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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Kal, seeing as you've had the opportunity to listen to and test a wider variety of options than most, what were your particular standouts for REQ and how do they compare to XT32?


Anything out there available at close to the pricepoint that XT32 is available at, as well as at any pricepoint that you personally preferred?



Max
I think the XT32 is the most effective automatic EQ I have used.  ARC was comparable to XT when I compared them and I do not know what improvements have been made to ARC since then.  I also found RoomPerfect to be excellent but it comes on >$10K prepros.  There are manual EQ systems which are excellent but they demand more hardware, skill and effort.

(I have not used MCACC, EMOQ (both versions) or SONY.  I was not impressed with EZ-SET but I used it only on a stereo rig.  I am now reviewing a prepro with YPAO and I will withhold comment until my review is published.)
Good to know that XT32 is a great deal at the available pricepoints.

How do you personally find the resulting performance of XT32, RoomPerfect, Trinnov and Dirac compare with price taken out of the equation?


Max
post #67772 of 70896
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

Well for me, I'm using powered speakers with long cable runs and the speakers only have balanced XLR inputs. That and using powered speakers, I have no reason to have an AVR with an amplifier in it that will never be used.

Never say never. smile.gif You can always use RCA to XLR if the pre does not have XLR connections. I have done this and it wrks as good as any connection.
I looked at powered speakers and I am still interested. What are you using? Do you use 5.1, 7.1 or more.
post #67773 of 70896
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post


I have a buzz out of the pre-outs on my Denon 4311 that is particularly annoying because my speakers are highly sensitive at 101 dB. I cannot figure out what's causing it. It measures with a peak centered at 500 Hz. Whether it is the fault of the RCA pre-outs I don't know for sure, but my amp is strictly XLR inputs and they are simply a superior design and connection IMO. It seems I never hear of buzz with balanced XLR pre-outs, only with RCA's (I know my little world experience doesn't mean it's true tongue.gif)

So I don't NEED XLR's, but I have reasons why I do want them biggrin.gif.

From all I read XLR mayt or may not be superior. Seems like all components need to be balanced to achieve superiority. None the less, I still like the connectors better. I use RCA to XLR only because the XLR in the amp seems stronger. Like you, I want them more than I need them. smile.gif
Have you tried RCA to XLR? It may be of no benefit but it is an inexpensive experiment. Good luck with curing the buzz.
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

Never say never. smile.gif You can always use RCA to XLR if the pre does not have XLR connections. I have done this and it wrks as good as any connection.
I looked at powered speakers and I am still interested. What are you using? Do you use 5.1, 7.1 or more.

I have the RCA to XLR adaptors and used them on my old Marantz receiver while I was waiting for my Integra DHC-80.3 to come in. I'm using the Seaton Sound Catalyst 12C's and Submersive HP subwoofers.
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

I have the RCA to XLR adaptors and used them on my old Marantz receiver while I was waiting for my Integra DHC-80.3 to come in. I'm using the Seaton Sound Catalyst 12C's and Submersive HP subwoofers.

Speakers are the problem. I will take them off your hand and pay shipping. smile.gifsmile.gif
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Speakers are the problem. I will take them off your hand and pay shipping. smile.gifsmile.gif

Gee, you'd do that for me???


Lmao! tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Good to know that XT32 is a great deal at the available pricepoints.

How do you personally find the resulting performance of XT32, RoomPerfect, Trinnov and Dirac compare with price taken out of the equation?


Max
Of these, all I can say is that Trinnov is superior. I will be writing about Dirac and DEQX shortly.
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^^ Re Dirac, the Datasat implementation, the RCS Suite for HTPC, or the rumored DL2 runtime box?
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Good to know that XT32 is a great deal at the available pricepoints.

How do you personally find the resulting performance of XT32, RoomPerfect, Trinnov and Dirac compare with price taken out of the equation?


Max
Of these, all I can say is that Trinnov is superior. I will be writing about Dirac and DEQX shortly.
I look forward to reading about your impressions on those options.


Max
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post
 
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Good to know that XT32 is a great deal at the available pricepoints.

How do you personally find the resulting performance of XT32, RoomPerfect, Trinnov and Dirac compare with price taken out of the equation?


Max
Of these, all I can say is that Trinnov is superior. I will be writing about Dirac and DEQX shortly.
I look forward to reading about your impressions on those options.


Max

 

+1.

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Originally Posted by darthray View Post
 

My advice would be to wait until the Bank of Dad account has recovered and buy an XT32 unit. XT32 is so far ahead of XT that I can't, personally, honestly recommend anything else these days.  There is unlikely to be anything in the AV7701 that is sonically significantly better than the 886. I doubt you’d notice any differences if you blind tested them, but I’d eat my hat without ketchup and a beer if you failed to notice the difference between XT and XT32.

Thank you for bringing me back on the path to reson.
You are right, I better off to wait a little and don't hear in my head "what if".

Ray

 

:)  I am close to 100% sure as I can be that the two XT units would be so similar as to be a waste of money for you. I am 100% sure that XT32 is substantially superior to XT though.  Just tell the kids that the Bank of Dad is temporarily closed and go for an XT32 unit when finances permit... you will not regret that move. :)

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Here's an affordable product that uses "Trinnov"

http://www.ada.net/products/ht/cinema-reference-mach-IV.php
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

Here's an affordable product that uses "Trinnov"

http://www.ada.net/products/ht/cinema-reference-mach-IV.php

* Clicked in anticipation
* Liked what I saw
* Couldn't believe the "affordable" part
* Googled the price
* Firmly back on earth pressed [X]
* Reads on, while weeping
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

Here's an affordable product that uses "Trinnov"

http://www.ada.net/products/ht/cinema-reference-mach-IV.php



Beautiful piece. For only $40,000 I believe you could control time and space with that pre eek.gif
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

...I believe you could control time and space with that pre eek.gif
Time/space alteration is a sub-menu within the re-mapping function.
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Hi all,

I just got my X4000 in and I'm looking over the FAQ while waiting for my Boom Stand to arrive. I'm reading through the FAQ but I have a question about Mic placement. Since my 'main' position is the right most cushion on couch 1 and with a 2 couch L layout, I'm not sure where I should put the 8 positions. I was thinking 4 spots on each couch leaning towards the middle of the room? Any suggestions?

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01


Thanks!
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Originally Posted by RUR View Post

Time/space alteration is a sub-menu within the re-mapping function.



Lol!
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Originally Posted by Warder45 View Post

Hi all,

I just got my X4000 in and I'm looking over the FAQ while waiting for my Boom Stand to arrive. I'm reading through the FAQ but I have a question about Mic placement. Since my 'main' position is the right most cushion on couch 1 and with a 2 couch L layout, I'm not sure where I should put the 8 positions. I was thinking 4 spots on each couch leaning towards the middle of the room? Any suggestions?

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01


Thanks!



Congrats on your Denon! Is there any way you can center your setup on either the short wall to the left or right of your room? I don't have any experience with corner placement but I think you have to be getting some odd reflections.
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quick question since I have heard differnt from two very good sources which is correct


Audyssey XT32 first THEN tweak sub with minidsp?

or miniDSP (wih no audyssey) THEN run XT32

which is correct? the thought is run audyssey and then fine tune its results with minidsp...or get the bass response as flat as possible to allow XT32 to make less corresctions
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Congrats on your Denon! Is there any way you can center your setup on either the short wall to the left or right of your room? I don't have any experience with corner placement but I think you have to be getting some odd reflections.

Unfortunately I'm not able to move my setup, the right wall is all closets with doors and the rest of the room is all windows and using the corner allows for the least blocked windows.
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Originally Posted by Warder45 View Post

Unfortunately I'm not able to move my setup, the right wall is all closets with doors and the rest of the room is all windows and using the corner allows for the least blocked windows.



I understand. I'm an Audyssey beginner and I'm not familiar with corner placement, it looks challenging. I'd pull your mains away from the walls as far as I could. As far as mic position one of the guys will guide you I'm sure smile.gif
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Originally Posted by RUR View Post

Time/space alteration is a sub-menu within the re-mapping function.

Not too far from the truth LOL...
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Originally Posted by sdrucker View Post

^^ Re Dirac, the Datasat implementation, the RCS Suite for HTPC, or the rumored DL2 runtime box?

#2

post #67794 of 70896
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

quick question since I have heard differnt from two very good sources which is correct


Audyssey XT32 first THEN tweak sub with minidsp?

or miniDSP (wih no audyssey) THEN run XT32

which is correct? the thought is run audyssey and then fine tune its results with minidsp...or get the bass response as flat as possible to allow XT32 to make less corresctions

I would run XT32 first but with the miniDSP in circuit but without any filters implemented.  Follow that with REW measurements/calculations through XT32 to tweak the results with miniDSP.

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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

quick question since I have heard differnt from two very good sources which is correct


Audyssey XT32 first THEN tweak sub with minidsp?

or miniDSP (wih no audyssey) THEN run XT32

which is correct? the thought is run audyssey and then fine tune its results with minidsp...or get the bass response as flat as possible to allow XT32 to make less corresctions

The answer lies with what problems need correcting.

Why do you have a minidsp? That will help determine the order.

I optimize with the minidsp in place because there are situations and problems Audyssey has no hope of correcting and will throw its resources at in vain.

For example, phase corrections with multiple subs and required high pass or low pass filters used during optimization need to be in place prior to the Audyssey calibration IMO.
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

The answer lies with what problems need correcting.

Why do you have a minidsp? That will help determine the order.

I optimize with the minidsp in place because there are situations and problems Audyssey has no hope of correcting and will throw its resources at in vain.

For example, phase corrections with multiple subs and required high pass or low pass filters used during optimization need to be in place prior to the Audyssey calibration IMO.

never thought of it that way.

I initially got the minidsp because I had multiEQ XT and needed additional smoothing...so since i have gone to XT32...I might not even need the minidsp for smoothing! but more possible to tweak phase etc.

thanks for the insight

looks like I will be going with XT32 first, then run the minidsp if still needed
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

quick question since I have heard differnt from two very good sources which is correct


Audyssey XT32 first THEN tweak sub with minidsp?

or miniDSP (wih no audyssey) THEN run XT32

which is correct? the thought is run audyssey and then fine tune its results with minidsp...or get the bass response as flat as possible to allow XT32 to make less corresctions

If your sub's native response (no eQ) is drastically off from a relatively flat response, you might get by with a filter or two before xt32, but nothing major. In general if you have proper sub placement and a relatively good response to start with, then let xt32 do its thing and then only some small eq filters should even be required.
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

Balanced pre-outs. It's the only reason I'm going separates
That as a '1', and you could also add:
2) Separate power supplies lower the potential noise floor.
3) Drives an external power amplifier that can provide the headroom and dynamics necessary for reproducing loss-less music and movie soundtracks without distortion at realistic volumes, (AVRs simply can't compete here, and this is the biggest and best reason for me...).
4) Flexibility for switching out one component without having to switch out the other.

Probably some other things that I can't think of off the top of my head right now, but since this is an Audyssey thread,...
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

quick question since I have heard differnt from two very good sources which is correct


Audyssey XT32 first THEN tweak sub with minidsp?

or miniDSP (wih no audyssey) THEN run XT32

which is correct? the thought is run audyssey and then fine tune its results with minidsp...or get the bass response as flat as possible to allow XT32 to make less corresctions

If your sub's native response (no eQ) is drastically off from a relatively flat response, you might get by with a filter or two before xt32, but nothing major. In general if you have proper sub placement and a relatively good response to start with, then let xt32 do its thing and then only some small eq filters should even be required.

 

There can be a scenario where a room issue causes a huge spike in response which is way too much for XT32 to tame. In those circs, using additional  EQ first would then help XT32 when it is run. There's no definitive answer IMO as to whether additional EQ should be run before or after Audyssey - it will depend on the objective.  Mark Seaton and Craig John did exactly what I have just described for a member's system when incorporating a Submersive into the system, with a fabulous result.

 

BTW, talking of Mark, he is the guest on the next Home Theatre Geeks podcast/Youtube video - a full hour of Mark answering questions on subs and bass - worth downloading IMO.

post #67800 of 70896
Keith,

Thanks for the heads-up on the following!

"BTW, talking of Mark, he is the guest on the next Home Theatre Geeks podcast/Youtube video - a full hour of Mark answering questions on subs and bass - worth downloading IMO"

Also being in the Chicago area ; I have run into Mark several times - this should be a good one!
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