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post #31 of 64
I would pay extra for artwork, as long as it didn't affect playback at all.
post #32 of 64
OK, bit more data and another question. Looks like the suitable ink can only be applied in one color. And it was thought that consumers don't want single color artwork. So what is the interest level in single color? Obviously, it could have the name of the movie and such. Would this solve most of the issues people have?
post #33 of 64
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

OK, bit more data and another question. Looks like the suitable ink can only be applied in one color. And it was thought that consumers don't want single color artwork. So what is the interest level in single color? Obviously, it could have the name of the movie and such. Would this solve most of the issues people have?

It would solve mine. It bothers me that the current combos look kind of like old cd-rs.

All I really need is the name of the movie on one side. Preferably the SD "disc area side"

I think that it would also throw in a certain "coolness" factor into the combo discs
post #34 of 64
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

OK, bit more data and another question. Looks like the suitable ink can only be applied in one color. And it was thought that consumers don't want single color artwork. So what is the interest level in single color? Obviously, it could have the name of the movie and such. Would this solve most of the issues people have?

You guy can try it with a release and we'll let you know what we think. Or perhaps you can show a pic of a finshed disc.

If it's one color; Red please. Isn't that sort of the official HD DVD color anyway?

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Originally Posted by laserguns View Post

All I really need is the name of the movie on one side. Preferably the SD "disc area side"

I'd prefer it on the HD DVD side, plus, I'd like to be able to see the label as I'm putting the movie in and out of the player. SD-side defeats the purpose of the label since logically one would place the disc in the player with the label side up. With average consumers, this would create confusion when they play the SD side thinking it's the HD side.
post #35 of 64
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Originally Posted by eightninesuited View Post

I'd prefer it on the HD DVD side, plus, I'd like to be able to see the label as I'm putting the movie in and out of the player. SD-side defeats the purpose of the label since logically one would place the disc in the player with the label side up. With average consumers, this would create confusion when they play the SD side thinking it's the HD side.

thats what I meant by SD "disc area side" - it would be just like a regular HD-DVD then. It's kind of hard to explain.

I would want the disc area side that I am not going to use (the SD disc area side) to have the writing on it.

In other words, we want the same thing, it's just hard to explain without confusing someone
post #36 of 64
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Originally Posted by laserguns View Post

thats what I meant by SD "disc area side" - it would be just like a regular HD-DVD then. It's kind of hard to explain.

I would want the disc area side that I am not going to use (the SD disc area side) to have the writing on it.

In other words, we want the same thing, it's just hard to explain without confusing someone

Oh, ok I get it. You want artwork on the side where there's the ring telling you "HD DVD this side up" = the SD side. Gotcha. Sorry, I misunderstood.
post #37 of 64
That's my biggest issue. I have a hard time telling which side is HD vs SD. Everytime I load a disc I gotta get right back up and flip it over. I may be stupid but is there an easier way to tell them apart?
post #38 of 64
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

OK, bit more data and another question. Looks like the suitable ink can only be applied in one color. And it was thought that consumers don't want single color artwork. So what is the interest level in single color? Obviously, it could have the name of the movie and such. Would this solve most of the issues people have?

should a new thread be started on this?
post #39 of 64
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Originally Posted by laserguns View Post

It would solve mine. It bothers me that the current combos look kind of like old cd-rs.

All I really need is the name of the movie on one side. Preferably the SD "disc area side"

I think that it would also throw in a certain "coolness" factor into the combo discs

Agreed. If it was just the name and printed on the SD side, I would pay a little more for it.
post #40 of 64
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

That's my biggest issue. I have a hard time telling which side is HD vs SD. Everytime I load a disc I gotta get right back up and flip it over. I may be stupid but is there an easier way to tell them apart?

I use a superfine-point marker and write "HD" in the centre-hub area. If I can read the writing, then it's the HD side, if the writing is reversed, then it's the SD side.
post #41 of 64
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I use a superfine-point marker and write "HD" in the centre-hub area. If I can read the writing, then it's the HD side, if the writing is reversed, then it's the SD side.

Sharpie deployed...
post #42 of 64
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Originally Posted by laserguns View Post

should a new thread be started on this?

That's probably a good idea. Let me see if I can learn a bit more first, eg. if grayscale is allowed or it is just on and off color. Then we can start the poll.
post #43 of 64
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

That's probably a good idea. Let me see if I can learn a bit more first, eg. if grayscale is allowed or it is just on and off color. Then we can start the poll.

awesome.
post #44 of 64
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

As I mentioned, I don't know the cost premium yet but am trying to find out. So please keep the feedback coming.

If it were just a few cents to the end user, then wht not try it. However, if it a few cents to the replicator, which gets doubled to the studio, which gets doubled again at the distributor, which gets doubled again at the retailer, etc. then it wouldn't be worth it to me.

Combo discs are already too expensive. If you tell me it will cost $.50-$1.00 more for an already expensive combo disc, then I'm against using this type of label. The HD-DVD group needs to be working on ways to bring the costs of combos down, not up.

When it gets to the point where combos could drop $4-$5 and the manufacturer wants to sneak in the labels, and only drop the price $3-$4, well that is transparent to the end user, and might fly.
post #45 of 64
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Originally Posted by Capek View Post

Seriously, I just can't imagine caring about this issue. Obviously some people do though. It just makes me is all.

I thought HD DVD was all about improvements in audio and video..or so I thought...

Is there a special new high-resolution disc printing process on the horizon, too?...

That being said. I can imagine the laser transparent ink mentioned here might look cool...
post #46 of 64
The biggest irritation I have with Combos is that I can't tell which side is which without getting out a magnifying glass.

It's only going to be worse with Total-HD discs of multi-disc sets like Band of Brothers. How the heck are you going to tell which disc is #1, #2, etc, without peering at the tiny inner label?

Anything that would alleviate the above but not add to the cost would be welcome. As far as a color goes, should be a black or dark blue as it would have the best contrast with the disc itself.
post #47 of 64
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

OK, bit more data and another question. Looks like the suitable ink can only be applied in one color. And it was thought that consumers don't want single color artwork. So what is the interest level in single color? Obviously, it could have the name of the movie and such. Would this solve most of the issues people have?

Artwork, even in 1 color, would make the disks look much better and of course easier to identify the HD side.
post #48 of 64
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

There is a transparent ink (to laser light) that supposedly can be used for this purpose but has not been put to use. I actually asked someone on my team to search the reason why yesterday. What I hear is that they may be expensive. Would people pay a few cents to get a label?

Just wanted to resurrect an old thread from earlier this year. Any progress on the artwork part? It seems there's going to be a lot of combo releases this Q4.
post #49 of 64
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Originally Posted by Pincho View Post

I think they put Richard Gere on mine.

They put a gerbil on your HD DVD. I would clean that HD DVD as there is no telling where that gerbil has been.
post #50 of 64
I just posted to another thread about this - not having seen this one first.
I think they should just include a sticker with the disc art on it. Then the consumer simply applies it to the side they don't want - or wait until they get an HD-DVD player.


Mitch
post #51 of 64
As a Lover of Combos, if they can make them rock out with a even a Grey scale Lightscribe like labeling on the SD side (this side up like approach for HD) That would awesome.
post #52 of 64
Heres an idea that might work. Just make each side a different color plastic. The HD underside would be red and the SD underside would be black (or maybe vice-versa, its so damn confusing). The playstation had black discs for a while, and I remember getting multi-colored CDRs a while back. Seems like this might help things out using existing technology. Or they can just get the Twin format up and running. I really just hate the lack of artwork on the discs.
post #53 of 64
Anyone use Hub labels?

They go on the clear plastic, with inkjet printer you can put images, or simple HD in big red letters.
post #54 of 64
Artwork is nice and all, but hardly necessary. I don't look at the disc, I look at the picture on my tv. Artwork is not important.
post #55 of 64
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

The biggest irritation I have with Combos is that I can't tell which side is which without getting out a magnifying glass.

It's only going to be worse with Total-HD discs of multi-disc sets like Band of Brothers. How the heck are you going to tell which disc is #1, #2, etc, without peering at the tiny inner label?

Anything that would alleviate the above but not add to the cost would be welcome. As far as a color goes, should be a black or dark blue as it would have the best contrast with the disc itself.

This is easy and not a problem. The hub that has the writing is the one you want UP when watching HD. Never flip it in the case, and you never have to worry about it. Don't make it harder than it is.
post #56 of 64
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Originally Posted by bato View Post

Anyone use Hub labels?

They go on the clear plastic, with inkjet printer you can put images, or simple HD in big red letters.

Got a link for these?
post #57 of 64
Obviously Twin discs would be the way to go. If that won't fly, why not have one side of the plastic center hub be red, instead of clear? Or have it come with a very thin red film on it. Something that will make it instantly obvious which side need to be up to play the movie in HD DVD. I agree that it sucks to have to squint to read the tiny writing in the dark. And it's even worse when they print both SD and HD on the same side...This side for HD DVD other side up for SD, or whatever. Why not just say "This side up for HD", and on the other side say "This side up for SD"?
post #58 of 64
I don't understand how people have any trouble knowing which side is which. The SD side is normal DVD colored - kind of off-white, with a slight yellow tinge to it. The HD side has a VERY noticeable purple/blue tinge. There's no way to mistake them. I never look at the hub, I simply don't have to.

Not to say I like combos. I never use the SD side, and I like having artwork. It's pretty, and it means one less surface you have to worry about scratching. But it's not a huge deal.
post #59 of 64
Are Twin Discs still limited to three layers?
post #60 of 64
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by eapleitez View Post

Artwork is nice and all, but hardly necessary. I don't look at the disc, I look at the picture on my tv. Artwork is not important.

You ought to ask the millions who buy DVDs if artwork is important or not. I believe it's more important than picture quality for mass market acceptability.
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