Denon 4311

The only "better" is what sounds good to YOU.
post #62081 of 70900
Ok, a larger negative number the larger the original db used.
post #62082 of 70900
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

For those with dual subs receiving the same signal...

Do you set each sub at 75db(making both combined above 75db) before running Audyssey or do you set them at around 72db so they come together at about 75db when put through Audyssey?

IMO, it is important that:

1. The subs are set to the same level (what level isn't as important as having the subs gain-matched).
2. The subs are equidistant from the MLP (since the distances are not being set individually).
post #62083 of 70900
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

@Max I can attest to the sub distance tweak making a marked improvement in my post Audyssey calibration result with one sub and XT32. I showed various measurements over in the "new" REW and USB mics thread if you're interested.

 

Max, in case you wanted to view the measurements, here is the posting.  The only piece of information missing from the post is the default distance that Audyssey set.  Jkasanic, can you share that information with us?  You chose 22.4'--ho different was that from the default distance?

post #62084 of 70900
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

@Max I can attest to the sub distance tweak making a marked improvement in my post Audyssey calibration result with one sub and XT32. I showed various measurements over in the "new" REW and USB mics thread if you're interested.

Max, in case you wanted to view the measurements, here is the posting.  The only piece of information missing from the post is the default distance that Audyssey set.  Jkasanic, can you share that information with us?  You chose 22.4'--ho different was that from the default distance?

Jerry, not sure if the post you linked to directly included the info you're requesting or not (30' was the sub distance set by Audyssey using my Integra DHC-80.3), but it should be referenced in that discussion or at least in the plots I posted.

I just got all new furniture in my room and plan to do another calibration soon so I'll let you know if anything changes wrt the sub distance tweak improving the FR in my XO region.
post #62085 of 70900
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

For those with dual subs receiving the same signal...

Do you set each sub at 75db(making both combined above 75db) before running Audyssey or do you set them at around 72db so they come together at about 75db when put through Audyssey?

I actually had to set my single HSU vtf15h at 65db to achieve a -5db. Actually I questione I've always had but never asked...
post #62086 of 70900
Quote:
Originally Posted by miked2023 View Post

The boom mic made a huge difference with the crossover readings for me and things are sounding good!

Wanted to know though, and apologies if this should be in another forum, but do you guys use the same Audyssey settings for Stereo Music as well as Theater?

I have most of my music collection streaming through an Apple TV (some Apple lossless encoded but I don't know if it actually streams that or just matches that (in the cases it can) and streams 256 or whatever it is). I've found things sound A LOT better when using Mode1 Restorer function on my Denon 791 but without it and (especially in direct mode for example) the sound from my new NHT Bookshelf Classic 2s sound a little thin. Crossover currently set to 90 I think on those.

Any thoughts? Do you guys take a manual approach ever when listening to music?

THANKS!

I use PLIIX Music in which Audyssey is active. I have a Denon3313. I believe the only way to bypass Audyssey, not sure why you would, is pure/direct mode. Even 2.1 stereo uses Audyssey.

Where are you streaming your music from? I use an Apple TV to stream from my Mac mini. I have apple lossless and just turn on home sharing then go to the "computer" which is the third icon on the top of the menu and there ya have it. It streams lossless. Only if you had iTunes Match on would it give you 256kbps...
post #62087 of 70900
Quote:
Originally Posted by evo5 View Post

When listening to music ( I dont like multichannel in music) , its better in stereo with audyssey? or direct? maybe pure?
When I listen in stereo I found that there is too much trebble and the voice of the singer go inside the image...when I listen in direct mode the singer pops out but it sound too flat.
What should I do?
Thank you

PS I have Denon 4311

 

Are you listening with Dynamic EQ on? If so, try Stereo with Audyssey but with DynamicEQ turned off. Also makes sure that Dynamic Volume, Dolby Volume, THX Loudness Plus or anything similar is also turned off when in Stereo+Audyssey mode. Which Audyssey curve are you using?  Audyssey/Movie or Flat/Music?  Whichever it is, try using the other and see if the sound becomes more to your preference.

 

On Onkyos Direct and Pure are more or less the same thing - Direct bypasses all tone controls, Audyssey, DSP etc and Pure does the same but also bypasses the video circuitry. IDK if that is the same with a Denon.

post #62088 of 70900
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by miked2023 View Post

The boom mic made a huge difference with the crossover readings for me and things are sounding good!

Wanted to know though, and apologies if this should be in another forum, but do you guys use the same Audyssey settings for Stereo Music as well as Theater?

I have most of my music collection streaming through an Apple TV (some Apple lossless encoded but I don't know if it actually streams that or just matches that (in the cases it can) and streams 256 or whatever it is). I've found things sound A LOT better when using Mode1 Restorer function on my Denon 791 but without it and (especially in direct mode for example) the sound from my new NHT Bookshelf Classic 2s sound a little thin. Crossover currently set to 90 I think on those.

Any thoughts? Do you guys take a manual approach ever when listening to music?

THANKS!

I use PLIIX Music in which Audyssey is active. I have a Denon3313. I believe the only way to bypass Audyssey, not sure why you would, is pure/direct mode. Even 2.1 stereo uses Audyssey.
 

 He could just turn Audyssey OFF in the menu if he wished - then he could use Stereo without Audyssey, or indeed any DSP.

post #62089 of 70900
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Are you listening with Dynamic EQ on? If so, try Stereo with Audyssey but with DynamicEQ turned off. Also makes sure that Dynamic Volume, Dolby Volume, THX Loudness Plus or anything similar is also turned off when in Stereo+Audyssey mode. Which Audyssey curve are you using?  Audyssey/Movie or Flat/Music?  Whichever it is, try using the other and see if the sound becomes more to your preference.

On Onkyos Direct and Pure are more or less the same thing - Direct bypasses all tone controls, Audyssey, DSP etc and Pure does the same but also bypasses the video circuitry. IDK if that is the same with a Denon.

Yes,Im listening with Dynamic EQ on,and Audyssey Flat,Dynamic Volume in Day. Im goiing to try with Dynamic EQ off and everything off as you recommends. Thank you!!
post #62090 of 70900
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

@Max I can attest to the sub distance tweak making a marked improvement in my post Audyssey calibration result with one sub and XT32. I showed various measurements over in the "new" REW and USB mics thread if you're interested.

Max, in case you wanted to view the measurements, here is the posting.  The only piece of information missing from the post is the default distance that Audyssey set.  Jkasanic, can you share that information with us?  You chose 22.4'--ho different was that from the default distance?
Something odd is going on in those graphs. In graphs where I've used the delay/distance tweak while measuring from the same mic location, the measurements all traced each other with the exception of the region right around the crossover. In the C+Sub graph, the region above the crossover is showing a boost all the way up to 300Hz. What else was changed besides the distance settings? The distance settings alone cannot account for that. Even some of the peaks/nulls have changed. The graphs certainly show a difference in the crossover region though.


Max
post #62091 of 70900
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Originally Posted by evo5 View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Are you listening with Dynamic EQ on? If so, try Stereo with Audyssey but with DynamicEQ turned off. Also makes sure that Dynamic Volume, Dolby Volume, THX Loudness Plus or anything similar is also turned off when in Stereo+Audyssey mode. Which Audyssey curve are you using?  Audyssey/Movie or Flat/Music?  Whichever it is, try using the other and see if the sound becomes more to your preference.

On Onkyos Direct and Pure are more or less the same thing - Direct bypasses all tone controls, Audyssey, DSP etc and Pure does the same but also bypasses the video circuitry. IDK if that is the same with a Denon.

Yes,Im listening with Dynamic EQ on,and Audyssey Flat,Dynamic Volume in Day. Im goiing to try with Dynamic EQ off and everything off as you recommends. Thank you!!

 

Please try with DEQ off and also with Dynamic Volume off and report back. This could be as simple as doing that. Dynamic EQ is great with movies, but music has no set standards for content creation, so DEQ will often do more harm than good on music. Dynamic Volume 'compresses' the music and should, IMO, never be used unless absolutely unavoidable - eg sleeping children nearby.

 

For an explanation of the two technologies and their differences and different applications, see the FAQ here:

 

g)1.   What is Dynamic Volume?


g)2.   What is Dynamic EQ?


g)3.   What is Reference Level Offset in Dynamic EQ?


g)4.   What's the difference between Dynamic Volume, Dynamic EQ & Reference Level Offset?

post #62092 of 70900
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Please try with DEQ off and also with Dynamic Volume off and report back. This could be as simple as doing that. Dynamic EQ is great with movies, but music has no set standards for content creation, so DEQ will often do more harm than good on music. Dynamic Volume 'compresses' the music and should, IMO, never be used unless absolutely unavoidable - eg sleeping children nearby.

For an explanation of the two technologies and their differences and different applications, see the FAQ here:

g)1.   What is Dynamic Volume?



g)2.   What is Dynamic EQ?



g)3.   What is Reference Level Offset in Dynamic EQ?



g)4.   What's the difference between Dynamic Volume, Dynamic EQ & Reference Level Offset?

Thank you, I will do it and post my comments.
post #62093 of 70900
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

For those with dual subs receiving the same signal...

Do you set each sub at 75db(making both combined above 75db) before running Audyssey or do you set them at around 72db so they come together at about 75db when put through Audyssey?

As others have said, end result will be the same really, but always flavor to taste after audyssey has run smile.gif I end up bumping mine up pretty good after I run my sweeps.

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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

Jerry, not sure if the post you linked to directly included the info you're requesting or not (30' was the sub distance set by Audyssey using my Integra DHC-80.3), but it should be referenced in that discussion or at least in the plots I posted.

I just got all new furniture in my room and plan to do another calibration soon so I'll let you know if anything changes wrt the sub distance tweak improving the FR in my XO region.

So are your subs sealed, ported, or horns? Are they really 30feet away? How far are your main speakers? The same?

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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

I use PLIIX Music in which Audyssey is active. I have a Denon3313. I believe the only way to bypass Audyssey, not sure why you would, is pure/direct mode. Even 2.1 stereo uses Audyssey.

Where are you streaming your music from? I use an Apple TV to stream from my Mac mini. I have apple lossless and just turn on home sharing then go to the "computer" which is the third icon on the top of the menu and there ya have it. It streams lossless. Only if you had iTunes Match on would it give you 256kbps...

If you are streaming through the apple tv as opposed to direct, then you are getting 44.1khz 16bit. Nothing more. I have asked this question before and it appears from what others have posted that you would have to get out of Itunes to stream any higher bitrate than that...

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Are you listening with Dynamic EQ on? If so, try Stereo with Audyssey but with DynamicEQ turned off. Also makes sure that Dynamic Volume, Dolby Volume, THX Loudness Plus or anything similar is also turned off when in Stereo+Audyssey mode. Which Audyssey curve are you using?  Audyssey/Movie or Flat/Music?  Whichever it is, try using the other and see if the sound becomes more to your preference.

On Onkyos Direct and Pure are more or less the same thing - Direct bypasses all tone controls, Audyssey, DSP etc and Pure does the same but also bypasses the video circuitry. IDK if that is the same with a Denon.

Same with the denon's for the Direct vs Pure.

I would suggest turning any dynamic volume off and see what that does.
post #62094 of 70900
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Originally Posted by evo5 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Please try with DEQ off and also with Dynamic Volume off and report back. This could be as simple as doing that. Dynamic EQ is great with movies, but music has no set standards for content creation, so DEQ will often do more harm than good on music. Dynamic Volume 'compresses' the music and should, IMO, never be used unless absolutely unavoidable - eg sleeping children nearby.

For an explanation of the two technologies and their differences and different applications, see the FAQ here:

g)1.   What is Dynamic Volume?



g)2.   What is Dynamic EQ?



g)3.   What is Reference Level Offset in Dynamic EQ?



g)4.   What's the difference between Dynamic Volume, Dynamic EQ & Reference Level Offset?

Thank you, I will do it and post my comments.

 

Please do - there may be other causes of this issue you’re having and once we have ruled out DEQ and DV we can start to to troubleshoot those, if any.

post #62095 of 70900
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

...So as some probably know, I have the dennon 1612 5.1 system with MultiEQ. My speakers (excepting my sub) are 15 year old slightly above their bottom of the line Klipsch's.
If you had the money to spend, which one will get you the most home theater audio bang for your buck, a new receiver with XT 32 or would you get new premium speakers like the KEF R Series? http://www.kef.com/html/us/showroom/hi-fi_series/r_series/overview/.
System used exclusively for blu ray movies.
Tough call. It'd help to know your overall goals, your room, what specifically you're hoping to improve next and how much you're thinking about spending now and over the next year or two on your HT upgrades.

I agree with the prior responses that the room is important but I tend to think in terms of the weakest links in the entire audio chain, then create an upgrade plan based on a well-matched system within overall budget and aimed at your preferences/goals. For most folks without a dedicated room, there's usually not a lot of acoustic treatments in their future. If that's the case for you, good DSP becomes crucial. An upgrade from XT->XT32 yields a fairly big SQ improvement. As mentioned in a post above, a couple of recent and new AVR models from Onkyo and Denon with XT32 can be had for around $1K.

Another factor, especially in untreated rooms, is using 2 subs. Properly positioned and set up, the 2 subs can greatly lessen the room modal problems that so frequently impair overall SQ. Combined with XT32, two subs can be a nice SQ upgrade. If you have a decent sub and can buy an exact match, that is probably another $1K or so. 2 decent subs can be had for around $2K in any case. I'd then consider spending upgrading the front 3 speakers with the well-reviewed line you mentioned-the big CC R 600 and either monitor R300s or tower R500s- should be less than $3K street.

ps hadn't seen your reply above

Appreciate your response SoundofMind. I can tell that an Audyssey upgrade would definitely improve my SQ. It just hurts cause I've upgraded the receiver in the past few years and I always kind of wonder if my speakers need some attention. - back when I bought them I didn't have much money and the whole 5.1 speaker deal was 750$, but the AVR upgrades since have certainly improved the sound, especially when I finally got Audyssey - I'm certainly a fan.
post #62096 of 70900
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

My understanding is that Audyssey EQs down to the f3 point of the subwoofer (the low frequency at which the subwoofer's output has decreased by 3dB) -- in other words, as low as your speaker system can go. That's one of the major attractions of Audyssy when compared to Pioneer's MCACC and Yamaha's YPAO. The lowest frequencies EQd by Sony and Harman Kardon EQ software are unknown.

batpig says down to 10 Hz, Selden Ball says down to the lowest f3 point of the sub, or IOW as low as it can get. Now, which one of you is correct Guys?
post #62097 of 70900
Bring me ANY commercial sub that has an f3 lower than 10hz. ANY SUB. it took 8 sealed high excursion 18's and a 9dB Linkwitz Transform to get my system to have an f-3 below 10hz, who else here is rockin that type of firepower? Just sayin, if it even is available commercially, no one on this thread is more than likely using one.

Also, Rotary Subs don't count....
post #62098 of 70900
We're both correct. 10Hz is the lowest it can go (if I remember correctly) but it will only go that low if the sub does.

This is what I actually said:

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Audyssey will EQ any speaker channel down its measured -3dB point, below which point the filters taper off. The lower limit is 10Hz from what I remember.

In other words, the Audyssey filters correct down to the F3 of the subwoofer, or 10Hz, whichever is higher.
post #62099 of 70900
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Originally Posted by evo5 View Post

When listening to music ( I dont like multichannel in music) , its better in stereo with audyssey? or direct? maybe pure?
When I listen in stereo I found that there is too much trebble and the voice of the singer go inside the image...when I listen in direct mode the singer pops out but it sound too flat.
What should I do?
Thank you

PS I have Denon 4311

Hi evo5, I think stereo music also benefits from Audyssey. Actually Audyssey does not EQ for contents, but for room-speaker interaction. If you have a well planned and implemented speaker layout in your room, and it sounds good for movies, you may use RLO (Reference Level Offset) on top of DynamicEQ for music adjusted to taste. I'm sure RLO will cure your "too much treble" issues, while not sure there is a cure for "voice of the singer go inside the image"! smile.gif

Report back on RLO please. smile.gif
post #62100 of 70900
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

...I've upgraded the receiver in the past few years and I always kind of wonder if my speakers need some attention. - back when I bought them I didn't have much money and the whole 5.1 speaker deal was 750$, but the AVR upgrades since have certainly improved the sound, especially when I finally got Audyssey - I'm certainly a fan.
Upgrading from speakers low in the line is usually pretty good bang-for-the-buck. An inquiry on the Klipsch threads wouldn't hurt to see if someone who has owned those speakers and upgraded can weigh in. Chances are, if you want to upgrade the overall SQ, upgrading at least the fronts will likely be a part of the plan. Upgrading surrounds is optional IMO if they basically timbre-match to the newer Klipsch as they'd likely yield far less bang for buck.
Edited by SoundofMind - 5/16/13 at 2:44pm
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