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"Top of the line" has nothing to do with it. Do you have a user manual?

@ comfynumb -- I already suggested that, note that on Onkyo the "Flat" curve is called "Music".

See here: a)7. What are the Audyssey 'Movie' ('Reference') and 'Music' ('Flat') curves?
post #66422 of 70896
I can download one. Do I need an OSD menu for that? I don't think mine works anymore lol. But usually when I got into audessey setup, looking at the reciever desiplay, it just tells me to place Mic in position one and then click next.
post #66423 of 70896
It's not done during setup (calibration), it's a post setup setting that you can change.
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Ahh ok. I'm about to download the manual
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I don't see anything in the audessey section about music or flat in the manual. After I do audessey I can adjust the levels of each speaker and their crossover. But anything eq wise is done with audessey and I don't think I can change it unless I'm no longer using it. Maybe I'm missing something
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I just read somewhere that onkyo doesn't allow me to do what we are talking about. Is there any other wag to increase the highs level? While having audessey set up?
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Originally Posted by Brad Sutliff View Post

I just read somewhere that onkyo doesn't allow me to do what we are talking about. Is there any other wag to increase the highs level? While having audessey set up?

Try using THX Music Mode

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Brad if your OSD isn't working, maybe you have an android phone or iPhone. I have an app for my iPhone that allows me to adjust many things including Audyssey. The nice thing about these is your phone is now your display. Granted you can't adjust everything from your phone but you can adjust many this way. Just a thought.
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Thanks comfy I'll try that. And primetime what's the difference between music mode and movie mode? Would it still direct different sounds the same and everything like that?
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Originally Posted by Brad Sutliff View Post

I just read somewhere that onkyo doesn't allow me to do what we are talking about. Is there any other wag to increase the highs level? While having audessey set up?

You should have "tone" controls in your onkyo. I have a 5 year old model that has them. tx-nr805 or something like that. It wont be an audyssey setting but should be in the audio menu of the AVR.

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Originally Posted by Brad Sutliff View Post

Thanks comfy I'll try that. And primetime what's the difference between music mode and movie mode? Would it still direct different sounds the same and everything like that?

Movie mode rolls the higher end off where music mode goes for the flattest response up to 20khz if you have speakers capable of getting that far. What else are you working with here? Onkyo model and speaker model woulp help tremendously.
post #66431 of 70896
SO dudes, I ran some OM sweeps tonight and I have a pretty great sounding non-audyssey response with a pretty serious room curve all the way down. It ain't the flattest I have had, but I really do prefer it for music. Anyways, it got me thinking, what if I put my dual channel 31 band 1/3 octave EQ and did some serious cutting in the house curve area, say 100-1khz to get the response flat without audyssey, then ran audyssey, and then turned around and brought the low end back up so I get the killer smooth EQ of audyssey and still get the house curve that I so wish was part of the audyssey calibration? Might be fun to try out. My only issue here is the fuzzy math and where the filters are set and what manually eqing would do after the fact by adjusting the 31 band eq back to normal. I know aud has way more filters, but it just might work if done right. Could be a cool little experiment at least...

post #66432 of 70896
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You should have "tone" controls in your onkyo. I have a 5 year old model that has them. tx-nr805 or something like that. It wont be an audyssey setting but should be in the audio menu of the AVR.
Movie mode rolls the higher end off where music mode goes for the flattest response up to 20khz if you have speakers capable of getting that far. What else are you working with here? Onkyo model and speaker model woulp help tremendously.

Thanks. So the music mode is still 7.1? I have a mythos 8 center. Studio monitor 350s for fronts and then some Sony speakers for the heights. (Upgrading soon) my surrounds are klipsch s10s.

I can adjust treble and bass. Would boosting the treble help?
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

It works really well IMO. I also adjusted the PLII and took a little of the center channel (center width) out of the mains, I went from the default of 3 to 1 and it seems like it added some bass to my LP. Why I have no idea?

So is theres feature on onkyo to boost the highs? i have the Tx Sr607. Im not super happy with PLIIz but i have heights and no room for wides or rears so thats what im stuck with

 

Not a tone control but you can set 3 levels of 'effect' for PLIIz with Onkyos.  From memory, it's Speaker Setup > Audio Adjust > Dolby > PLIIz > Low. Medium, High. If that menu sequence doesn't take you there, poke around and you'll find it.

 

BTW, all this discussion of DSPs is interesting but it's way off topic.

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Originally Posted by Brad Sutliff View Post

Thanks comfy I'll try that. And primetime what's the difference between music mode and movie mode? Would it still direct different sounds the same and everything like that?

Can't believe your AVR or pre/pro won't allow you to choose between Audyssey movie and Audyssey music (a.k.a. Audyssey Flat). Well, almost can't believe it.
After Audyssey runs, and any desired changes are made in x-over, etc., my Marantz gives me a choice of "Audyssey" (variously called -- by different manufacturers -- "Audyssey Reference, Movie or Cinema"), "Audyssey Flat," "Manual," and OFF. This is on the same screen as "Dynamic EQ," and "Dynamic Volume," so look on that screen with your AVR. "Dynamic EQ" starts using Audyssey Flat as a base, so I'm betting that your AVR has "Audyssey Flat." On mine, all of this is under "Audyssey Settings," under "Audio Adjust." You can switch back and forth between Audyssey and Audyssey Flat to compare them by ear. Audyssey Flat has more very high treble. Whoever sold you the AVR (store or mail order) should have someone who can help you with this.

If you use true "tone" controls, they won't mess up the room comp Audyssey set up, and neither will Audyssey or Audyssey Flat.
If, however, you use the virtual sliders on the graphic EQ, they will turn Audyssey off as soon as you touch them. The key is whether the Audyssey light stays on. If it's off, it's off.
Edited by garygarrison - 10/31/13 at 5:30pm
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  • Can't believe your AVR or pre/pro won't allow you to choose between Audyssey movie and Audyssey music (a.k.a. Audyssey Flat). Well, almost can't believe it.
After Audyssey runs, and any desired changes are made in x-over, etc., my Marantz gives me a choice of "Audyssey" (variously called -- by different manufacturers -- "Audyssey Reference, Movie or Cinema"), "Audyssey Flat," "Manual," and OFF. This is on the same screen as "Dynamic EQ," and "Dynamic Volume," so look on that screen with your AVR. "Dynamic EQ" starts using Audyssey Flat as a base, so I'm betting that your AVR has "Audyssey Flat." On mine, all of this is under "Audyssey Settings," under "Audio Adjust." You can switch back and forth between Audyssey and Audyssey Flat to compare them by ear. Audyssey Flat has more very high treble. Whoever sold you the AVR (store or mail order) should have someone who can help you with this.
  • If you use true "tone" controls, they won't mess up the room comp Audyssey set up, and neither will Audyssey or Audyssey Flat.
If, however, you use the virtual sliders on the graphic EQ, they will turn Audyssey off as soon as you touch them. The key is whether the Audyssey light stays on. If it's off, it's off.

Older and lower end Onkyo's do not have the option.  Only way to get flat/music is to use THX Music mode or THX Movie with Re-Eq off.

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Originally Posted by garygarrison View Post

"Dynamic EQ" starts using Audyssey Flat as a base, so I'm betting that your AVR has "Audyssey Flat."

False. There is no relationship whatsoever between DEQ and the target curve.
post #66437 of 70896
I'm realizing now that his Onkyo 607 probably predates the option for user selected target curve. Onkyo only allowed the music/movie curve selection with more recent models.

On these older models with thx modes you could still get there but I don't think the 607 has thx.
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Thanks guys. My recoever is getting old. 2009. I'm going to look for the plIIz effect level and try that out.
post #66439 of 70896
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False. There is no relationship whatsoever between DEQ and the target curve.

Sorry, I must have misremembered something I read in Ask Audyssey or in the Marantz manual. I thought it made some sense, because then Audyssey wouldn't have to turn the treble up again for DEQ, after turning it down for Audyssey reference/movie.
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Originally Posted by Brad Sutliff View Post

Thanks guys. My recoever is getting old. 2009. I'm going to look for the plIIz effect level and try that out.

 

Remember that only affects the level of the Height channels though and has no bearing on their frequency response as such. I find I leave the PLIIz setting on High all the time, and it is still fairly subtle.

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Q: I have a Klipsch RW-12d that is a bit too loud for the neighbors on the settings that Audyssey sets it to. Should I lower the volume or make some crossover change to make the sound both improve for my neighbors while still maintaining that whole purpose of Audyssey's calibrations? Thanks for the help.
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^No, don't mess with the crossover, simply trim down the sub ch in the AVR.  More options: if you have DEQ on then turn it off as it boosts bass, or you could be sure to use DVol with it on eve or midnight to limit the overall loudness.  It also helps to isolate the sub from the floor using a SubDude or homemade equivalent. A few new AVRs have Audyssey LFC which is supposed to work great for this.


Edited by SoundofMind - 11/1/13 at 8:34am
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^No, don't mess with the crossover, simply trim down the sub ch in the AVR.  More options: if you have DEQ on then turn it off as it boosts bass, or you could be sure to use DVol with it on eve or midnight to limit the overall loudness.  It also helps to isolate the sub from the floor using a SubDude or homemade equivalent. A few new AVRs have Audyssey LFC which is supposed to work great for this.

thanks, and you mean trim it down in db level in the AVR? i have a subdude also, thanks for the help.
post #66444 of 70896

^Yes.  Then you can always easily put it right back when they go on vacation.:D 

this is from the FAQ- but in your case you'll trim down rather than up

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#user_f4

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Another option -- since the Klipsch RW-12D has a digital control panel -- is to tweak at the sub itself.

Another setting to check in the receiver is the LFE volume, most receivers allow you to attenuate the LFE directly (the big rumbly stuff) up to 10dB or more.
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Originally Posted by soundlovr View Post

We strongly recommend against holding the microphone in your hand because this can give rise to low frequency handling noise that will cause the MultEQ filters to compensate by cutting those frequencies.

Can you expand on this? It would seem to me that any "low frequency handling noise" picked up by the mic would be due to fidgeting, and an inability to keep the mic metaphorically glued to your hand. I have been running Audyssey with the mic in my hand and I hold it perfectly still, in the listening spot, for the entire setup, and I make sure the cord isn't moving around.. I don't seem to have any problems, and the low frequency sound I get after running setup doesn't seem skewed in any way.. I don't see how holding the mic with your hand would present any audible issues as long as you keep still like a statue and make sure your body isn't occupying any area between the mic and the speakers.

The only tripod I have is a full-size pro video tripod and it's too big a hassle to try and set one of those up on the seat of a couch with the tripod head at the exact height and position it needs to be at. I don't know if it's even possible to get the mic down in the right spot w/ my tripod because the legs may be too long even after collapsing them all the way.
Edited by gts007 - 11/1/13 at 10:55am
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hey guys! when i go into audio adjust on my marantz sr5007, under audyssey settings, it should have dynamic EQ, reference offset and dynamic volume but all i'm getting is MultEQ off or manual
I use to get these settings but now they are gone!
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Originally Posted by soundlovr View Post

We strongly recommend against holding the microphone in your hand because this can give rise to low frequency handling noise that will cause the MultEQ filters to compensate by cutting those frequencies.

Can you expand on this? It would seem to me that any "low frequency handling noise" picked up by the mic would be due to fidgeting, and an inability to keep the mic metaphorically glued to your hand. I have been running Audyssey with the mic in my hand and I hold it perfectly still, in the listening spot, for the entire setup, and I make sure the cord isn't moving around.. I don't seem to have any problems, and the low frequency sound I get after running setup doesn't seem skewed in any way.. I don't see how holding the mic with your hand would present any audible issues as long as you keep still like a statue and make sure your body isn't occupying any area between the mic and the speakers.

The only tripod I have is a full-size pro video tripod and it's too big a hassle to try and set one of those up on the seat of a couch with the tripod head at the exact height and position it needs to be at. I don't know if it's even possible to get the mic down in the right spot w/ my tripod because the legs may be too long even after collapsing them all the way.

 

It is absolutely not recommended to hold the mic in your hand, period. The resulting calibration cannot be guaranteed to be even approaching good. Yo can buy a boom mic stand for less than 20 dollars, which makes it much easier to do the calibration and gives a reliable result.

 

More information here:

 

d)1.   Do I really need to put the Audyssey mic on a tripod or stand?

 

Of course, you are free to do the calibration any way you choose - but if you encounter any problems you won't get any support here because the first thing people will tell you to do is use a mic stand or a tripod. Entirely up to you how you do it, but it's anyone's guess if you are even getting close to a good calibration when you hand-hold the mic.

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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

hey guys! when i go into audio adjust on my marantz sr5007, under audyssey settings, it should have dynamic EQ, reference offset and dynamic volume but all i'm getting is MultEQ off or manual
I use to get these settings but now they are gone!

That means your Audyssey calibration has been wiped out. You either need to recalibrate or load the saved config if you saved it to a networked PC.
post #66450 of 70896
thanks alot. don't know how that happened though
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