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...Guys please chirp in if you know why the ported highs and surrounds don't work well set higher than 40/50Hz, considering they go down to 20Hz.......

Congratulations on getting your HT where you want it and I am in the process of getting some questions up for my own dilemma, but your situation also puzzled me: 1) I had no idea that in-ceiling speakers could measure so low and I didn't see where they are rated at 20 Hz on the bottom end 2) I don't understand why the crossover on them and your surrounds would be lower than your mains.

 

I have 4 in-ceiling speakers (mid-range Speakercraft) and my Integra DHC-80.3 consistently crosses them at 40Hz post XT32 calibration.  I only have a legacy setup for REW measurements and haven't bothered to manipulate the connections on the back of my prepro to take some measurements of these speakers but I also find it very peculiar.  I usually just raise them post calibration.  I think some have speculated it could have something to do with how they are mounted in the ceiling?!

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I have 4 in-ceiling speakers (mid-range Speakercraft) and my Integra DHC-80.3 consistently crosses them at 40Hz post XT32 calibration.  I only have a legacy setup for REW measurements and haven't bothered to manipulate the connections on the back of my prepro to take some measurements of these speakers but I also find it very peculiar.  I usually just raise them post calibration.  I think some have speculated it could have something to do with how they are mounted in the ceiling?!

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The speakers in question are not your typical in-ceiling speaker, these are HUGE and heavy. The enclosure is massive and deep, I and the installer were shocked when they first arrived. Also Ive never seen a in-ceiling speaker with a port, obviously to get more bass from them.

BTW. They probably don't go down to 20Hz as Keith mentions, but Im sure they must be playing 40Hz fine where they are now set to. Doesn't matter where I place the mic in the room or what positions, Audyssey always finds them at 40Hz, unlike the other in wall speakers from the same family (sealed) they always are found at 60Hz.

Keith also mentioned that his THX speakers are found at 40Hz after the EQ with Audyssey.

A few years back, it was suggested to me that my ceiling speakers are dealing with a boundary effect from being flush with the ceiling, which is why Audyssey indicated a crossover of 40Hz as well. As a result, I was told I should set the crossover higher, to around 100Hz, with which Chris from Audyssey concurred.
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A few years back, it was suggested to me that my ceiling speakers are dealing with a boundary effect from being flush with the ceiling, which is why Audyssey indicated a crossover of 40Hz as well. As a result, I was told I should set the crossover higher, to around 100Hz, with which Chris from Audyssey concurred.

If I raise mine to 100Hz the resonating is worse than when they are on 80Hz. Believe me for mine I tried every Hz after Audyessy EQ from the set 40Hz up to 120Hz. Each raise of the dial the resonating frequency magnifies and becomes intolerable. All I can say is I'm over the moon I finally found the culprit in this whole debacle. Finally happy I can put my case to rest. Maybe its time to say goodbye to the Audyssey FAQ thread. biggrin.gif
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Is there any difference between the MultEQ and the MultEQ XT32 with regards to reading this thread below?
Do the same rules/guidelines apply for both the MultEQ and MultEQ XT32 are would this through me way off?
I want to know about the MultEQ XT32, not the MultEQ.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#post_21783025

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#post_21783025
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Is there any difference between the MultEQ and the MultEQ XT32 with regards to reading this thread below?
Do the same rules/guidelines apply for both the MultEQ and MultEQ XT32 are would this through me way off?
I want to know about the MultEQ XT32, not the MultEQ.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#post_21783025

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#post_21783025

 

No - no difference in how you go about setting up and performing the calibration. Just follow each step carefully, regardless of your flavour of Audyssey and you should get a good calibration at the first attempt. If you don't, then come back and tell us and we'll help sort it out for you.

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Ask Audessey says to turn Dynamic EQ off for Gaming. I find it adds more bass and makes my rears sound better and clearer.

Should I turn it off? How would I replicate the effects with it off?
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Ask Audessey says to turn Dynamic EQ off for Gaming. I find it adds more bass and makes my rears sound better and clearer.

Should I turn it off? How would I replicate the effects with it off?

Please make sure after Audyssey auto-run you have reset all your speakers to "Small" with a crossover of 80 Hz. That will insure the bass contents of all your speakers will be re-directed to your sub(s). And if it sound good to your ears you can start to enjoy! smile.gif
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should I turn dynamic EQ off for gaming though?
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should I turn dynamic EQ off for gaming though?

We are entering "PreferenceLand". My advice is what ever pleases your ears. On or off up to you! smile.gif: cool:
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I cant make up my mind though hahaha
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I cant make up my mind though hahaha

Houston, Houston, we have a problem here, eh? wink.gif

Just turn DEQ on and off (repeat it a couple of times) while listening carefully, grab a beer (a cold one) and then decide which one you prefer! Deal? cool.gif
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grab a beer (a cold one) and then decide which one you prefer! Deal? cool.gif

only in the EU would you have to make that distinction though smile.gif
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only in the EU would you have to make that distinction though smile.gif

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DECISIONS ARE TOO MUCH

ear overload biggrin.gif
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The reason for this suggestion is twofold:

1. First, video games are not mixed to any specific reference level, so it's hard to know if Dynamic EQ is boosting the bass too much or too little. You can tweak Dyn EQ using the "reference level offset" parameter but, as Feri says, you are now in "preference land" because you never know when it is "correct".

2. More importantly, because of the way surround content in video games differs from that in film content, you can end up with weirdly overboosted surrounds. In addition to the tonal adjustments, Dynamic EQ also pumps up the volume in the surround channels to maintain the sense of the "surround bubble" at lower volumes. However, video games are unique in that a sound can pan 360-degrees around you without any change in level (for example in a first person shooter if you spin your character around). Because of the surround boost of Dynamic EQ, it can make it sound like the volume of the effect jumps suddenly when it hits the surrounds and then drops again when it pans back to the front, which can be annoying / distracting.

Thus, the easiest solution is just to leave Dyn EQ off and adjust the tone manually for video games. If you aren't annoyed by either of the above "problems" though, then by all means leave it on! smile.gif
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The reason for this suggestion is twofold:

1. First, video games are not mixed to any specific reference level, so it's hard to know if Dynamic EQ is boosting the bass too much or too little. You can tweak Dyn EQ using the "reference level offset" parameter but, as Feri says, you are now in "preference land" because you never know when it is "correct".

2. More importantly, because of the way surround content in video games differs from that in film content, you can end up with weirdly overboosted surrounds. In addition to the tonal adjustments, Dynamic EQ also pumps up the volume in the surround channels to maintain the sense of the "surround bubble" at lower volumes. However, video games are unique in that a sound can pan 360-degrees around you without any change in level (for example in a first person shooter if you spin your character around). Because of the surround boost of Dynamic EQ, it can make it sound like the volume of the effect jumps suddenly when it hits the surrounds and then drops again when it pans back to the front, which can be annoying / distracting.

Thus, the easiest solution is just to leave Dyn EQ off and adjust the tone manually for video games. If you aren't annoyed by either of the above "problems" though, then by all means leave it on! smile.gif

thank you, your explanation has been by far the best

Now as for watching blu rays, Should I turn it on or just leave it off??
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Originally Posted by LanceX View Post

thank you, your explanation has been by far the best

Now as for watching blu rays, Should I turn it on or just leave it off??



I think it's all preference. I prefer it on, especially at lower to medium volumes. I find it makes everything sound fuller, and yes a little louder. I'm assuming the Dyn EQ "curve" begins to flatten out when the volume is raised. At what point this is one of the other guys would probably know. Take a listen at say -40 to -30 and turn it on and off, hear what it does. My explanation is it kind of acts like a loudness button that the older receivers used to have. I think you'll find that most leave it on for movies and music.
Edited by comfynumb - 6/25/13 at 5:26pm
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I usually listen to my movies loud though, so does it matter if Dyn EQ is on if volume is high?
Edited by LanceX - 6/25/13 at 6:08pm
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I do too, especially DTS MA, it just sounds better loud smile.gif My suggestion is if you like it at lower volumes then leave it on all the time. I usually listen to movies at around -16 to -8, some are recorded louder than others so where you listen varies. I'm no pro at this but it's still all preference and no one knows your system and listening habits like you do smile.gif One of the other guys would be able to tell you better than I can where Dyn EQ starts to flatten out.
Edited by comfynumb - 6/25/13 at 6:16pm
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Dyn EQ is completely turned off by -0db (Reference level)

Anything below that and the effect is gradually increased.
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*NOTE: Measurement error is a possibility*


So, I was running 0 - 350hz sweeps now that my subwoofers are set up. Lets just say that I am rather surprised by what I am measuring with Audyssey XT32 on and Off.

+40db boost at 10hz ??? Mic position was not changed for both measurements. Multiple sweeps used for both plots. What I'm worried is, if I let these subs RIP, am I going to blow them up ? I'm wondering if the no-EQ plot was some sort of error, because they're 18" drivers tuned to 15hz, with lots of watts on tap, so they shouldn't be falling from 35hz down.

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Dyn EQ is completely turned off by -0db (Reference level)

Anything below that and the effect is gradually increased.

I don't understand this quote, how do I know my volume is at reference level? I listen to my Oknyo at 50-65 DB, 0DB = no sound on mine onkyo709
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I don't understand this quote, how do I know my volume is at reference level? I listen to my Oknyo at 50-65 DB, 0DB = no sound on mine onkyo709

 

You have your master volume set for "absolute" volume displays.  If you change it the "relative" volume displays, then a relative volume setting of zero is "reference" (and is quite loud).  With the relative MV setting, a normal listening range is more likely to be -10 to -25.

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Originally Posted by jonathanc View Post

*NOTE: Measurement error is a possibility*


So, I was running 0 - 350hz sweeps now that my subwoofers are set up. Lets just say that I am rather surprised by what I am measuring with Audyssey XT32 on and Off.

+40db boost at 10hz ??? Mic position was not changed for both measurements. Multiple sweeps used for both plots. What I'm worried is, if I let these subs RIP, am I going to blow them up ? I'm wondering if the no-EQ plot was some sort of error, because they're 18" drivers tuned to 15hz, with lots of watts on tap, so they shouldn't be falling from 35hz down.

 

Jonathan, the measurement with Audyssey off is suspect.  I would re-measure.  To give you something to compare with, here are my measurement.  The Audyssey Off vs. On should not be radically different.

 


Edited by AustinJerry - 6/25/13 at 7:11pm
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I decided to leave dyn EQ off even for movies. I raised volume on rears and Sub( +12 ) and im liking the sound biggrin.gif
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Careful. It takes over 10x the power to play +12db louder than normal. At lower volumes this will be fine. At loud volumes, you could introduce clipping and distortion. Not good for the subwoofer.
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Originally Posted by LanceX View Post

Ask Audessey says to turn Dynamic EQ off for Gaming. I find it adds more bass and makes my rears sound better and clearer.

Should I turn it off? How would I replicate the effects with it off?

 

If you prefer it on, leave it on. It's your system.

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grab a beer (a cold one) and then decide which one you prefer! Deal? cool.gif

only in the EU would you have to make that distinction though smile.gif

 

No beer in Europe. Just fizzy lager ;)  You have to come to England for real beer. Served, of course, at cellar temperature (aka 'warm' to people brought up on fizzy lager). I am desperately trying to find a way to bring this back on topic.... but failing. Sorry guys. This post will auto-delete in 12 hours.

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I usually listen to my movies loud though, so does it matter if Dyn EQ is on if volume is high?

 

The effect of DEQ 'tapers off' as you increase the master volume, so there is no harm in leaving it on all the time for movies.

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Edited by comfynumb - 6/27/13 at 5:27am
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