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Audyssey FAQ and New User '101' Help & Setup Guide
Last edited: 1/20/13
"Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779) - Page 2326
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Thanks!, should I then change the fronts and center to small as we'll? I am using paradigm reference towers for the front. I set the rear and surround in ceilings cross over at 80 and made them small
Yes - change all speakers to small - then start with crossovers at 80hz for all speakers and see how that sounds
I had the exact same problem, try setting all surrounds to 80 or 100hz
I wasn't sure if I should post here or the Marantz thread..But it is an Audyssey XT32 question.. I installed my new SR7008 this weekend and did a quick run through w/ Audyssey.. After doing it I was given the option to save my readings which I did.
Tonight I did a more thorough calibration, but after it was completed I was not asked to save.
Were my readings automatically saved..? Overriding the older readings..
And yes I am very much a rookie at this..
I recently got an Denon X4000 and ran the Audyssey XT32 setup, I followed all the instructions in this thread and Audyssey seems to set my subwoofer volume very low. I let Audyssey do the subwoofer level matching and I set my subs to show 75-76db prior to the start of the calibration. However after the auto calibration Audyssey sets my subwoofer to -6.0db, I noticed the bass was lower than what I was used to so I used my Radio Shack analog SPL meter (I know this is probably less accurate than the Audyssey mic) and used to the Disney WOW disc to check my levels and the sub was about 5db off from the rest of my speakers. Once I bump the sub back up +5db, the bass is now at a good level. I re-ran the Audyssey about 3-4 times with the same result for the sub. Is it this OK to bump the sub level up or should I stick with what Audyssey calibrated it at?
Fwiw, I found I was running my subs pretty hot prior to running Audyssey and thought the same thing---I then took some time with the lower SPL on the sub and found there were things I was missing from my other speakers and feel the sound is cleaner at loud volume. Insofar as measuring the low end with an SPL meter--There used to be a chart on how to calculate the correct number with a rat shack meter but I'm not sure where it is....That said, if you prefer more bass then go ahead and turn up the gain.
Also be aware that the Radio Shack SPL meter is not particularly accurate for setting subwoofer volume.
The standard response is that you are probably not used to the smooth, "flat" bass of a properly calibrated setup, and you have grown fond of the lumps and bumps in the bass in your room and the removal of those makes the bass sound anemic in comparison. Most would recommend that you (after ensuring proper bass management settings) let it sit as is for a week or two before making any adjustments to get used to the calibrated setting. Play some good reference Blu-rays, action flicks with good bass. Then, after you have gotten adjusted, feel free to tweak the subs to taste. Many people prefer to bump the subs a few dB after calibration so you aren't alone.
Really good coverage by others so far. Here's a bit of my field experience with bass after Audyssey setup.
1. I always have DynEQ on.
2. Audyssey also set my sub to -6 dB as in your case.
3. For film I always leave it "as is".
4. For music I need to increase a few dBs depending on the recording. Newer releases need less, some oldies needed more. YMMV. Enjoy!
Thanks for your responses guys. I did set my speakers back to "small" and adjust all the crossovers for each speaker, I also turned off both Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume before doing any listening. I just found it a little odd that during pre-setup, the Audyssey subwoofer level matching made me adjust my sub to reach the 75-76db level using its own Audyssey mic but then after the auto-setup it would just cut it down 6-db. I will do some listening over the next few days as you guys suggested with the lowered bass and go from there.
Matthew, please don't be discurraged by a negative number. It's just a relative number, not a negative effect. Please note, Denon engineers gave MultEQ an allowance of +/- 12 dBs within the whole gain structure of the AVR to set speaker and sub trims for reaching cinema reference level SPL (Sound Pressure Level) at the MLP (Main Listening Position). This means that after setup when you turn up the MV (Master Volume) to 0 dB you will hear the movie just as loud as you would hear it at your local movie theater (well, provided your speakers + subs are capable to handle such high power free of distortion, but that's another story).That's 24 dB !! all together, where the exact trim depends on various things like distance from speaker to MLP, room size, speaker efficiency, etc.).
I would also encourage you to keep DynEQ on all time. It will help restore spectral balance of loudness percieved by our ears at any given volume level. The more you turn up the MV the less compensation DynEQ will apply to lows and highs and finally at 0 dB MV DynEQ will automatically turn itself off (this in a nutshelll.)
Dynamic Volume is a convenience feature, user may turn it on/off basically for late night movie watching without disturbung neighbours or other family members. Also tames abnormally loud commercials.
Hope this helps! Enjoy!
Edited by mogorf - 2/11/14 at 7:32am
I...think she just defeated me.
I don't use the "B" speakers unless I am listening to a rock concert or something else that needs more bass reinforcement. My "B" speakers are 6 cu.ft. cabinets with 15" woofers and 12" passive radiators along with some mid and high freq. drivers. I don't have them activated for general movie / television watching since they are more efficient than my matched surround system and mess up the imaging.
I want to make sure that the "B" channels are treated as Full Band with no bass management. However, I'm suspecting that when I run the Audyssey cal for the "A" system, since the front spkrs are Small, the bass management may be being applied to all of the front L/R main channels (including "B"). If I set the front mains to Large, then the smaller "A" spkrs will be getting the lower bass signals that they can't reproduce.
Audyssey gives me the option of which front speakers to use during the calibration (A, B, or A+B) since I have the Amp assign set to "7.1 + Front B". If I select A+B, obviously the calibration is invalid if I switch to only the "A"s for general listening. If I select A or B, then the calibration is only valid for the chosen set.
What are my options for calibrating the "A" system and allowing the "B"s to run Full Band? Thanks.
Is there anything on the radar or rumor mill re the next upgrade beyond XT32. I have an XT amp and was thinking of upgrading to one sporting xt32 but obviously would be interested if there was XT64 or whatever on the horizon?
If you haven't already, please look through the Audyssey 101/FAQ at http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-51779/51750#post_21782993
It has entries specific to some of the questions you've asked.
e.g. http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-51779/51750#user_f5 (Where has my bass gone)
By request, the FAQ has been updated with the following new section:
- "Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)
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