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post #63871 of 70893
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Originally Posted by mogorf View Post


Hi Kal, care to explain/expand a bit on why you are not using DEQ? We know it's not due to lack of your understanding or even some odd setup of your speaker system, eh?! JK Your opinion is always appreciated here! smile.gif

I can generally play my system at any level I choose (no kids around, disinterested wife, neighbors distant),  Also, I have yet to find it comfortable.  No matter how I adjust it, it is inevitable that, sooner or later, I am bothered by the bass boost coloring the lower midrange.  That makes me defeat it.

 

To be honest, I do use it for sporting events.

post #63872 of 70893
Audyssey in my Onkyo 818 set my B&W Nautilus 805's,CDME 1's and center channel speaker all at 40Hz and small. Both sets of speakers are on floor stands. It's my understanding that THX recommends the speakers be at 80Hz. Is 80Hz the proper setting? And, if so, should I appreciate any enhancement in audio quality changing the crossover points to 80Hz? BTW: My system is 5.1 and is accompanied by a M&K MX-350thx subwoofer.
post #63873 of 70893
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Originally Posted by quicknick View Post

Audyssey in my Onkyo 818 set my B&W Nautilus 805's,CDME 1's and center channel speaker all at 40Hz and small. Both sets of speakers are on floor stands. It's my understanding that THX recommends the speakers be at 80Hz. Is 80Hz the proper setting? And, if so, should I appreciate any enhancement in audio quality changing the crossover points to 80Hz? BTW: My system is 5.1 and is accompanied by a M&K MX-350thx subwoofer.

You understand correctly. Try it that way a week, or so, then try as set by your AVR after running Audyssey. See which YOU like best.
post #63874 of 70893
Don't know what the initial Bass setting should be for Onkyo, someone else hep him out.

Normal? LPF for LFE should be 120.

When you try the other way, select Double Bass for Bass setting & speakers set to Large.
post #63875 of 70893
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Originally Posted by mogorf View Post

This can, of course, be a good idea, but IMHO it is really just a workaround. I think the best Fox could do as a kick-start could be called a "cold setup" of speakers in his room:

1. Get rid of TV almost on the floor/ close the door on the left
2. Aim Center speaker to seated ear height at MLP
3. Toe-in front L & Rs to MLP
4. Turn surrounds to face MLP, probably move them to be on the sides of the MLP (and not behind)
5. Do a subwoofer crawl.

And then Run Audyssey. When finished set all speakers to Small, set crossovers to 80 Hz, engage DEQ, leave DynVol off.

Enjoy! smile.gif

I'm with you Feri. That room is poorly setup to start with and if it was my room I'd flip it 180 degrees so you could get all the front speakers the same distance and move them a foot or so closer in towards the TV and away from the walls. The center speaker is aimed into the back of the TV, which is on the floor. Getting it up higher, around 3 feet would leave plenty of room to place the center under it and probably alleviate a lot of neck problems down the line.
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Any problem Guys while trying to help out other members in setting up their systems properly prior to running Audyssey? What's all this workaround about?

Couldn't agree more. I understand everyone trying to be helpful and adjusting this up and that down, but I'll bet that he could flip that room, properly set it up, and have a nice little theatre in less than a couple of hours.
Edited by Patrick Murphy - 7/30/13 at 6:50pm
post #63876 of 70893
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I think, BICBW, that with Onkyos 0dB relative = about 82dB absolute, so he is about 12dB away from Reference at 70 (assuming some sort of linearity to the scale). Not Reference anyway. Agree it is better to set the MV to relative.

You are absolutely correct. With +70 I'm at -12dB. Maybe DEQ is still the way to go then...eek.gif
post #63877 of 70893
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+1

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Any problem Guys while trying to help out other members in setting up their systems properly prior to running Audyssey? What's all this workaround about?

 

No problem at all here - but you keep missing that Fox finds dialogue clarity to be perfectly fine if he simply switches off DEQ. This would suggest that it is DEQ which is causing the problem, not the location of his TV, or the orientation of his speakers etc.  He has adopted the solutions suggested by several members and is now happy with the sound. Job done.

 

I agree there is much he can do to improve the room - but he hasn't asked for any advice with regard to that so, IMO, it is inappropriate to tell him to junk the TV, move the speakers etc - none of which will have any bearing on his issue, which, I repeat, is that when he engages DEQ he finds dialogue clarity is diminished. When he disengages DEQ he finds the reverse. It is very likely that the boosts being applied by DEQ are masking the detail from the centre channel, so either of the following suggestions will (and have) work:  a) leaving DEQ on and turning up the centre channel a little or b) turning DEQ off and turning up the surrounds and bass a little.

 

Neither Audyssey nor DEQ (nor pretty much anything else) is perfect, Feri and sometimes it is necessary to adapt and improvise. Starting from the position "Audyssey is perfect" is always going to lead one down the wrong path IMO.

post #63878 of 70893
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Originally Posted by quicknick View Post

Audyssey in my Onkyo 818 set my B&W Nautilus 805's,CDME 1's and center channel speaker all at 40Hz and small. Both sets of speakers are on floor stands. It's my understanding that THX recommends the speakers be at 80Hz. Is 80Hz the proper setting? And, if so, should I appreciate any enhancement in audio quality changing the crossover points to 80Hz? BTW: My system is 5.1 and is accompanied by a M&K MX-350thx subwoofer.

 

Have a read of these FAQ answers and see if they answer your question. If not, please feel free to come back and say so!

 

c)1.   Why are my Crossovers set differently to my speaker manufacturer's specification?


c)2.   Why do I often see advice to raise the Crossovers to 80Hz?
 

c)3.   I have big tower speakers at the front. Shouldn't I set these to Large'?
 

c)4.   Is it OK to change the Crossovers from Audyssey's recommendation?
 

post #63879 of 70893
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Don't know what the initial Bass setting should be for Onkyo, someone else hep him out.

Normal? LPF for LFE should be 120.

When you try the other way, select Double Bass for Bass setting & speakers set to Large.

 

I would strongly urge the member NOT to use double bass!  Here is why:

 

f)7.    What is ‘LFE + Main’ or ‘Double Bass’ and should I use it?

post #63880 of 70893
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

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Originally Posted by mogorf View Post

This can, of course, be a good idea, but IMHO it is really just a workaround. I think the best Fox could do as a kick-start could be called a "cold setup" of speakers in his room:

1. Get rid of TV almost on the floor/ close the door on the left
2. Aim Center speaker to seated ear height at MLP
3. Toe-in front L & Rs to MLP
4. Turn surrounds to face MLP, probably move them to be on the sides of the MLP (and not behind)
5. Do a subwoofer crawl.

And then Run Audyssey. When finished set all speakers to Small, set crossovers to 80 Hz, engage DEQ, leave DynVol off.

Enjoy! smile.gif

I'm with you Feri. That room is poorly setup to start with and if it was my room I'd flip it 180 degrees so you could get all the front speakers the same distance and move them a foot or so closer in towards the TV and away from the walls. The center speaker is aimed into the back of the TV, which is on the floor. Getting it up higher, around 3 feet would leave plenty of room to place the center under it and probably alleviate a lot of neck problems down the line.
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Any problem Guys while trying to help out other members in setting up their systems properly prior to running Audyssey? What's all this workaround about?

Couldn't agree more. I understand everyone trying to be helpful and adjusting this up and that down, but I'll bet that he could flip that room, properly set it up, and have a nice little theatre in less than a couple of hours.

 

I bet he could too, Patrick!  But he didn't ask for that advice. I am sure if he redesigned the room, moved the TV, bought and learned how to use REW, added a fair number of acoustic treatment panels, painted the room in dark colours (to help with the PJ PQ), added an additional sub to smooth the bass response etc etc etc, he would get a much better result!  But all he wanted to know is what he can do to improve dialogue clarity while also continuing to use DEQ. He has been given that advice, followed it, and is happy.

 

Of course, if Fox wants further advice on how to radically improve the sound in his room, then I am sure he will ask and I am equally sure we can all respond with many great suggestions.

post #63881 of 70893
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

No problem at all here - but you keep missing that Fox finds dialogue clarity to be perfectly fine if he simply switches off DEQ. This would suggest that it is DEQ which is causing the problem, not the location of his TV, or the orientation of his speakers etc.  He has adopted the solutions suggested by several members and is now happy with the sound. Job done.

I agree there is much he can do to improve the room - but he hasn't asked for any advice with regard to that so, IMO, it is inappropriate to tell him to junk the TV, move the speakers etc - none of which will have any bearing on his issue, which, I repeat, is that when he engages DEQ he finds dialogue clarity is diminished. When he disengages DEQ he finds the reverse. It is very likely that the boosts being applied by DEQ are masking the detail from the centre channel, so either of the following suggestions will (and have) work:  a) leaving DEQ on and turning up the centre channel a little or b) turning DEQ off and turning up the surrounds and bass a little.

Neither Audyssey nor DEQ (nor pretty much anything else) is perfect, Feri and sometimes it is necessary to adapt and improvise. Starting from the position "Audyssey is perfect" is always going to lead one down the wrong path IMO.

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post #63882 of 70893
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Don't know what the initial Bass setting should be for Onkyo, someone else hep him out.


Normal? LPF for LFE should be 120.


When you try the other way, select Double Bass for Bass setting

I would strongly urge the member NOT to use double bass!  Here is why:

f)7.    What is ‘LFE + Main’ or ‘Double Bass’ and should I use it?

Why would you care if he gives it a try?
post #63883 of 70893
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Originally Posted by Fox Mulder87 View Post

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I think, BICBW, that with Onkyos 0dB relative = about 82dB absolute, so he is about 12dB away from Reference at 70 (assuming some sort of linearity to the scale). Not Reference anyway. Agree it is better to set the MV to relative.

You are absolutely correct. With +70 I'm at -12dB. Maybe DEQ is still the way to go then...eek.gif

 

If you are happy with it now, I would take a break, sit back and enjoy it for a while. If you continue to find issues you are not happy with, then come back and there will be plenty of advice on offer. There is a lot you can do with your room (WAF considered) that will make a big difference. If the room is set aside for movies etc, then WAF may well be helpful and you could rearrange things, add a few treatments, move the speakers and subs to optimise them in the room etc.  As you didn’t indicate in your initial post that these things were up for consideration, most of the replies you received concentrated on the specific problem you had identified.  If you want to go further, by all means just say... (although this may not be the best thread for that - but you could start a thread of your own and give us the link and I am sure a few of us would schlep over there to help).

 

Never forget that the single most important component in your system, and the one that affects the sound quality the most, is the room itself

post #63884 of 70893
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No problem at all here - but you keep missing that Fox finds dialogue clarity to be perfectly fine if he simply switches off DEQ. This would suggest that it is DEQ which is causing the problem, not the location of his TV, or the orientation of his speakers etc.  He has adopted the solutions suggested by several members and is now happy with the sound. Job done.

I agree there is much he can do to improve the room - but he hasn't asked for any advice with regard to that so, IMO, it is inappropriate to tell him to junk the TV, move the speakers etc - none of which will have any bearing on his issue, which, I repeat, is that when he engages DEQ he finds dialogue clarity is diminished. When he disengages DEQ he finds the reverse. It is very likely that the boosts being applied by DEQ are masking the detail from the centre channel, so either of the following suggestions will (and have) work:  a) leaving DEQ on and turning up the centre channel a little or b) turning DEQ off and turning up the surrounds and bass a little.

Neither Audyssey nor DEQ (nor pretty much anything else) is perfect, Feri and sometimes it is necessary to adapt and improvise. Starting from the position "Audyssey is perfect" is always going to lead one down the wrong path IMO.

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Fair enough, Feri. I am always happy to be disagreed with, especially by you wink.gif Some of us (beast, Sanjay, me) gave Fox advice that has helped him. And others, er, didn't. 

post #63885 of 70893
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Fair enough, Feri. I am always happy to be disagreed with, especially by you wink.gif
 Some of us (beast, Sanjay, me) gave Fox advice that has helped him. And others, er, didn't. 

In my reading Keith, Fox is still hesitante whether to use DEQ or not? What advice would help him best than Partick's advise to flip the room around! smile.gif
post #63886 of 70893
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Don't know what the initial Bass setting should be for Onkyo, someone else hep him out.


Normal? LPF for LFE should be 120.


When you try the other way, select Double Bass for Bass setting

I would strongly urge the member NOT to use double bass!  Here is why:

f)7.    What is ‘LFE + Main’ or ‘Double Bass’ and should I use it?

Why would you care if he gives it a try?

 

Mainly because it is a bad idea. The FAQ answer explains why.

post #63887 of 70893
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Fair enough, Feri. I am always happy to be disagreed with, especially by you wink.gif
 Some of us (beast, Sanjay, me) gave Fox advice that has helped him. And others, er, didn't. 

In my reading Keith, Fox is still hesitante whether to use DEQ or not? What advice would help him best than Partick's advise to flip the room around! smile.gif

 

Yeah - maybe we should suggest he move house too!  

 

EDIT: Fox has clarified his position now - no hesitation, he prefers DEQ to be off. Nothing wrong with that, surely? Kal also prefers it off. And, once upon a time, so did I  - effectively using RLO at 10dB which turned it off at my (then) usual listening level of about -9dB (but left it available for more casual listening at lower SPLs). Subsequently, significant changes to the room have caused me to prefer DEQ on again, with current listening level typically in the -7.5 to -5.0dB range, depending on content. It's just a matter of preference, Feri. Some like it on, some like it off. Fox likes it off :)


Edited by kbarnes701 - 7/31/13 at 7:20am
post #63888 of 70893
I've read & re-read that, & so far think it sounds 100 percent better! But, my room is cavernous & the SWs inadequate.

Another SW is high priority, & I'll try 80, small, et Cetera again, once I get it in place.

Plus what's another Heresy ;-) to my system?
Edited by SanchoPanza - 7/31/13 at 4:29am
post #63889 of 70893
Guys, just to clear the air: I again tested with DEQ ON today. Tried different trim levels, crossovers, etc. and I can only reiterate that for me, DEQ OFF will work best. I'm very happy how it sounds in my room now with DEQ off. XT32 is an upgrade to the Audyssey I had on the Onkyo 616, so that alone is a plus!!! Thanks again for all your help and until next time. smile.gif
post #63890 of 70893
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

I've read & re-read that, & so far think it sounds 100 percent better! But, my room is cavernous & the SWs inadequate.

Another SW is high priority, & I'll try 80, small, et Cetera again, once I get it in place.

Plus what's another Heresy ;-) to my system?

 

Fair comment - it is your system and your ears at the end of the day. If you have a small or inadequate sub, I guess you could get away with double bass because the chance of 'bass bloat' is going to be less. There's still the possibility of phase cancellation and the fact that you'll be applying two different sets of Audyssey filters to the same frequencies (unless you use XT32 - sorry - can’t recall).

 

A good sub is essential though and you are moving in the right direction. One suggestion: it's not so much the size of the room that matters as the distance you sit from the speakers. Have you tried moving the sub closer to the MLP so that you are sitting in the sub's near field range?  You could find that improves the bass quite a bit.

post #63891 of 70893
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Originally Posted by Fox Mulder87 View Post

Guys, just to clear the air: I again tested with DEQ ON today. Tried different trim levels, crossovers, etc. and I can only reiterate that for me, DEQ OFF will work best. I'm very happy how it sounds in my room now with DEQ off. XT32 is an upgrade to the Audyssey I had on the Onkyo 616, so that alone is a plus!!! Thanks again for all your help and until next time. smile.gif

 

Another satisfied customer smile.gif  And you didn't need to move house after all! LOL. Glad you are now happy with the sound.

post #63892 of 70893
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Another satisfied customer smile.gif
  And you didn't need to move house after all! LOL. Glad you are now happy with the sound.

lol
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I've read -) to my system?

Fair comment - it is your system and your ears at the end of the day. If you have a small or inadequate sub, I guess you could get away with double bass because the chance of 'bass bloat' is going to be less. There's still the possibility of phase cancellation and the fact that you'll be applying two different sets of Audyssey filters to the same frequencies (unless you use XT32 - sorry - can’t recall).

A good sub is essential though and you are moving in the right direction. One suggestion: it's not so much the size of the room that matters as the distance you sit from the speakers. Have you tried moving the sub closer to the MLP so that you are sitting in the sub's near field range?  You could find that improves the bass quite a bit.

Thanks, always trying to help. Do have DEQ on, though. SW in best position I could find, 10 feet away. In summer I sit quite close, near the refrigerated air, maybe 8 feet.
post #63894 of 70893
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Screwing around? Hmmm...In this HT hobby time should be no object, while getting things right in the first place will be more than rewarding. smile.gif

Time is money Feri, and would you beleive it? He tried just simply bumping the surrounds and he loves it!

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Any problem Guys while trying to help out other members in setting up their systems properly prior to running Audyssey? What's all this workaround about?

I would call it anything but proper if he is running Audyssey with doors shut, tv's removed etc etc. Once you return your room back to how you usually listen, your results are now immediately screwed. Your other suggestions are standard practice, but the first point is off. Regardless, Agent Mulder is happy so let it be.
post #63895 of 70893
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I've read -) to my system?

Fair comment - it is your system and your ears at the end of the day. If you have a small or inadequate sub, I guess you could get away with double bass because the chance of 'bass bloat' is going to be less. There's still the possibility of phase cancellation and the fact that you'll be applying two different sets of Audyssey filters to the same frequencies (unless you use XT32 - sorry - can’t recall).

A good sub is essential though and you are moving in the right direction. One suggestion: it's not so much the size of the room that matters as the distance you sit from the speakers. Have you tried moving the sub closer to the MLP so that you are sitting in the sub's near field range?  You could find that improves the bass quite a bit.

Thanks, always trying to help. Do have DEQ on, though. SW in best position I could find, 10 feet away. In summer I sit quite close, near the refrigerated air, maybe 8 feet.

 

Fair enough - sounds like you need some serious additional woofage then.

post #63896 of 70893
Prolly end up with a couple of Bill's DiY Tuba HT.

XT32 & SubEQ in plans, too.
post #63897 of 70893
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Why would you care if he gives it a try?

Also, while some might see the subs couple nicely to the mains, or boost the low end, sometimes it makes matters much worse. For instance if the subs and the mains are not perfectly in phase (common) then having both playing in the same range will cause certain frequnecies to cancel out, which is obviously very undesirable. Some people perceive a benefit initially using double bass but after further listening realize that the bloat or added bass is not linear in most cases and measuring typically confirms this to be exactly the case. Keith you might want to add the phasing issue explanation into your FAQ. You can quote this post if you feel that it passes the test smile.gif
post #63898 of 70893
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Time is money Feri,

This only for you beast, not for Keith, not for Fox, or anyone else, for you only: what exactly do you want to say by "time is money"? This is our hobby, isn't it? We all try our best to perfect it one way or the other. But really, are we on NYSE where we need to make quick and wise decisions on a "time is money" basis? I don't think so! LOL I know of a Texan who is now analyzing ceiling fan blade issues (both stationary and when rotating) vs. reflections measured at MLP. Is he killing his precious time and loosing money? I don't think so, you know why? Coz this is his hobby and he is a curious guy who wants to explore everything to the brim. Good fellow, isn't he? smile.gif
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I would call it anything but proper if he is running Audyssey with doors shut, tv's removed etc etc. Once you return your room back to how you usually listen, your results are now immediately screwed. Your other suggestions are standard practice, but the first point is off. Regardless, Agent Mulder is happy so let it be.

You seem to be confused here, nobody said the door should be closed, the TV lifted for Audyssey auto-run and then reopened and replaced. Arrgh! eek.gifbiggrin.gif
post #63899 of 70893
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This is our hobby, isn't it?
Yes, it sure is!
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But really, are we on NYSE where we need to make quick and wise decisions on a "time is money" basis?
I don't know about you, but I sure am.
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Is he killing his precious time and loosing money?
He ain't makin' money doing those measurements, just saying.
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Coz this is his hobby and he is a curious guy who wants to explore everything to the brim. Good fellow, isn't he?
As do I...and I'm sure he is a wonderful person.

My point was that if you aren't making money, you are losing it, but money obviously isn't everything and most folks here are going to know that already. If a poster takes interest and enjoyment in moving his entire room around to experiment that is perfectly fine with me. Heck, I moved all my couches and second row platform and bar to the other side wall the night before last, just to see if I liked it more. I have done endless amounts of sweeps, designed my own speakers, and built all kinds of stuff BECAUSE I ENJOY IT. But Feri, don't immediately assume that folks have the time or DESIRE to move their entire room around just to potentially get a better sound. I don't know a single one of my local friends that would even think about something like that being fun!!!!

However, that's not how you or I, or Kieth or Sanjay work, amongst many others around these parts, as we chase that last 1% of performance, and take much enjoyment out of "Tweaking" our systems. Once again though, not all are like we are. Yea yea, I'm "losing money" too when I am playing in the theater, but I get personal fullfillment out of tinkering in my "man cave." You can't put a monetary value on time spent enjoying a hobby, but maybe, just maybe, some folks reading here don't find flipping an entire room upside down as "Worth the trouble."

In this most recent example, simply bumping a few trim levels sealed the deal for Mulder. He is happy, and didn't have to do anything additional. This is the last I will discuss this part as the OP is happy and there is no need to continue down this redundant path of redundancy tongue.gifwink.gif
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Yes, it sure is!
I don't know about you, but I sure am.
He ain't makin' money doing those measurements, just saying.
As do I...and I'm sure he is a wonderful person.

My point was that if you aren't making money, you are losing it, but money obviously isn't everything and most folks here are going to know that already. If a poster takes interest and enjoyment in moving his entire room around to experiment that is perfectly fine with me. Heck, I moved all my couches and second row platform and bar to the other side wall the night before last, just to see if I liked it more. I have done endless amounts of sweeps, designed my own speakers, and built all kinds of stuff BECAUSE I ENJOY IT. But Feri, don't immediately assume that folks have the time or DESIRE to move their entire room around just to potentially get a better sound. I don't know a single one of my local friends that would even think about something like that being fun!!!!

However, that's not how you or I, or Kieth or Sanjay work, amongst many others around these parts, as we chase that last 1% of performance, and take much enjoyment out of "Tweaking" our systems. Once again though, not all are like we are. Yea yea, I'm "losing money" too when I am playing in the theater, but I get personal fullfillment out of tinkering in my "man cave." You can't put a monetary value on time spent enjoying a hobby, but maybe, just maybe, some folks reading here don't find flipping an entire room upside down as "Worth the trouble."

In this most recent example, simply bumping a few trim levels sealed the deal for Mulder. He is happy, and didn't have to do anything additional. This is the last I will discuss this part as the OP is happy and there is no need to continue down this redundant path of redundancy tongue.gifwink.gif

Of come on, if we didn't chase that 1%, we wouldn't be posting and we'd be raiding Keith's backlog of movies tongue.gif. Otherwise I'd have put my Audyssey Pro kit (and REW for that matter) into storage until we either move or if I want to see if having baby toys in our living room has "de-optimized" the imaging and center channel dialogue this fall. BTW we're in the home stretch - approximately five-six weeks and counting.

As for money, for those of us (like me) that are consultants, if I could convert my six months of time of periodic researching non-Audyssey room correction and acoustics treatments that work in our living room configuration into billable hours, I'd have Focal speakers and a collection of Trinnov and ADA-based processors LOL....

Having said that, It could be worse. In the interests of "science", I've been considering building a HTPC for the specific purpose of running Dirac Live, because it allegedly has better control of target curve editing and impulse response than Audyssey. But to do so, I'd need to configure the right HTPC with proper cooling, a solid state drive for speed, and a robust power supply, pick up an external multichannel DAC converter with A/D/A capacity, and either use that PC as a server connected my 4311, and/or route the analog output from my Denon 4311 to that PC and to a secondary amp. To do it right means picking up pro audio cards and a major time investment getting the HTPC, Dirac, and possibly JRiver to play well together. And if I was concerned about the amp I wouldn't use the old Pioneer Class D AVR I'd planned on using as an "amp" and pick up an external amp. Can you say Emotiva eek.gif. That's what happens when you spend too much time reading the $20K+ forum rolleyes.gif...

Bottom line is the project would set me back somewhere between $4K and $5K, counting a Lynx audio card, the Dirac license, and SSD drive, plus the time I'd spend trying to learn JRiver and trouble-shoot getting the drivers to play nice with one another. All just to use one alternative room correction system....eek.gifeek.gif

Somehow sitting back and enjoying the room isn't so crazy after all...at least until we move in the next few years post-baby. Then worrying about room configurations from scratch and treatments to define the acoustic space is more feasible. And who knows..maybe Audyssey will have evolved from the "finished product" it is for room correction - as opposed to post-Audyssey processing like DEQ - by then. And Feri could sell us more on the perfection of what Chris K. gave us....tongue.gif

By the way, when we _do_ move in 2014 or 2015, the first thing I'm looking at in a living room or possible HT room is the room configuration. I don't want to "downsize" from where we are, after all.
Edited by sdrucker - 7/31/13 at 2:43pm
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